MGTOWS Who Were Always Red Pill Kinda Guys

[KarnakParticipant 39]

A lot of MGTOWS are self-confessed converts having made Blue Pill mistakes their whole lives. I’m interested in hearing from those who, like me, are MGTOW but ‘were always Red Pill kinda guys’ and why they are now MGTOWs.

An edited version of my post in introductions to give you my background:

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My story then. I’m 47 and going through a divorce after a five year marriage. It’ll be fine, no financial repercussions, no kids, and I’m looking forward to being on my own and escaping the complaints, pressure, disappointment and the slow death of mutual trust that characterised the last year of my marriage. I have mixed feelings towards my soon-to-be-ex-wife now, but I agree the relationship is dead. Moving on.

I was never a Blue Pill guy. Maybe when I was 15 and had no experience. But I hit 17, my looks developed and I got a ‘rock’ look and suddenly the girls were throwing themselves at me. I was naturally ‘c~~~y and funny,’ I think I had good role models for that in my family, so it seemed normal; and Sam Malone had always been a hero of mine, so I wanted to be a pick-up guy too. I was not afraid to approach, mainly in clubs and gigs, but anywhere – I once picked up a girl in a shoe shop for example, and we were f~~~ing very soon after. She ‘didn’t normally do that sort of thing.’ Sure. So I got that hot women wanted sex. I could imagine what a hot woman must find dull in most men, and how her life experience as a hot woman would affect her compared to an average-looking women, and so what turned her on instead. I noted that having a bad rep just caused the line of women to get longer. I had a number of often long term relationships, the longest was nine years, and sometimes I was single with a bunch of f~~~ buddies and having one night stands. Sometimes I was single and getting nothing.

Around my late twenties I decided to not be such a selfish asshole (I think maybe I caught ‘guilt’ off my ex-Catholic partner), but noticed this didn’t get genuine approval from women – or rather they couldn’t help but take my kindness for weakness. Still, I wanted to be a decent human being anyway. And 20 years of trying to be a decent human being later, I note that kindness gets taken for weakness a hell of a lot. ‘What do you want from a woman’, I’d often advise guys, ‘a pat on the head or a mouth round your c~~~?’ I did my best to educate men, first male friends then on the internet, out of being ignored or used and abused by women and become confident and attractive and happier, although it meant they needed to accept some harsh truths about women and knock them off that pedestal. And of course most did not want to hear.

But my life has also had its share of terribly weak ‘AFC’ behaviour, when I was heartbroken or too deep in a relationship to realise I’d become too passive or eager to please. That s~~~ can snowball. Ideally both people in a relationship should be eager to please, but we don’t live in that ideal world now do we. On the whole I’m not that bitter about women, just disappointed that the good ones – and I have had relationships with good ones – are so f~~~ing rare. Or maybe there was always something damaged in me (I’m adopted), so that helped me be an attractive asshole but also means deep down maybe I’m not surprised how things worked out – all things move towards their end. And yeah, modern women don’t seem to want to ever settle down. A few years out to raise some kids and then they want to party again. I’m sick of it, and that seems natural for a lot of men at 47.
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So I have had lots of relationships with ‘NAWALTs’ – maybe because they were attracted to my backbone, I passed s~~~ tests and they passed my stringent requirements. I haven’t come out of many relationships bitter or angry that the woman i was seeing was controlling or manipulative, most have cooked for me and weren’t after my money (I’ve often had very little money), and often would spend money on me. I think there are maybe more of these types of women in the UK than North America? That might be a factor. Or if you’re a Red Pill kinda Guy, you can pick the women who are worth having relationships with.

But still I’m looking to go MGTOw – or maybe a ‘purple pill MGTOW’ because I’m not sure I’m ruling out relationships in the future. But right now, I don’t want a woman because my libido has gone and I also think relationships always seem to involve compromise to some extent, and rather than put effort into standing my ground and saying I’m not interested in compromising, I’ll just avoid relationships. If I want to not bathe for a week, I won’t. I’ll have the whole bed to myself. Etc.

So back to the topic: I’ve seen a few posts here or elsewhere on the internet from MGTOWS here who say they were pretty successful with women, are not reformed Blue Pill guys, but are still attracted to the MGTOW philosophy. I’d like to hear from them and for them to share their reasons for identifying with MGTOW.

Cheers.

[BurgundyParticipant 1525]

The fact you were married with children, kinda destroys your “was always red pill kinda guy”, at least in my book.

Lets be honest, at some point in time, every man had one aspect, which was shaped in blue pill, while other views were quite red pill.

Put it this way, before finding MGTOW, most men were purple pill, they knew something was completely way off, but accepted certain aspects, which would vary a lot compared to another purple pill, not yet woken, MGTOW.

It was first after enough purple pill men gathered, and started discussing each subject, were they able to extract each specific colour from another, and determine which subject had blue pill or red pill at it’s core, and could as such discard it.

Before finding MGTOW, I had been pretty red pill in many aspects, but I still had certain subjects, which would deem myself as blue pill in them, so I was purple pill in it all combined, I wasn’t interested in dating or marriage of any kind, and used equality as a joke against women, when they demanded certain things from me, it was first, after finding certain youtube videos, it all started spiralling into a more concentrated red pill mass, and solidified once I found this site, as we find men of equal questions, or more questions, we ourselves never really thought about.

Being red pill, is seeing the chains, the locked doors, the traps, the mines, who has the keys, and who can easily throw you in a cage.

Hard to call oneself red pill, if you, by own admission, walk inside a locked door, whom you may never get out of, over fields of minefields, where you might step on one, and let yourself put on a shackle, knowing full well, you do not have the key to unlock again.

[RoyDalParticipant]

I always had a fear of marriage, from the earliest age I can remember thinking about it seriously. This is pretty much red pill in my book.

From my teen years on, I had a strong urge to get laid, and I had a corresponding strong urge to attract high-status mates. This is as blue pill as it gets without signing marriage contracts.

The blue pill in me wore off with time and hard-won experience; the red pill in me just got bigger and stronger.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[KarnakParticipant 39]

I was never married with kids. I have no children. The marriage was a necessity so my gf could stay in the country, and if you think that means I was played, rest assured I got equal benefits from the arrangement, which I won’t go into. I didn’t get married out of some romantic delusion, it was a well thought out decision based on mutual advantages and no risk on my behalf, which is how I can walk away with a divorce and no alimony, loss of assets etc. Just to set the record straight there.

I have admitted that at certain times I’ve thought like a Blue Pill guy, but these have been very rare, when I lost my b~~~~ for some reason. A specific, I had a really hot woman I was seeing, a model, and I enjoyed the sex we were having, and there was no commitment. The reason I kept her interest was because I always kept her at a certain distance and it worked. However in an attempt to have me all to herself she declared her love and wanted a relationship. She cried and I fell for her tears and said ok. Predictably she soon lost interest having ‘won’ me, but I suddenly had lots of feelings for her that I didn’t have previously, and got hurt when she cut me off. I consider that a kinda Blue Pill mistake.

Another time I gave into someone I was seeing’s demands I cut off contact with an ex. I should have said no, I don’t want to, it’s no threat to our relationship. But I crumbled under constant pressure. Again, a Blue Pill kinda decision, I thought compromising and trying to please her was the right thing to do, when sticking to my principles should’ve been.

I’m 47 and have had numerous relationships, long term and just f~~~ buddy arrangements. The times I made such mistakes stick out in my memory is that they are quite rare over the course of my relationship (again i’m using the word ‘relationship’ in a loose sense) history. I can’t really recall many other examples other than the two I just gave.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

I was a total blue pill man, when everybody was blue pill and proud of it. Just watch old “I Love Lucy” episodes. Although, the “Honey Mooners” was a little bit more realistic in it’s portrait of true marriage. The power struggles and compromise that are required. He used to threaten to hit her all the time. The husband, Jackie Gleason used to say “I’m going to hit you Alice, bang zoom to the moon!” and he’d point out the window. It was the hilarious hit of it’s comedy era.

Born in 1960, I’m 55 today and was raised at the tail end of when women that stayed married forever. The next few years women didn’t want a man to depend on they wanted to do it all on their own.

Women of my generation could be broken down into two groups. Women who wanted to be taken care of traditional…she retires when kids are born…way. And women who hated men and wanted a job so that once they dump the bum they would have their own income.

Incidentally this didn’t work out as the law of unintended consequences bit the feminists on the butt as dumping your man means that you must man your cubical for the rest of your loothesome life. They didn’t think that one through.

So I saw what it was like and lifelong commitment without the possibility of divorce was truly a life sentence. No matter how nasty or fat or unsexual she becomes there was no out. My first wife was like that. There would never be divorce for us according to her so she could treat me like s~~~ all the time and I would have to accept it.

I was a good blue piller, I would never leave her so one day she kicked me out. Now I was released from my bonds.

I ran I didn’t walk. She begged me to get back together but I was turning to the purple pill at this point.

My second wife was much more modern. She had a job, one she retired from when the baby came, but at least she had one before the bundle of joy. She accepted that they would ask her to start working after the divorce was over.

The sexual revolution helped men more than woman.

Men used to kinda have to get married. Now with the sexual revolution that is not necessary or even requested by females.

MGTOW became a workable lifestyle. Opening up of MGTOW has been such a financial windfall for those that have gone their own way.

You can always follow the money. There’s way more money for men who go their own way and little to no downside.

Yes, you have to give up on your romantic unicorn fantasy, but in the end you will have a lot more emotional and financial success.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[KeithParticipant 482]

I never took any “pills” of any color. My attitude, self-image and independence are now and always have been part of my genetic code I do suppose.

Just a supposition on my part.

ONCE UPON A TIME there was a man who never found a wife and he lived happily ever after. The End.

[Anonymous 11]

I don’t think it’s possible to be totally red pill from birth.

Red pill is the natural reaction from getting ass reamed one time too many. The best Chads I know are blue pill as hell. My red pill state was forced upon me by corporatist pigs and 30+ years of dealing with women.

Even in my blue pill days, I had boundaries and was very suspicious of marriage. Many MGTOWs are rationals and come to logical conclusions naturally.

I think Keith is right about a man’s natural disposition. Some men are born to be slaves in Female Led Relationships while others are savvy enough to navigate the shoals.

[KarnakParticipant 39]

Anonymous wrote:

I don’t think it’s possible to be totally red pill from birth.

I mentioned my being adopted. Think about it, if you are adopted your ‘primal wound’ was abandonment – by a woman. You may grow up in a loving environment and have an urge to fix something by reuniting with that birth mother, that was my story. But as well as (in my case) growing up with male role models who were not manginas, you know on a very deep personal level not to trust ‘woman’ – you know they are not perfect, whatever the reason they gave you up, it proves that life is not a fairy tale. What was natural for me was to not put women on a pedestal, to see through BS rom-coms, to see red flags regarding control or manipulation. I have massive authority issues that make me kick back at any attempt to be submissive – hell, I score highly on the checklist for sociopathy. Not proud of that, but its a fact. But I’m not a sociopath because I don’t score quite highly enough. I mention all this as potential reasons that while I have now found MGTOW and realised it coincides with much of the way I have always thought, in my case it seems nature and nurture conspired to shape me as a natural ‘red pill kinda guy.’

[Anonymous 11]

Karnak wrote:

male role models who were not manginas,

Good point, my dad was the anti-mangina. His influence was why I would never allow a woman to fully control me even though I was an idiot in many areas.

I too will never submit to anyone. When I was a child, modern feminism was being forced down our throats. I rejected it naturally which is why GS is my avatar.

My biggest mistakes were thinking there was a NAWALT out there for me and being naive about just how conniving women really are.

I agree some men are more resistant. Red Pill is a progression. I will always strive for Red Pill perfection.

[KarnakParticipant 39]

My uncle, almost like a second father to me growing up, he went MGTOW after his divorce when I was a kid. Never had a serious relationship again, although my mother says he didn’t go completely without female interaction. But basically he lived on his own for all of his lie following his divorce, had his two kids at the weekends, happy with his access, and his ex never made things difficult. But what I noted was he had a happy, full life without being with a woman or looking for another. I never talked to him about it, but I know he was a very strong-willed independent person who wasn’t unhappy being a man who went his own way. He could handle social situations fine, he had fun with people, and he did what he wanted and didn’t care what people thought. He was probably my most important role model for masculinity, and it happened that he also lived his life without a need for women in it. I was lucky there I guess.

[Mango IngawayParticipant 2264]

I’ve never really bought into the “you have to chase girls” narrative.
It always made me go “But why?”.
Not gonna waste my time chasing people who don’t give a f~~~ about me, be it males or females.
It’s 50/50 or f~~~ off!

It is a common failing of childhood to think that if one makes a hero out of a demon the demon will be satisfied.

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