MGTOW'S Should not take part in military service. Explosive topic.

[Anonymous 8]

MGTOW’s Should not take part in military service. Explosive topic indeed. Why fight for women, fight for your dick not for a government. Keep your sausage in reserve, wait for true hope & ultimate  pleasure. Build your man cave away from corrupt governments, wait for it to be filled with women.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

You just need to put it to music and you have a MGTOW national anthem!

Spielberg can direct.

Hi Anonymous. And welcome.

(no relation to the all-seeing incognito group “anonymous” I assume? Although that would be an honor.)

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[VaderParticipant 50]

I enjoyed my service in U.S. Navy many years ago. It can be a great experience for a young man. That being said, nowadays, I feel a little embarrassed by it. To think I put my life on the line to protect peoples freedom, When all they try to do is take mine away? This place is going to hell in a hand basket, and I am gleefully awaiting the apocolypse. LOCKED and LOADED!

[RoyDalParticipant]

The military is good gig for people who have the personality for it. Well, it was before the Democrats got in charge of it.

On the other hand, a lot of those guys living in cardboard boxes under bridges are military vets. A guy I knew in high school is a quadriplegic, thanks to his “service.” Food for thought.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[WillParticipant 1]

I spent five years on active duty in the Navy during mostly the Carter years.  Carter was a c~~~ himself and the Navy reflected it. It suddenly got better when Reagan was elected.  Now as a civilian I have hellish prospect of working for a fat pregnant negress CDR named Donelson.  This posturing c~~~ is so dumb she can’t even run a meeting. Now I have the faux “Marine” named Ketzy Ramos who postures and swaggers around the office.  The only solution is the one I took.  I resigned.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Better to resign than to get ulcers or die too young of a stress-induced heart attack. Good on ya, mate!

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[WillParticipant 1]

It suddenly occurred to me after a fight with the negress that this is degrading and demeaning and that NO AMOUNT of MONEY or benefits could justify me staying.  So I gave a 1.5 months notice and quit.  It will let me coast through the holidays when no one is in the office and do a job search.  In the mean time, I’m doing my best to p~~~ off the the little spick fake Marine.  IT SIMPLY DOESN’T MATTER ANY MORE.  IT’S NOT WORTH IT.

[WillParticipant 1]

I was a surface line officer in the Navy 1977-1982.  This event was in 1977. There were many good things about it, but most of the enlisted men, some of the officers and all of the blacks were incredibly bad.  Women were not allowed aboard ships at that time and I only encountered them ashore.  My first encounter with women in a command environment was here.  With a couple dozen other guys I was going through a ships bridge trainer (at the OCS in Newport RI).  There was a female LTJG who was in charge of the session, and she was walking through the various bridge simulators posturing like John Wayne.  When she got to my simulator, she walked up to me and shouted a question.  She was maybe a little over 5 feet tall, and I’m 6-4.  I stared down into her face and answered the question calmly, noting the acne pock marks on her cheeks, the blotchy makeup, and wire-like hair.  The size gap between the two of us made the preposterous swagger that she bore even more ridiculous.  I’ve never been able to respect a woman in authority since.  I pretend when I have to but it’s a thin veneer.  I work for the Navy right now and it is so bad, I don’t think the Navy could seriously defend this benighted republic.  I have many other stories and will add them if asked.

[WillParticipant 1]

I feel ashamed to be a veteran when these ridiculous women can claim the same title.  I never say to anyone that I’m a veteran.

[WillParticipant 1]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You have to wonder why a nation that elected Obama twice and now has women aboard ships is even worth defending.  Being an American male, particularly in the military, is demeaning.  Loyalty to this society is beneath me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[peterfaParticipant 833]

Be loyal to right and wrong, and seek truth no matter where it takes you, and let the truth then guide you. Nations are irrelevant.

[ShadowerParticipant 16]

Lately, some family members and friends have been egging me to join the Air Force or Army Reserve like crazy. I’m Physically fit, bilingual, and I have a somewhat compromising part-time job that pays well (And no relations~~~s to deal with) among other things. But it’s not enough for them for me to have all those things and be happy with my life (as a MGTOW). In the short time I’ve been a MGTOW (my first year anniversary as a mgtow is this 23rd), I’ve learned enough to know that joining any kind of military service would hinder my path of MGTOW greatly. I couldn’t give a F~~~ less about  what they say through their shaming language and manipulations, I’m am not going to serve a corrupt government and a misandric society. Don’t get me wrong, I have great respect for our vets, and the people that served and are serving the military, and I’ve seen my fair share of homeless vets which I can afford to hand some of them a dollar a day thanks to my current job.  But the military life is not for people that have swallowed the red pill.

[ja391045Participant 6]

*The service desperately needs more MGTOWs to share the knowledge.  More than any other category, the servicemen are the most preyed upon by women.*

I absolutely loved my time in the Marine Corps, and I wouldn’t trade it for the world.  I spent eight of the best years of my life, made Sergeant in four, and loved every second of that wonderful suck.  I joined the Marines out of a love of family tradition.  I was raised solely my father, he and my grandfather were both Marines. One served in WWII and Korea, and the other in Vietnam.  They had the best, most exciting stories while I was growing up.  They both also possesed a quality I’d seen in few others.  It wasn’t until after I joined and been on my first combat deployment when I figured out what that quality was.  That un-named quality that I couldn’t figure out is the capacity for great, barbaric violence, coupled with the judgement and empathy to do violence only when it’s necessary.  There’s something about knowing, without a doubt in your head, that when push comes to shove, you will pull that trigger that is very, very calming and reassuring.  Nowadays, when I get into arguments, or run into bad situations, my blood pressure barely rises.  I just become more calm and aware.  Both my dad and grandfather had this same trait.  Absolutely no fear of even the most dangerous places or people.   I know I’m not invincible,  I know there’s all manner of people out there who can and will kick my ass and leave me for dead, if not outright murder me.  I’m not the baddest motherf~~~er on the block.  I just know I’ll handle it to the best of my abilities and I never have to wonder about any what-ifs, or what-will-I-do.

On top of those more intangible benefits,  they also had life long male friends from the Marine Corps who would literally drop anything and everything if one of the group needed help.  I wanted that for myself, and I got it.  I’ve got some great life experiences from my service, and some of the best friends, which I consider family, anybody can ask for.  I even have a couple female Marine platonic friends who are true NAWALTs and will tolerate no drama or bulls~~~ what-so-ever.  When I joined, I was given some counseling about the bulls~~~ that develops from fraternization, and chose then and there to not get involved with any woman in uniform.   Now, that’s one piece of advice I wish I had ignored, as female Marines are some of the only women I can stomach prolonged exposure to.  Even after all I’ve learned in the past week or so of reading here and watching Bar Bar videos, I can’t picture any of the female Marines I know being that dishonorable to anyone.  The Marines *forces* honor and self-reliance into your psyche.  If that doesn’t take, you’ll end up a washed out s~~~-bird, mopping floors for the rest of your enlistment in no time at all.  I absolutely *hate* the feminization of the military, and so do all the female Marine veterans I know.   They know just as well as everyone else that the next step is going to be a drop in physical and readiness standards, because women can’t compete in the Marines unless they are absolutely exceptional.  So the feminazis are under full steam to get the standards lowered.

 

The military is the one place that desperately needs more MGTOWs.  If you are serious about helping men, this is where to start.  It’s where I plan on starting.  All military servicemen receive enormous pressure to find a girl and get married.   I was smart, for a guy on the blue pills, and listened to my SNCOs when they told me that under no circumstances was I to marry until I made at least Corporal, and preferably Sergeant.   Even then, they said, marry a foreign girl you’re bound to meet on a WESTPAC.   It was difficult at times, because the entire military system is designed to get young, 18 or 19 year old non-rates married as quickly as possible!  The pay scale is higher for married enlisted, so Marines start searching for a bimbo just to get a pay bump, which they don’t realize the woman will suck dry.  Right off the bat, young Marines see a financial gain for hooking up with the closest base-skank.   Married non-rates get to live in base housing or off base, and collect BAQ (extra pay).   Married non-rates get out of pulling duty, or standing watch so they can “go home to their wives”.    Then, as soon as we deploy, all the women start looking for the next step up or the nearest meat head to bang.  After an extended deployment, comes a rash of messy divorces, which can devastate a unit.   There’s a whole class of parasites who dedicate their lives to leeching off servicemen, and the poor kids, fresh out of boot and all of 18 years old just aren’t ready for the onslaught of pussy with strings attached that is thrown at them.  The base-skanks are experts at the game, the boots don’t even know they are playing.

We have word for women who hang around bases, drop their panties for anything with a high and tight, and after years of work on her back finally lands a boot too stupid to know better;  “dependapotamos”.

Here’s some nice illustrations of the problem:

http://terminallance.com/2010/08/06/terminal-lance-56-myths-and-legends-ii-the-dependapotamus/

http://terminallance.com/2010/02/09/terminal-lance-11-where-the-big-bucks-are/

So if any group of men need an introduction into the machinations and thinking process of women, it’s those who serve in our armed forces.  That, and the pussification of the military by dropping standards to accommodate women is a political battle against femenism I think can be won.  Even most women don’t want military standards to be lowered in order to accommodate women who can’t hack the physicality.   They know an Armed service full of weaklings can’t protect them.

When you think about it, the Military can be an ultimate adventure for a MGTOW.  You don’t get to “go your way” so much as you get the coolest toys, the best paid vacations, and some of the absolute best life experiences.   Sometimes I was shocked, absolutely shocked, that I was getting PAID to hang out with my buddies and blow s~~~ up.   I was astounded I was getting PAID to fire machine guns out of a helicopter, or go for a ride in an M1A1 and watch it spread some hate and discontent.  On top of that there’s the barracks CoD or Madden parties, and more pussy than you can f~~~ if you are smart enough to kick them out afterwards.

 

Even if you aren’t going to join yourself, or are already out, do your best to reach out to those young lads who are going to join or have just recently joined.  They are such easy prey.

[ja391045Participant 6]

What do you mean by Faux Marine?   Like stolen valor type of situation, or just bottom 10% s~~~ bird?

[F4CCParticipant 20]

The info for getting more money to get married is right and one main reason young guys do it,  so they can get out of the barrack. But that’s not the worse part. If a woman is married to a active duty person for 10 years she is automatically able to get half of his retirement when he hits his 20 year point.  I know, I was in 22 years and at the 10 year point my ex walked in and said I want a divorce. But it gets better, you get the f~~~ing from the state you are married in, the f~~~ing from the federal law that gives her your retirement and then if she is really evil she can tell you command all kinds of crazy s~~~ to make you look bad.  There is no reason for anybody in the military to get married, long deployments, long hours, and a deck that is so stacked against you it’s beyond comprehension.

[ja391045Participant 6]

I never knew about the retirement thing.  That is some absolute B.S.  Marines in the field burn 4,000 – 6,000 calories a day, and up to 8,000 in extreme cold weather environments.  I’m sure we all know what 6,000 calories of work feels like like.   Gunts do that kind of thing all day, every day, from Monday until “whenever they get back”.   No woman could have possibly contributed 50% to any sort of retirement.

[TYEParticipant 291]

I have to disagree the Military has never been about the Government, or the people in my opinion the Military is like any other job you learn great skills, and if you’re lucky you will build a brother hood with your fellow Marines (Or any other branch you decide to join). My father spent 12 years in the Marines unfortunately hes a total Mangina I chose to have nothing to do with, but the skills he obtained in the military are ones that I think make the service worth while. I have always wanted to know how to kill someone, and do it effectively not for hostile reasons, but simply because it’s a skill I think every man should have in a world in which hostile aggression is on the rise. This of course is not the only reason the discipline, and overall experience also play a factor. Most troops end up returning home after looking death in the eyes, and ironically get killed by some mentally disturbed highschooler who is suppose to be his fellow citizen. Many may disagree with me on this, but I think the “mentally unstable” groups of American civilians running around is way more of a threat to our military than ISIS will ever be. America needs to bring the war home…not with actual fighting, but a MORAL war needs to be waged deploying troops should not be our priority.

[ja391045Participant 6]

@alphagod said:
I have always wanted to know how to kill someone, and do it effectively not for hostile reasons, but simply because it’s a skill I think every man should have in a world in which hostile aggression is on the rise. This of course is not the only reason the discipline, and overall experience also play a factor. Most troops end up returning home after looking death in the eyes, and ironically get killed by some mentally disturbed highschooler who is suppose to be his fellow citizen. Many may disagree with me on this, but I think the “mentally unstable” groups of American civilians running around is way more of a threat to our military than ISIS will ever be. America needs to bring the war home…not with actual fighting, but a MORAL war needs to be waged deploying troops should not be our priority.

Yeah, there’s plenty to clean up here, but it’s not an all or nothing deal, there’s no need to let ISIS grow out of control, or more out of control than it already is, while we focus solely on the home front.  Islamic extremism is definitely a threat to western civilization, but I’m not sure if it’s the highest threat, or even in the top five of threats to our society.  I think our biggest threats are internal.  At the same time, we don’t want a repeat of the appeasement policy, because I don’t think extremist Islamic elements are going to go away on their own.  Until that society and religion are forced to undergo a reformation of their own, they will remain a regional and international threat.   It’s one thing to live like 7th century barbarians within your own state and your own borders.  It’s quite another to attempt to export that way of life through force and violence.

I think the mechanics of killing are easily learned.  However, the “warrior mindset” prerequisite is the harder part to learn.  Without this mentality, most people are comfortable killing if and only if, they are in a “flight or flight” response mode, or overwhelmed with emotion, be it anger or jealously, etc.  Killing while in a calm, and controlled state, is usually reserved for sociopaths. I’d start with two books in particular, “On Killing”, and “On Training” both by LtCol Dave Grossman. The LtCol is an Army psychiatrist who has studied this kind of thing for a long time.  Another good read by him is his essay, “On Wolves, and Sheep, and Sheepdogs” which is probably his most famous work.  These books I recommended are a little bit dated, but still relevant I think.

In these books he tries to differentiate the training methods which makes the modern warfighter a “shooter”, without becoming so desensitized to violence that he becomes sociopathic, and without becoming so remorseful he becomes suicidal or believes himself to be a monster.  When in an armed force, despite what Hollywood tries to fantasize, you don’t shoot only when fired upon.  If you are returning fire, and not initiating fire, then you’ve done something wrong, or our politicians have done something wrong.  As a warfighter, you aren’t the police or a peacekeeper, your purpose there is to find the enemy, engage with them, and destroy them completely.   You always want to be the element initiating the violence, and then you want to constantly escalate the situation.  You want to be the one waiting in ambush, ready to shoot and hit the enemy before he even knows you are there, long before he begins shooting at you.   It’s a lot for the human mind to deal with, especially since most have been taught that it’s “wrong to hit first” from a very early age.  So erasing all this, “good and proper” programming, and introducing new programming is what LtCol. Grossman’s life’s work has been about.

[MaskedManiacManParticipant 5]

As a Marine who got out 6 months ago I believe no man should join the military because you are used and thrown away just as quickly. Men are all potential rapists because mando training day told us so. We were told that if we ever had sex while drinking we were automatic sex offenders with BCD(bad conduct discharge) only if the woman filed charges. I had my married Seargent explain to me early in my career never get married while in the military. Of course, I already stayed out of relations~~~s. But, women have lower standards as suggested earlier different PFT CFT standards. I cannot in good conscience ever reccommend joining the military. ja3901 did bring up a couple good things but the Marines is not what it use to be duties on every single deck to prevent rape. Arming DNCO’s to handle his Marines makes no sense good leaders don’t need the threat of physical violence to lead. It is not about warfighting anymore it’s about convaluted standards being equated to discipline. I had respect as a Corporal because i knew my s~~~ and didn’t let some boot ass admin f~~~ with my marines. But no more of that s~~~ no man should be subjugatted by leaders that leave all the single Marines in the barracks that are treated like children. Being married doesn’t make you more mature it gives you an excuse to leave the unmarried guys to get harassed and random drug searchs at midnight on a Saturday. Also I was stationed at Okitraz(Okinawa) as a first duty station and ended up spending the rest of my enlistment there. So the negatives outway the positives in everyway.

[Sterile SquidParticipant 21]

I have recently enlisted in the US Navy. The reasons are as follows.

1. Learning a trade.
2. Accrue money.
3. Traveling the world.
4. A challenge.
5. Service member benefits.

Those are the five pillars. In essence, to prop up a robust foundation of autonomy seven years from now, when I am a free man.

I am somewhat perplexed by the almost universal denouncement of the military. I am mildly irritated at some of the reasons because they are myopic. For instance, waving down taxi cabs with a stump, initiating a thousand stare whenever you read “Concentrate” and carrying a rat defecated, duct taped cardboard mobile home under a flea ridden armpit. These things do happen but its not universal or an inevitability.

Strategic planning is

• A job with a civilian equivalent.
• Consistently depositing 67% of my earnings into savings.
• Facing daunting challenges.
• Seizing opportunities to diversify hobbies & talents.
• Using Tuition Assistance and/or GI Bill

I am doing all these things. I am in much better place than I was years ago. An unemployment hell, pervaded by lethargy, shame and depression. The military as an extension of big government, is as riddled with imperfections as a teenager with heavy acne. Enforced political correctness, red tape for the simplest of tasks, gynocentric indoctrination, arbitrary orders, etc etc etc. Despite this and among other set backs that put me in unfavorable positions, I am thriving.

Its main selling point that its accessible to anybody that didn’t irreparably screw up and owns a HS diploma. I have met several people from ghetto and similar destitute environments that sought to escape the inexorable cycle of counter productivity they saw their predecessors subscribed to. One is reverted to a nascent state where they can craft a future, for better or worse.

The military can be a conduit to a good prospect, if one has the foresight and discipline to use it as such.

 

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