MGTOW is the only way.

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

On one side you have the trad con right side of the fence. They want a return to the 1950s where women stayed in the kitchen and the man worked his ass off to support a woman. She couldn’t divorce him, but his life was still miserable. The “ol ball and chain” was a common saying.

One the other side, you have the bleeding heart liberal SJW, politically correct, feminist bulls~~~. They want men to pay outrageous alimony, have no rights, everything is rape, ect.

Both of these options sound s~~~ty to me. On one side, you’re a miserable married man whose whole life is work, on the other, you’re screwed by the courts and women and shamed by society at large.

MGTOW is the only way. Not left, or right. It’s going forward. It’s the only way a sensible man can live these days, or any days. It’s the key to happiness, not being tied down and dealing with female bulls~~~ and the injustice withing our society against men.

Thoughts?

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[HitmanParticipant]

my thoughts are that you are spot on correct.
no going backwards.
feminism polluted the playing field.
going your own way is the ONLY way that makes any sense.
.
the rules changed ,
men are now targets for women to hit with lawsuits,
accusations and lies..
for almost any reason whatsoever.
game over man, GAME OVER .
.
let them marry themselves and their f~~~ing cats.
.
whatever i have at this point is mine.
no sharing .
sorry c~~~s..
i was a nice guy and you started s~~~ ..
see ya, wouldn’t want to BE ya !!!
so long suckers..
i’m never going back to the slave camp.
.
feminism is MGTOW’s greatest recruiter.

[Truthseeker82Participant 6406]

There is no middle ground. Never really was. The cards were always stacked against us. Now it’s even worse – angry single mothers, fat bags of lard, princesses – f~~~ all that. I’d rather walk through a minefield blindfolded than hitch myself to that misery. The results are the same either way.

[aeragoanParticipant 1186]

MGTOW means Rebuild Redesign Reclaim everything for my own self dignity and preservance..thats why mgtow is only way

[Anonymous 54]

Works for me. I don’t miss the misery,feeling traped,worrying about the cops every time she raised her vioce,the hopelessness. No ball and chain for me !

[Prefer Peace to PieceParticipant 10809]

Silverstone-

Well written.

It seems like every lady you meet is angry with a bad attitude. They want the life of a princess, but they want a man to pay for it.
A man would have to be crazy to put up that nonsense.

Life is so much better without a boat anchor wrapped around your neck

[STORMParticipant 738]

MGTOW is indeed the only answer to being a man. There are some guys who mention “going back to an equilibrium” but that never existed. I’ve said before, and say again, knowing what’s in female nature, makes it clear to me, that i will be single for life. The only interactions i will have with women are at work (undesired communication) and if i live to be old i will eventually get sick probably, and then i guess i will be forced to interact with the nurses lol. But that’s it, there is no desire to hold a poison snake, swim with sharks, or date a woman.

If we listen to a female at all, It's no longer to find out if they're crazy, we know they're crazy, It's to find out what flavor.

[Anonymous 22]

It is the only way. Women would have to make a radical change in their behavior before any kind of relationship is possible. I’m not comfortable being around someone who acts like a teenager in public, has no manners, is trying to shame me whenever I disagree with her etc.

So many things wrong in today’s woman.

[RennieParticipant]

Agreed. The only sane and logical choice anymore.

I will also be single for life. Now I just find the whole business including the thought of it, mentally exhausting. Makes me want to have a long nap instead.

[AnthonyParticipant 2281]

MGTOW is the only way. Being UNMARRIED is the best possible way to live your life.

Couples fight like little kids anyway. Who’d want that for the rest of their lives? Too much bulls~~~ for me.

Even if we were back in the 1950s, I doubt I’d ever be a tradcon. Tradcon women are even worse than SJWs in some ways.

Once you have a Fleshlight real vaginas become worthless.

[ConstantineParticipant 4416]

15 years ago I was already noticing some of the toxic directions that feminism was encouraging women to go in. I had a girlfriend back then, who was definitely one of my saner girlfriends. But even at that time, I can remember taking note of what was happening, and thinking, “You know, if they keep acting this way, they’re going to drive men away completely. But hopefully it won’t come to that. Can’t see things going that sour.”

So MGTOW is the only way, because they’ve systematically proven to me – and everybody else here – why they didn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt. If they had any decency at all, they would have quit while they were ahead and realised the damage that they were doing. Never did. So now it’s 15 years later and I won’t be doing the girlfriend thing again, because so much of that period has exposed what the c~~~s are truly like.

They dug their own graves with a bloody fork and spoon and now society can die a putrid rotten death.

To see what is in front of one's nose requires a constant struggle. -Orwell

[BadgerParticipant 2277]

Anthony wrote:

Even if we were back in the 1950s, I doubt I’d ever be a tradcon. Tradcon women are even worse than SJWs in some ways.

I was there in the 1950s, and men were slaves then too. Divorce was less acceptable, but that did not mean that marriage was any better for the men. The women did know how to cook and run a household better though, so there was some semblance of them contributing more to the marriage. I don’t remember any happy married men back then.

[Anonymous 0]

Marriage in the old days wasn’t any picnic. If you couldn’t divorce, marriage became a prison for both parties. It was like a cage match to see who could wear down whom. Watch the old black-and-white “The Honeymooner” TV series with Jackie Gleason. Ralph Cramden would put his fist in Alice’s face and yell at her, “One of these days, Alice, one of these days….BAM!”

In real life, guys would threaten violence, plates would get thrown during arguments, and sometimes even the kitchen knives would come out. I remember my parents going at it, and things got pretty wild.

Thing was, the women generally won. The women owned the home; it was their home turf. The man came home exhausted from work, the woman would start dogging him and nagging him, and the man would ultimately flee the home just to get some peace. See the following cartoon by James Thurber from back in the 1930s or 1940s (bottom of the post).

So yeah, the old days sucked too. When divorces were rare or nonexistent, it was like a constant cage match. No one gets out alive. And women *like* stirring up drama and strife. When they stay home all day, they’re bored little princesses in the evening looking to stir up trouble. Having divorced two wives, I personally consider the institution of divorce to be a lifesaver for men (except for the financial part, of course). Can’t imagine getting stuck literally “till death do us part” with a wife.

[Anonymous 42]

If someone forces you to play chess for your life, what fool isn’t gonna wanna learn to play?

Cultural Marxism has forced us to play for keeps!

The definition of MGTOW is CHECK F~~~ING MATE!

I didn’t wanna play gender war, they forced me to play, now it’s CHECK MATE, GAME OVER!

How about a nice game of checkers?

[TuneoutParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Marriage in the old days wasn’t any picnic. If you couldn’t divorce, marriage became a prison for both parties. It was like a cage match to see who could wear down whom. Watch the old black-and-white “The Honeymooner” TV series with Jackie Gleason. Ralph Cramden would put his fist in Alice’s face and yell at her, “One of these days, Alice, one of these days….BAM!”

In real life, guys would threaten violence, plates would get thrown during arguments, and sometimes even the kitchen knives would come out. I remember my parents going at it, and things got pretty wild.

Thing was, the women generally won. The women owned the home; it was their home turf. The man came home exhausted from work, the woman would start dogging him and nagging him, and the man would ultimately flee the home just to get some peace. See the following cartoon by James Thurber from back in the 1930s or 1940s (bottom of the post).

So yeah, the old days sucked too. When divorces were rare or nonexistent, it was like a constant cage match. No one gets out alive. And women *like* stirring up drama and strife. When they stay home all day, they’re bored little princesses in the evening looking to stir up trouble. Having divorced two wives, I personally consider the institution of divorce to be a lifesaver for men (except for the financial part, of course). Can’t imagine getting stuck literally “till death do us part” with a wife.

Still by in large women were more under control and in control of themselves,you didn’t have all the liberal SJW BS of today either. The freaks stayed in the closet, kids were disciplined properly and generally more respectful, schools were strict and well run institutions of learning-not lib propaganda machines.
We (North America) were still an industrial manufacturing power house,jobs were good and long term.
The only real global threat back then was the Ruskies,none of this home grown,radicalized terror BS.
We didn’t have or need one million f~~~ing lawyers in the country to solve every little situation-only just to complicated more. We had respect for the non-militarized police force and vice versa.Most of all a hard working man was respected back then,even in pop TV shows-now look at our so called ‘entertainment’.
Yes I’m a dinosaur just waiting for that big ‘ol meteor!
LOL

Lifes a bitch,but you don't have to marry one!

[narwhalParticipant]

I’d like to think there is some sort of equilibrium, but I can’t figure out what that would even look like. I want to say that if laws were changed towards a true equality, or something that was geared towards a productive society given the nature of men and women, then we could get there. The problem is, the combination of manipulative women and white knight men will always be there to throw things out of balance.

Perhaps something could work where men and women are no longer considered equal, where women return to a status somewhere between a man and a child, but I don’t see how you could get that cat back in the bag.

Ok. Then do it.

[Anonymous 0]

Tuneout wrote:

Still by in large women were more under control and in control of themselves,you didn’t have all the liberal SJW BS of today either. The freaks stayed in the closet, kids were disciplined properly and generally more respectful, schools were strict and well run institutions of learning-not lib propaganda machines.
We (North America) were still an industrial manufacturing power house,jobs were good and long term.
The only real global threat back then was the Ruskies,none of this home grown,radicalized terror BS.
We didn’t have or need one million f~~~ing lawyers in the country to solve every little situation-only just to complicated more. We had respect for the non-militarized police force and vice versa.Most of all a hard working man was respected back then,even in pop TV shows-now look at our so called ‘entertainment’.
Yes I’m a dinosaur just waiting for that big ‘ol meteor!
LOL

I’m not addressing all the cultural and economic changes that have occurred in the last 50 years. A lot of those have inertia of their own and don’t really concern the institution of marriage specifically.

I’m just saying that going back to the 50s or earlier isn’t necessarily an answer to the current problems with marriage. Chaining a woman in the home just kept her in an artificially infantile stage–she didn’t have a clue how the real world worked. She got bored, popped pills, turned into a drunk, nagged her husband, etc.

A lot of those old-time marriages were pretty f~~~ing miserable for all involved. The men put up with it, because there was no choice for them either. They were chained to the marriage as much as the woman. And then the man died at age 50 from stress and overwork, and the wife walked away with the life insurance. 🙂

That’s how marriage ended in the old days: Millions of widows moving to Florida with the husband’s life insurance. Not a great deal for the men.

[Anonymous 0]

narwhal wrote:

I’d like to think there is some sort of equilibrium, but I can’t figure out what that would even look like. I want to say that if laws were changed towards a true equality, or something that was geared towards a productive society given the nature of men and women, then we could get there. The problem is, the combination of manipulative women and white knight men will always be there to throw things out of balance.

Perhaps something could work where men and women are no longer considered equal, where women return to a status somewhere between a man and a child, but I don’t see how you could get that cat back in the bag.

In a way, I think it’s good that woman are out in the working world. It forces them to grow up a bit and behave like real adults.

As for me, I think a big change would be to reform divorce laws so that the woman has to go back to work if there’s a divorce. No more marriage/divorce windfall for women. Give her some kind of flat allowance or sum for years served and kids; but if she didn’t contribute monetarily, then she doesn’t get half. Make it *really* equal. The man has to work after a divorce, so the woman should too. If they can’t make the marriage work, the woman can damned well go to a trade school, get a trade, and support herself, like a man. Or she can go flip burgers if she’s too lazy to go to school.

That would help make women treat marriage a little more seriously. Let women face *real* equality, including all the liabilities and penalties that men face.

And until that happens: MGTOW.

[RASmanParticipant 1994]

[TaxGuyParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

narwhal wrote:

I’d like to think there is some sort of equilibrium, but I can’t figure out what that would even look like. I want to say that if laws were changed towards a true equality, or something that was geared towards a productive society given the nature of men and women, then we could get there. The problem is, the combination of manipulative women and white knight men will always be there to throw things out of balance.

Perhaps something could work where men and women are no longer considered equal, where women return to a status somewhere between a man and a child, but I don’t see how you could get that cat back in the bag.

In a way, I think it’s good that woman are out in the working world. It forces them to grow up a bit and behave like real adults.

As for me, I think a big change would be to reform divorce laws so that the woman has to go back to work if there’s a divorce. No more marriage/divorce windfall for women. Make it really equal. The man has to work after a divorce, so the woman should too. If they can’t make the marriage work, the woman can damned well go to a trade school, get a trade, and support herself, like a man. Or she can go flip burgers if she’s too lazy to go to school.

That would help make women treat marriage a little more seriously. Let women face *real* equality, including all the liabilities and penalties that men face.

And until that happens: MGTOW.

I agree completely. I’d just add that, when reading this thread, what occurs to me is that women aren’t content with the traditional marriage and they aren’t content with the modern marriage. In short, women don’t know what the hell they want (I know, a shocking revelation).

Men weren’t / aren’t happy either, but at least we generally make an effort to try to make a woman happy. And women now seem to only be attracted to guys who treat them like s~~~. So they think all guys are assholes because they chase the 20% of us that are assholes.

So, until women figure out what it takes to be happy, the only logical solution is to walk away from the game. It’s women’s turn to put in a little effort to make the game have some benefit to a man other than a meat hole.

If the best thing you bring to the table is a vagina, expect to be treated like a whore….

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