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Having subscribed to the ideal of not being around women you will undoubtedly find more time for yourself. The key to being a mgtow isn’t just being away from women and knowing their nature, but it also involves self-development. Your body is your greatest asset and taking care of it is the key to your future success.
I urge all mgtows of all ages to stay in shape or get in shape. You do not need to be a Luimarco, but you shouldn’t be 30+pounds overweight either. Being male, we can lose weight rather quickly. Just stop drinking calories and you will lose a few pounds in a few weeks. Stop eating late and stop buying prepared food. Be aware of your caloric intake and you’ll lose a lot of weight in short order.
You all should aim for 7 minute miles, being able to do 50 sit-ups, and 50 push-up. No need to have monster biceps, cut abs, or having monster quads. Just be fit. I hope many of us mgtow are mgtow because of their experience with women rather than not have experience with females.
I subscribe to the idea that a mgtow is a man that pushes woman away, rather than is pushed away by women. We can never change a system that doesn’t care that obese men are not participating, I bet if Brad Pitt shunned women away the world would take notice. Develop a healthy body and be a mgtow that women want to be with, rather than a mgtow women never want be with. This is the only way to change the system and if it doesn’t work at least you all will have your health, which isn’t a bad consolation prize.
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."
Abraham LincolnTotally agree about the being in shape thing, and it’s a great point to set reasonable limits. It’s absolutely true that reducing caloric intake will result in weight loss. Eat less and your body will naturally adjust it’s expectations for food – at first you will feel hungry but soon (a few days) the appetite will fade. My favourite workout is going on an hour and a half ride through some trails on my mountain bike. Just a perfect distance for the workout to do some good, but not so long that I can’t do it nearly every day.
Being strong both mentally and physically is a key to getting the most out of life. Being fully content and confident in yourself is the reward that comes with going your own way.
I’m not pushed away by women, nor do I push them away. I just walk through through the market with a full belly – my desire for companionship is completely satiated.
Mountain biking is a blast, but I chew through wheels man. I can’t afford the 3k systems that have redic wheels, I’m in the 800-1k range and I can never keep true wheels longer than 6 months.
Being strong both mentally and physically is a key to getting the most out of life. Being fully content and confident in yourself is the reward that comes with going your own way.
Well said and I concur. As far as you being content no doubt that comes from self confidence and being content with yourself. Which one of the many aspects mgtow men grow into or aspire to. Yet I’m finding a small percentage of mgtow lack the inherent confidence a strong body brings. Its wonderful they’re working on breaking away from women, but they never truly broke away because they were never desired. Judging by your post and replies your a person who can articulate themselves and I want to propose a challenging set of questions to you.
Can an undesired male be a real mghow? I’m not implying the man needed to be in a f~~~ed up relationship which drove him to stay away from women, no matter how undesirable he is. Rather he can’t get women, can he be a mghow?
Mtow’s are afforded a considerable amount of free time, is it acceptable for any of us to be grossly unfit?
Lastly a question not referring to fitness. Does the mgtow community lack the brother hood aspect? As in if a mghow got into a position of authority do you believe he will be inclined, within the limits of the law of course, to promote men within that agency?
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."
Abraham Lincoln
Anonymous42I’m eating my own vegetables, soon fruits, have my own layer chickens, and by next year I’ll be making goat cheese, and drinking unmolested goats milk. I never eat fast foods, and I freeze my fruits and vegetables that last sometimes to the next harvest, I’m also thinking about turkey for slaughter. I have a real nice skinning and butcher knife kit.
I was going to slaughter Borg goats I raised for meat, but they were too friendly and became like dogs. Who could butcher their own dog, then eat it?
That’s a lot of good work brother. You can make some real killer jerky too. Eating real food is so much better for you. The last time I ate fast food, subway, was 7 months ago and it got me feeling ill all day. Your farm puts you in a prime position to survive the coming Zombie Apocalypse.
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."
Abraham Lincolnyes brothers ,be your best ,the pain of divorce , seperation from a child , family that fails to understand ., all are terrible stressors.finding yourself on your own..no safety net , is scary as hell. time passes and little by little you re-gain control of your life. a focus on health gives you something to focus on besides pain.these women have become poison..i utilize various techniques to cleanse / heal ..i will start a thread on my routines soon..nothing extreme , just trying to be smarter about health..after all , the ex would party even harder with me sick or dead ! f~~~ that ! live well as you can ..
Can an undesired male be a real mghow?
What does it mean to be “undesired”? As far as I know I’m undesired with respect to great number of things. As far as women are concerned I’m certainly not receiving anonymous love letters, and no one is calling me up asking to go out on dates. I’m sure I could change that if I wanted to, but what would be the point of putting myself out there, exchanging numbers, flirting, dressing in fashionable clothes, or any of the other contortions required to be a social butterfly, if I’m just going to go my own way regardless? NOT have anyone desire me is exactly what I want.
On the other hand I do get a lot of calls asking me to place bids on projects. So my particular set of skills appear to be desired by more than a few people, and some of them are women. I also put a lot of effort into making sure people get to know me for my skills – I put myself out there, exchange numbers, dress in fashionable clothes, travel around. This type of desire is EXACTLY what I want.
… he can’t get women, can he be a mghow?
This is actually how a lot of women think – they are under the impression that because they have a vagina and a pair of t~~~ they are somehow entitled or deserving of attention. Attractive women can become absolutely incensed if you refuse to give them any attention, make any concessions on their behalf, or otherwise decline to make them feel the least bit DESIRED.
Why should men get a kick out of being able to “get women” based solely on how they look? Real Men don’t need that s~~~ in order to justify themselves.
Mtow’s are afforded a considerable amount of free time, is it acceptable for any of us to be grossly unfit?
Some cultures see being fat or overweight as a sign of prosperity and contentedness – think of all those laughing Buddha statues.
That being said I would always recommend being reasonably fit, just because I see it as being integral to my personal happiness and I know it benefits many others – I would have a hard time believing anyone who says “I’m happier to be unfit and obese”.
If you know of an area where you can improve yourself, then it behooves you to make an effort to realize that improvement. But that has nothing to do with MGTOW – that’s just part of my personal set of values.
Does the mgtow community lack the brother hood aspect? As in if a mghow got into a position of authority do you believe he will be inclined, within the limits of the law of course, to promote men within that agency?
No idea. MGTOW does not promote a particular political agenda.
Can an undesired male be a real mghow? What does it mean to be “undesired”? As far as I know I’m undesired with respect to great number of things. As far as women are concerned I’m certainly not receiving anonymous love letters, and no one is calling me up asking to go out on dates. I’m sure I could change that if I wanted to, but what would be the point of putting myself out there, exchanging numbers, flirting, dressing in fashionable clothes, or any of the other contortions required to be a social butterfly, if I’m just going to go my own way regardless? NOT have anyone desire me is exactly what I want. On the other hand I do get a lot of calls asking me to place bids on projects. So my particular set of skills appear to be desired by more than a few people, and some of them are women. I also put a lot of effort into making sure people get to know me for my skills – I put myself out there, exchange numbers, dress in fashionable clothes, travel around. This type of desire is EXACTLY what I want.
I’d like to widdle it down if I may, since I left it to vague. Your response will allow me to hone in the question. You don’t need to be a social butterfly to be desirable, but my question stems from mgtows that have no value (monetary , appearance, physical, skillset, personality, etc all falling under “assets”) who withdraw into mgtow due to their lack of assets. Are they mgtow because they opt’ed out or were they never in the running due to lacking. What ever issues each person has, when it comes to women assets speak volumes. So if a mgtow doesn’t have any assets to attract women is he a real man going his own way?
Mgtow implies the man is making his path rather than once chosen for him(blue pill.) A path that rejected males have to go rather, isolation from women, than choosing it.
I say he can not, if a man has zero value to attract women how can he “opt” out if he was never accounted for. <span style=”line-height: 1.5;”> I’m not implying he needs to be a part of the game, rather he needs to be able to play. Its his choice to make if he participates rather than be excluded automatically. I’ll write out the picture I see when thinking about this topic. </span>
<span style=”line-height: 1.5;”>Theirs a football game on the playground and women get to choose who is on their team. These women go around picking their men to participate. The mgtow would be picked and he says, “No thanks ladies, I’m not into playing your game because (enter Mgtow female nature topics)” While the men left behind scream “Yeah were not playing because mgtow! The guys that play are blue pills!” Are the left behind males real mgtow? Once again they never had a choice to participate, it was chosen for them. So how can they take up the flag of “opting out?”</span>
Does the mgtow community lack the brother hood aspect? As in if a mghow got into a position of authority do you believe he will be inclined, within the limits of the law of course, to promote men within that agency? No idea. MGTOW does not promote a particular political agenda.
That’s was I was afraid of, perhaps mgtow needs to promote a support system within its mantra. I dare to say very few people within mgtow are mgtow by waking up to the world without some help from the wealth of knowledge on the net. Prior to the internet each mans battle was his and his alone. Once the net came to prominence these men saw they weren’t alone and in time pockets of “male” resistance have popped up leading to mgtow and the overall criticisms of feminism. It would be ideal that mgtow promote men helping each other beyond the internet world, granted it will need to be rather secretive.
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."
Abraham Lincolnmy question stems from mgtows that have no value (monetary , appearance, physical, skillset, personality, etc all falling under “assets”) who withdraw into mgtow due to their lack of assets. Are they mgtow because they opt’ed out or were they never in the running due to lacking.
I get what you are saying, but it’s probably not a useful corner case to look at. Virtually everyone has some kind of asset. It can be as simple as a sense of humour. Given the right time and the right opportunity paths will cross and, all of a sudden, the guy who “wasn’t picked for the team” manages to score a goal. The only question is how long are you willing to play, how long are you willing to let that game carve a chunk out of your life and sense of self worth? I don’t blame men at all who just say “f~~~ it”.
I gave two examples of desire (being desirable as a potential mate vs being desirable as a potential business partner) because they are superficially similar (both can provide a sense of accomplishment and self worth), but fundamentally require you to play by very different rules in order to be successful. In other words, there is more than one (or two) games out there.
MGTOW’s have the freedom to decide what rules, which game, provides them happiness and a sense of self worth. You DEFINITELY don’t need to be able to “walk away from women” in order to go your own way. It’s not US vs THEM. It’s each man for himself. Nothing more.
Well put, I need to adjust my stance a bit. I still believe all mgtow need to focus on health but I will no longer feel some are opting out due to never being “picked.”
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."
Abraham LincolnThey were great questions and it was fun to think about them. I’m fairly new to this site and my thoughts are changing too as time goes by. Lots of interesting points of view here. Welcome to forum!
DON’T EAT FAST FOOD!!
Not eating the toxic waste known as fast food should be a given. This s~~~ is bad for you in a whole bunch of ways.
Also just drink water. I use flavor packets to make it not so boring, but I still just drink water.
Diet alone can drop some weight off and keep it off.
As far as keeping in shape, it all depends on the goals. But for general purposes not including gyms and weights, I’d say no less than 3 to 4 miles per day of cardio and a couple hundred situps and pushups per day as a minimum. There’s obviously room for plenty more, but that’s what I would say should be an achievable and sustainable goal for most men as a minimum to stay fit. Cardio, pushups, situps. Nothing required for any of this aside from motivation and willower. Not a dime spent.
Supplement some protein powder in the morning and after your workout. Also a good multivitamin.
And again…DON’T EAT FAST FOOD!!!
I stumbled across this blog just today: http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2015/07/you-dont-have-to-train-in-gym-to-be.html I am taking its message to heart.
Avoid fast food. Be suspicious of anything that comes in a box, can, or through a drive up window. Read the label, if it has words that only a chemist can pronounce, then keep shopping. I am totally convinced doing this reversed some serious health problems.
I take vitamins and other supplements, and I am totally convinced, again, it reversed some serious health problems.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
I agree, it is imoportant for me to workout hard. It makes me feel good! It makes me healthy! It gives me great posture and i dont get hurt when doing stuff. Also i work part time in the military in a very physical demanding environment where we haul alot of heavy s~~~ deep in the forest and use it to practise combat.
I like the idea of flipping the table, let them want me. Im the f~~~ing prize they cant get. I have been thinking these thoughts lately.
My response to women nowadays is: Im not interested.Keep clam i'm dyslexic.
I’m going to stay tuned for you thread. I’m overweight myself and it sucks. I also concur that mgtow’s that have no desiring traits that attract women swallow a bitter tasting red pill then ones who don’t.
Well the good news is you’re a man! Just focus on eating better and doing the basic workouts. If you stop eating badly and work out 4 hours a week, you can lose serious weight. Its in your hands Kimblems! As men we also need to be aware of Testosterone (T). The fatter we are the less we produce, testosterone is your life force. Working out raises T level and having more muscle builds T.
For men a good weight lose meal plan isn’t just eating less food. We need to focus on eating foods that wont hurt testosterone.Foods that hurt testosterone. Dairy, sugar, soy, high fat food, and alcohol. How much of those do you eat everyday and how long have you eaten them? These take a toll on your manly essence.
Start off small, remove one of the T killers every two weeks. Throw in a light rework out, whatever gets your heartbeat high and doesn’t get you hurt. You will lose weight.
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."
Abraham Lincoln
Anonymous5Eat like a diabetic and you’ll avoid all aspects of metabolic syndrome, including subcutaneous fat, which is incidently the least harmful symptom.
The Germans had the science of the obesity epidemic whipped before World War ll. They were light years ahead of the rest of the world in the adipose disorders and just about every other facet of science. To give an example, most if not all people think the space race was between the Americans and the Russians after World War ll but anyone who does any type of research quickly learns the race was between the Germans who worked for the Americans and the Germans who worked for the Russians.
However, because of the immense unpopularity of the Germans after the war and the lack of funds to translate, the vast bulk of research outside of physics and chemistry was either ignored or discredited.
In the early 1900’s Gustav Von Burgman made the observation that it wasn’t just calories that caused obesity, but what the body did with the calories, either stored them or use them and the types of food, especially processed carbohydrates, including and especially sugar, seemed to be the culprits when it came to the body storing calories.
Gustav Von Burgman was no quack and even today the highest award in medicine in Germany is The Gustav Von Burgman medal.Processed carbohydrates unnaturally raise glucose levels causing pancreatic flushes of insulin which quickly lower glucose levels to below “normal” causing us to be hungry again within an hour or so. Insulin levels tend to remain high causing the body to be in a constant “store fat” mode which tends to overpower the ghrelin/leptin regulators. However, there’s a big dopamine factor involved as well and as anyone knows who’s dealt with any type of addiction, our dopamine receptors quickly become resistant causing us to increase intake of a dopamine inducing source to recreate the dopamine high.
STEP 1: Read Gary Taubes “Why we get fat” It’s necessary to understand the political/scientific process as to how we got to believe it was fat and not processed carbs that was causing the obesity pandemic. There’s a free PDF download somewhere online, and if you really like the book I recommend you get his original hard copy book “Good Calories Bad Calories” It’s a terrific book!
Just google some short Taubes articles online as well. He’s done a lot of articles for the New York Times.STEP 2: there’s loads of terrific videos on Youtube about the real reason we got fat. Dr Robert Lustig is the best start and I think Dr Peter Attia has a few too but Attias true speciality is ketosis. There’s lots of documentary’s online. Some of the best are “The Men Who Made Us Fat” and The Men Who Made Us Thin” I know a lot more but can’t think of them right now.
STEP 3: The net is full of sites with countless numbers of terrific Diabetic, Paleo, Mediterranean, Atkins recipes. All these diets are successful long term because they all cut out or severely reduce processed carb insulin producing reactions that give dopamine and blood glucose level highs. (Which is almost every meal we have now, starting with breakfast)
Over the last days of my marriage I had become f~~~ing sick. I was fat, I was a drunk, smoked like a chimney. I had pre-diabetes and was diagnosed hypothyroidism since I was 8.
Being on your way is loving yourself, and then acknowledging that some things – people included -, are bad for you. And let go of that s~~~.
I never thought I’d be in the best shape I’ve ever had, at 40. Divorced with a 6 pack. Is that great or what …
And It’s basically a mix of discipline, some paradigm shifts – huge ones – and believing in yourself.
I made a report that you can download for free that tells how I did it, hope it works for you as well.
Because It is possible,
I like what you have to say about weight and being in shape. I think we as men are sold an image of super fit men as the normal. Most of us have jobs and lives, and simply can’t spend hours in the gym. It might take time, but all of us can improve, especially now since we have freed ourselves of the anchor around our necks that is woman.
I’m 57, have had an MI, 3 heart Caths and a stent. I’m 5’7″ was 250 lbs when I got the stent. I am diabetic and only have 30% of kidney function left. I have started the Atkins diet with my Nephrologists permission. I was worried about all the protein on the kidneys and he said the health advantages of weight loss far out weigh the hit on th kidneys by protein and He will be checking to see if I spill any protein. I’m never hungry, I’m already down almost 20 pounds and have started hitting. my treadmill 40 minutes a day. I would like to get into weight lifting again but won’t until I get the docs ok on that one. You can get in pretty good shape from sit-ups and push-ups. Still gotta figure out what to do with the legs.
Discipline and stick to it iveness are the big ones for me. I got in shape in my 20’s and now I want to go there again.
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