MGTOW’s Societal Impact

[AvidAvariceParticipant 223]

I haven’t studied economics extensively, but I do see something that doesn’t seem to add up to me:

There seems to be a common criticism among MGTOW detractors – they state that men checking out and not fulfilling their role as wage slaves for women will spell the end of society. In a similar vein, I see some MGTOW actually want a collapse to occur, and see MGTOW as a way of accelerating the collapse. From what I’ve observed about fellow MGTOW men though, I don’t think men checking out will actually lead to any sort of collapse.
The main reason is due to the fact that MGTOW men still work, build and create, and still produce economic value. Most detractors think MGTOW will spell the end of civilization because they just assume we’re all basement-dwelling, neckbearded neanderthals who suck off the government or familial tit and do nothing with our lives (My apologies to any neckbearded MGTOW who happen to live in a basement, haha). They fear that more and more men will become this stereotype until there is no more economic activity left to sustain society.

In reality though, we’re all just average men from all walks of life leading average lives, minus the societal ball and chain around our necks, which actually gives us a leg up over the average man. Because we are average men who value freedom and sovereignty over oneself, most of us are either generating enough economic value to sustain ourselves financially, or are in the process of obtaining the means to do so. In addition, because many MGTOW lead simple, fulfilling lives and don’t ride the consumer bandwagon, a man Going His Own Way will tend to keep his living expenses UNDER his general income and live within or under his means, thus contributing as little to the consumer debt bubble as possible, and are some of the few with some degree of actual savings and assets in a world flooded with debt.

What we’re left with is a man who contributes economic value and tends to have some degree of savings and assets, and is therefore an economic ASSET, and not a net loss. The man’s work contributes to the ongoing functioning of society, what little he consumes contributes, and he is still a taxpaying citizen who gives far more than he takes (Government taxes is another can of worms that can be opened separately). Economically speaking, MGTOW does NOT spell the end of civilization, and only serves as a rational lifestyle counterbalance to the overwhelming debt and un-freedom that inflates the current hot air balloon of a society. If anything, it is a slow economic restructuring/sea change in an unraveling system.

Any brothers have some ideas or thoughts to share on the subject?

[experiencedParticipant]

To tune things up a bit, consider dropping the word “average” from your description.
Your intent is correct, but the outside naysayers will use it against us.
There are far too many superb men in this forum.
This is quite noticeable if you read it regularly.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

I second that. We’re far from being average, regardless of our incomes or life situations. “Average” people look at us as radicals on fringes of society – we’re quite exceptional bunch of men. We’re so rare that I don’t know anyone quite as radical as myself IRL. We’re on the far outsides of the bell-curve with our contrarian outlook on gynocentric society

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[AvidAvariceParticipant 223]

experienced wrote:

To tune things up a bit, consider dropping the word “average” from your description.
Your intent is correct, but the outside naysayers will use it against us.
There are far too many superb men in this forum.
This is quite noticeable if you read it regularly.

Russky wrote:

I second that. We’re far from being average, regardless of our incomes or life situations. “Average” people look at us as radicals on fringes of society – we’re quite exceptional bunch of men. We’re so rare that I don’t know anyone quite as radical as myself IRL. We’re on the far outsides of the bell-curve with our contrarian outlook on gynocentric society

You’re right, I meant “average” as in healthy and without social and mental deficiencies – what one would think of when they think of a man, assuming they aren’t some libtard with a bone to pick against men. It was meant to be used in contrast to the “neckbeard basement-dweller”.

But I do see how it could be used against us, and it does do a disservice to many of the extraordinary men here (I’ve been reading this site almost daily for a few months now, so I’ve seen it). If I could edit my post, I’d edit out average, but what’s done is done on that front.

Thanks for pointing that out.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

I think part of the fear of mgtow is that although we earn ….. we don’t spend … we save .. invest .. plan.

We DON’T give our resources to women.

I think the figures are something like … women earn 40% of total budget but spend 80%.

That’s why they s~~~ themselves. Women not having funds .. other than their own credit card (debt) …. and men saving.

That’s one big financial and social time bomb right there.

And we don’t have to do anything …. just mgtow.

[MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To GiveParticipant 6635]

I agree with Iliveagain,our checks and balances end in surplus while women’s end in the red,thats is not good for a capitalist society if men are not willing to cover the spread on female debt.

Never lose sight of what brought you here.

[RoyDalParticipant]

ILiveAgain wrote:

I think part of the fear of mgtow is that although we earn ….. we don’t spend … we save .. invest .. plan.

ILiveAgain wrote:

We DON’T give our resources to women.

Add to that, we do not go into debt like women and manginas do. “They” need our debt to make money and to keep us under their thumbs.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

AvidAvarice wrote:

a man Going His Own Way will tend to keep his living expenses UNDER his general income and live within or under his means, thus contributing as little to the consumer debt bubble as possible

that’s exactly how i live my live. the consumer debt bubble is mostly caused by women wanting more, more, more!!!

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

[Anonymous 0]

I can’t say any better, guys. Something just occurred to me. In Bunker Mode’s last post he laid out his exit strategy. This post lays out a macro view of the same thing. Just as the woman being being divorced b/c of her BS – so is society as a whole. Be prepared for society to retaliate. MGTOW, Herbivore Men, are obvious targets.

[hellraiderParticipant 2837]

Yes society will try to shame, harass and beat men back into the gynocentric slavery.

But the genie is out of the bottle.
If you dont have to spend your money on a woman, you dont have to be a slave to the consumer society.

Work until you drop to buy useless stuff? No thanks!!!

That is why society will colapse or at least change radically if men realize that you dont need to spend your life away working like a drone for a soul sucking corporation.

You can just work part time or refuse to work overtime and be perfectly happy with it.

You dont need a huge, expensive house to attract a female.
You dont need and expensive new car to have sex.
You dont need to spend money buying clothes, shoes, makeup, purses and the newest useless trinket from china.

You just need a couple of steaks, beer and hanging out with your friends.

[PhantomParticipant 3328]

hellraider wrote:

You just need a couple of steaks, beer and hanging out with your friends.

In a nutshell, says it for me.

[AvidAvariceParticipant 223]

ILiveAgain wrote:

I think part of the fear of mgtow is that although we earn ….. we don’t spend … we save .. invest .. plan.

We DON’T give our resources to women.

I think the figures are something like … women earn 40% of total budget but spend 80%.

Sustaining ourselves is not enough consumer spending to satisfy the beast.

Great points.

So spending would greatly contract, but since it’s mostly women’s spending that will contract, it would mostly be the industries of frivolous s~~~ that suffers. In fact, once men have more disposable income, men would likely begin to spend a little more. Nowhere near female levels, but more than they do now with women’s hands in their back pockets, and the spending wouldn’t be on overwhelming nonsense.

Would having a bunch of manufacturers and marketers of frivolous nonsense close their doors bring about a collapse? Maybe that’s all our economy is now, and so it really would all come crashing down, or maybe it’s just a large part of it that can be scaled back or axed completely without everything burning with it, though there would definitely still be a good degree of economic chaos.

If the frivolous s~~~ really is all that our economy is, and it really does all come crashing down, then it’s a bitch that needs to burn anyways. Not that it needs any help from MGTOW to accomplish that though – it’s doing a mighty fine job of it already. I guess we’ll see in time if that’s really all there is.

hellraider wrote:

You just need a couple of steaks, beer and hanging out with your friends.

Hear, hear!

[GrumpyParticipant]

I can only speak for myself.
My impact on society as a whole (generally speaking), is negligible. My gradual withdrawal and increased withholding of participation in society generally, and communities specifically, both physically and financially is only a natural consequence to the way my person and property has been treated. I would daresay abused.
The way I look at it is that society and I had a contract, I would perform duties, accept responsibilities, participate and behave responsibly and amiably within society generally and my local communities specifically, and if required, defend the afore mentioned entities with my life, in exchange for a rather small set of rights and privileges.
That contract has been nullified by societies increased encroachment and withdrawal of more and more of my personal rights and privileges, demands for increased responsibilities for myself and my gender, while greatly increasing rights and privileges to others at a direct personal cost to people like myself (emotionally, physically, financially, and legally) due solely to my/our gender and sexuality.
As it appears that neither society as a whole, nor women specifically have to abide by this purported social contract. I too am no longer bound by it. I determine when I have had enough, no one or nothing else has that ability or right.
More and more men are “checking out” of society, not humanity, just society. I just happen to be one of them. If it hurts others bank accounts, so be it, it doesn’t affect mine.
How many times does one kick a dog before it attacks or goes away? Given my personal disposition, I feel it is safer for everyone if I do the latter.
Just my thoughts and words

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

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