MGTOW or not to MGTOW

[crimson66Participant 15]

Hello Gentlemen,

I’ve been on the fence of this whole thing for about a month now considering if this is the right mindset or not.

I’m not a fan of how the sexes are so divided and destroying the family unit. I am a bit of a ‘conspiracy’ theorist and to me this is a way for us all to be dominated by big brother. We are easier to take down on our own.

However my girlfriend of 2.5 years that I currently live with keeps saying ‘when are you going to marry me’ ‘when are you getting me a ring’ more and more lately. She looks at land to build a house on that we can’t afford for another 5-10 years and incessantly looks at property and wants to drive out to see it etc. etc. I find this pointless mainly because all these lots will be gone by the time we can truly afford it. Much less that more and more i’m not sure about this whole marriage thing…I dont really want it…I want freedom to do what I want at every minute of the day.

I may add to this later when I have time.

But hello all and thank you for the insights I have read so far.
25 Year Old Confused MWTGHOW (Man wanting to go his own way)

[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

welcome sir

i’m glad you’ve found the path to freedom

DO NOT GET MARRIED

after the honeymoon phase is over, marriage is miserable

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

Would you sign a business contract where you are responsible for 100% of the risk and NONE of the reward??
That’s what a marriage CONTRACT is. Unless you want [desperately] your own children, STAY SINGLE.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

crimson66 wrote:

I’m not a fan of how the sexes are so divided and destroying the family unit. I am a bit of a ‘conspiracy’ theorist and to me this is a way for us all to be dominated by big brother. We are easier to take down on our own.

I’m on the same page.
“First you get the women, then you’ve got the children, so follow the men.” Adolf Hitler

You need to sit down with your girlfriend and express your concerns about her recent behavior. Nothing bad can happen from that. Give her an ultimatum where she has to decide what more she wants – get married or be together with you. She will most likely bail because AWALT

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[Truthseeker82Participant 6406]

When you marry “her” you are also marrying the government. Never, ever mix emotions with governmental bodies. Your feelings ( and hers) may change over time – but your “marriage” to the laws of the state won’t. Don’t sign it. You also don’t need a contract to have kids – if you must. Word of caution – the lines of girlfriend/wife are blurring, and not for the better. More and more men never marry but instead cohabitat. They find out, the hard way, they can still end up paying big time.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

You are going skydiving. There us 50:50 chance the parachute will fail.

Should you jump?

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[Anonymous 6]

She wants this she wants that, do YOU want it? If i were in your position I would GTFO right now! I was in your position before and I did a similar thread about this a year ago “Marriage or MGTOW” KM and all the members responses here saved me from years of misery! listen to them!!

You are in a good position right now and its great that you have asked for advice before going any further, you have all the power right now, women will try to shame and trick you into marrying them because they constantly want more and are never satisfied and turn the guy with good intentions into a f~~~ing slave. I wanted to believe in marriage and true love too brother, but the harsh truth is its just like Santa clause and the tooth fairy. The sooner that sinks in the better, go MGTOW it will be the best decision you have ever made i guarantee it.

[crimson66Participant 15]

Situation is a bit more complicated than that but yes I generally am biding my time before I GTFO.

Essentially I picked up and moved to a smallish town for her, but then I got a great job at the same company and now make more than her.

But before that time I was in limbo working a s~~~ job and slowly incurred debt to her from back-rent.
We live in a nice ass house for our age that we are renting, I enjoy the standard of living and I somewhat require the backyard for my main hobby, metalworking/blacksmithing. I’ll probably have to bite the bullet and give up my yard for a year or so before I can afford a house to rent on my own though.
I’m in the process of slowly paying my debt back, within about 3 months i’ll be good…but our lease is until next f~~~ing May 2017.

She has always said she would just want to know if things changed between us and that she would be civil about it…but that will not happen. Anytime I bring up any issues they get twisted around to be my fault, or if I stand my ground and don’t relent she just becomes a f~~~ing crybaby mess and makes my life hell.
I mean she is a cool ass chick when she isn’t being a depressive or dependent little girl…we share a lot of common interests.
For example, we both enjoy firearms and WWII reenactment, I used to participate with her but lately I find the events to be a great excuse for me to get some alone time all weekend while she is at an event.
I know this won’t work out for me in the long run considering how much she nags and for how dependent she is on me to go f~~~ing everywhere with her and cook and all that s~~~ and we aren’t even married.

It’s pretty silly how when I actually write about this I think WHY THE F~~~ did I let myself be blinded by how smoking hot she was at the start to look past all the red flags.

-_-

[The Batman 2020Participant 2112]

Anonymous wrote:

I wanted to believe in marriage and true love too brother, but the harsh truth is its just like Santa clause and the tooth fairy. The sooner that sinks in the better, go MGTOW it will be the best decision you have ever made i guarantee it.

Your 20's are for learning, your 30's are for earning.

[BadgerParticipant 2277]

By visiting all the potential housing sites she is conditioning you to accept that you will be married to her. That is a given in her mind. She is working on your mind to break down your resistance.

The tears and other manipulative behavior are that of an immature person. Listen to the guys here who warn you that things will only get worse if you marry her. I understand that how hard it is when a woman is young, beautiful, or hot. Everyone her probably has gone through that at least once. The male hormones blind one to the reality of the personality that lies beyond the outer exterior.

The members here who have gone through this behavioral pattern are laying it on the line, so do not disregard their wise advise.

[MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To GiveParticipant 6635]

I recommend binging on mgtow.com/youtube Tom Leykis/Listen to Sandman(youtuber) daily red pill dosages etc.You need to overdose as much red pill knowledge as you can because she lives with you and you don’t have much time to sip,guzzle in as much as you can so you can see clearer and start your exit strategy because she will not let you leave in peace for giving you 2.5 years of her golden uterus that she used for a pawn move to make you a slave.

Never lose sight of what brought you here.

[WhackerGuy2030Participant 999]

I’m going to be blunt, but for your benefit.
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RUN!
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Understand that she may believe she loves you and wants to be with you. But remember, she’s programmed to hunt down “a man” to marry. This man’s role is to buy her “a house” and give her “some kids.” That’s her plan. Understand that you’re just a piece of HER plan.
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They’re all programmed to pursue it. Problem is, they neglect the most important considerations. Are you the “right man?” Will you be able to actually afford all this? What will happen when you definitely cannot? Has she thought thru the idea of being a parent for the rest of her life? Or does she simply want “a baby” for the vanity of it all?
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No vacations, no toys, credit maxes out and the dream collapses. Then what? I don’t know many women that are content living in a run down house with no money and having to sew handed down clothes for their kids anymore.
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And don’t even think for a minute that what your hopes and dreams matter a hill of s~~~ while her plan hasn’t been fully realized first.

[WhackerGuy2030Participant 999]

How many guys do you know go boat shopping with their girlfriends?

[RedDawnParticipant 1391]

Notice she’s just asking you for a ring. One of my ex-partners did that after I picked out a ring for her, because it was all she cared about. She never got that ring and I couldn’t be happier about it.

Either you run or you find a way to make her dump you (pretend your broke).

Courage is the key to life itself - Morgan Freeman

[RhinoParticipant 3477]

Brother you must run as far and as fast as soon as you can. You don’t owe her anything except to tell her you are done. If the roles were reversed and they will be some day she will bail on you without a thought because you were never in her plans. All she cares about is a man, any man to make her dreams become reality, there is no love for her women are not programmed to love. Those tears and her telling you she wants to be with you is all apart of the manipulation. There are countless books on this subject look through the archives of these forums and read and view all the videos you can about this subject it is eye opening.

She will do s~~~ tests on you like asking you for a ring to see how committed you are to her. Bail as soon as possible because if you don’t a few years down the road she will monkey branch to the next guy once you don’t give her what she wants and it will NEVER be enough. She will always blame you for your failings while she sits at home doing nothing for the kids or you.

[BadgerParticipant 2277]

For example, here is an article describing immature behavior that you can read to evaluate her.

Relationships with emotionally immature people

Quote from that article:
“When emotionally immature people do not get their way, they often respond to their circumstances in ways that are irrational. They need to control and this lack of control motivates them to act out. They pout, whine, cry manipulate, or violate the object of their obsession, all the whilst believing they are entitled to behave this way. They are in complete denial in regard how destructive this behavior is to their relationship, and now they are actually sabotaging their own goals.”

As mentioned by another member above, it is easy to search the Internet to find other articles on the manipulative techniques women use on men.

[crimson66Participant 15]

Thanks for the advice guys.
I read the recommended article, and have read many like it beforehand.

(in response to some points in the article)
She isn’t a finger pointer, but she’ll walk by something and say YOU haven’t taken out the trash in the bathroom for 2 days and I haven’t said anything, YOU need to take out the trash!
My logical response to this is…well if you’ve noticed it why don’t you just take initiative and do it yourself it is bothering you!
Then it’ll be oh but that’s YOUR job.

Even though I do HER jobs (chores) for her 75% of the time because she is too tiiiired or she forgets. I do this because I think, well she just forgot this time…i’ll be nice and do it for her.
But it doesn’t work the other way around with her and it drives me fkin bonkers.

She can dish it out but can’t take it, she has low self-esteem and takes the slightest things as an attack or ‘insensitivity’.

Lately she has been started to dangle the potential of sex on me doing something for her etc. etc. and I push back and it seems to make no impact on her…and in the long run if I end up doing what she wants there ends up not being any ‘reward’ i.e. sex for it because that s~~~ doesn’t make me want to in the first place.. It is a rare occurrence but lately it has been showing up.

The road to me considering mgtow started when one day she said in passing, ‘you know i’ve never really been single’.
That was when I was like ‘OH F**K it all makes sense now, you don’t know how to take care of yourself because a man has always done it for you.’ It basically validated all my concerns and her behaviors.

It is my fault in some way, because at the start I reinforced bad behaviors. It was a baaaad mistake.

I have a friend in a similar situation who is coming to visit while she is out of town this weekend and we are having a little DMT tea to meditate and help clear our consciousnesses.

[BadgerParticipant 2277]

You think the immature and manipulative behavior is bad now? It will get much worse if and after you make the mistake of marrying her. The other members here will confirm that in spades.

[BadgerParticipant 2277]

Crimson 66: If you have not already done so, I suggest you read these two books:

Online PDF copy of The Manipulated Man by Esther Vilar.
http://dontmarry.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/the_manipulated_man.pdf

Here is a PDF online copy of The Anatomy of Female Power by the Nigerian author Chinweizu.

http://therawness.com/AFP.pdf

If these sites don’t work, just look around and you will eventually find an online copy.

[crimson66Participant 15]

Thanks for those links, they both worked fine.
Maybe with some luck I can find an ebook to listen to while at work.

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