MGTOW vs red-pilled only

[Anonymous 38]

This has been discussed before but I was meditating last night on MGTOW and solely “Red Pill” men (that is, red pilled guys who aren’t MGTOW).

There’s quite an obvious difference between the two ‘groups’, which is that the non-MGTOW red-piller is still invested in the game whereas the MGTOW is not.

It’s interesting to think about which is ‘better’ or more correct or ‘enlightened’. We see bashing of the other from both sides, with proponents often convinced they are right and the other has it wrong, with many an argument put forward.

But like for many questions in life, there is no right and wrong answer. There are gains and losses, one can make a solid case for both lifestyles using different reasoning. Ultimately, it has to come down to the individual and their personal philosophy, what they want in life and are willing to put up with to obtain that.
I will say one thing however. I have seen more men go from red-pilled / non-MGTOW to MGTOW than I have MGTOW to red-pilled / non-MGTOW.

MGTOW seems the logical progression from being red-pilled and still playing the game, to eventually realising the juice just isn’t worth the squeeze, and you’d just be better off living entirely for yourself. Some men can be more or less fully-red pilled while still being immersed in the game, I would say money is a key factor here as the guy with the money holds the power in a relationship. Whereas guys such as myself cannot be simultaneously red-pilled and immersed in the game – it all feels like a huge pretence which I lived for many years but brought me only emptiness.

And that is why I am MGTOW.

[AwakenedParticipant 35206]

Anonymous wrote:

There’s quite an obvious difference between the two ‘groups’, which is that the non-MGTOW red-piller is still invested in the game whereas the MGTOW is not.

This is quite the assumption. MGTOW by it’s very definition is EACH MAN GOING HIS OWN WAY. Therefore, ALL MGTOW men may have some varying behaviors, and can not be broad brushed as they all do this, or they all do that.

Anonymous wrote:

I will say one thing however. I have seen more men go from red-pilled / non-MGTOW to MGTOW than I have MGTOW to red-pilled / non-MGTOW.

What’s the importance of all the LABELS ??

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[Anonymous 38]

Awakened wrote:

This is quite the assumption. MGTOW by it’s very definition is EACH MAN GOING HIS OWN WAY. Therefore, ALL MGTOW men may have some varying behaviors, and can not be broad brushed as they all do this, or they all do that.

Interesting point. Quite academic. I will admit that I make a distinction between men still immersed in the game as it were and MGTOW. It seems an academic point, at which point can a man be called MGTOW? Is it simply doing whatever what one wants? That seems to be what you’re saying however a married or otherwise cohabiting man is usually considered not to be MGTOW, by definition.

[Anonymous 38]

..but the man could claim to be doing whatever he wants.

Apologies for the break/typos/ repetition, damn phone.

[AwakenedParticipant 35206]

Anonymous wrote:

a married or otherwise cohabiting man is usually considered not to be MGTOW, by definition.

A married man is NOT free to make his OWN CHOICES in Life therefore he, can’t be a Man Going His Own Way.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[Anonymous 38]

True, because the woman has big daddy govt behind her. However she can still wield this power to a lesser degree over a man she’s not married to but living with.

I’ll admit I am a bit of an all or nothing person.

[Anonymous 18]

Anonymous wrote:

There’s quite an obvious difference between the two ‘groups’,

Red pill man = MGTOW + NAWALT.

MGTOW men accept the illusion of unicorn for what it is.

Anonymous wrote:

There are gains and losses, one can make a solid case for both lifestyles using different reasoning

Only if you consider vagina and the pre-conditioned validation that comes from sticking penis inside it.

But don’t grab her t~~~ – it could be rape now.

[nonameParticipant 746]

Anonymous wrote:

True, because the woman has big daddy govt behind her. However she can still wield this power to a lesser degree over a man she’s not married to but living with.

Hmhh, she will try her best, it is our perception that counts.
I was quite a mangina sedated with vag and on my part love and caring for her that i discarded many of the red pill signals.

Married man could have the same approach (to discard), but after some time as it gathers up he will want out, then the decision is to be made to stay (as a red pill) or to continue as a MGHOW.

We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. - Aristotle
Warrior asked Fear, “How can I defeat you?” Fear replied, “If you don’t do what I say, I have no power.”

[TaxGuyParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

MGTOW seems the logical progression from being red-pilled and still playing the game, to eventually realising the juice just isn’t worth the squeeze, and you’d just be better off living entirely for yourself. Some men can be more or less fully-red pilled while still being immersed in the game, I would say money is a key factor here as the guy with the money holds the power in a relationship. Whereas guys such as myself cannot be simultaneously red-pilled and immersed in the game – it all feels like a huge pretence which I lived for many years but brought me only emptiness.
And that is why I am MGTOW.

I would say red pill vs. monk, but a rose by any other name right?

Anyway, I am in monk-mode today and have been for a few years. Does that mean it will stay this way? Not necessarily. I do leave open the option to date again if I found the right person to date. Who that woman is that would make me reconsider I have no idea. And the older I get I realize that the window is pretty close to completely shut. And I think the longer I am in monk-mode the harder it would be to change.

Let’s say I meet a woman I am interested in and go out on a date with her. I’m probably just sitting there waiting for the s~~~ tests, the resource acquisition questions, etc. Would I really give her the benefit of the doubt on any question that she is asking me? Or am I just sitting there judging everything she says with the conclusion already in my head? If that’s the case, then why am I wasting my time with her? So I can certainly see how it would be much harder to get back in the dating game.

But, like Keymaster says, it’s up to some woman to show herself as interesting enough for me to consider it. So far they have all failed at that, so it’s not really on me.

Order the good wine

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

Labels are only labels.

Each man finds himself wherever he is at that moment.

There is no magical phone that we can pickup that allows us to exit the matrix.

We all encounter women. Understanding their nature is the first discovery.

Our society is at a tipping point. Any man can be destroyed at any time. Whatever label you are will do you no good.

We all will be destroyed. That is the goal.

Peace brothers

[Anonymous 38]

TaxGuy wrote:

I would say red pill vs. monk, but a rose by any other name right?

Anyway, I am in monk-mode today and have been for a few years. Does that mean it will stay this way? Not necessarily. I do leave open the option to date again if I found the right person to date. Who that woman is that would make me reconsider I have no idea. And the older I get I realize that the window is pretty close to completely shut. And I think the longer I am in monk-mode the harder it would be to change.

Let’s say I meet a woman I am interested in and go out on a date with her. I’m probably just sitting there waiting for the s~~~ tests, the resource acquisition questions, etc. Would I really give her the benefit of the doubt on any question that she is asking me? Or am I just sitting there judging everything she says with the conclusion already in my head? If that’s the case, then why am I wasting my time with her? So I can certainly see how it would be much harder to get back in the dating game.

But, like Keymaster says, it’s up to some woman to show herself as interesting enough for me to consider it. So far they have all failed at that, so it’s not really on me.

Your post elucidates my inner thoughts very well. Particularly the part about sitting there waiting for the s~~~ tests. I have tried relationships with my red pill knowledge, however it is not a case of IF I notice her machinations, it’s WHEN. So the whole thing seems a thorough waste of time.

And yet, I can imagine a stage where you notice the games but they don’t bother you enough to do anything about it. Just from looking at myself over the last 12 months I can see there are far fewer f~~~s given regarding anything women and the world at large does.

Thanks for the responses.

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