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Anonymous1That’s really all men have to do. We don’t have to ignore women, we don’t have to stay away from them, and we can even be friends with them.
I disagree. I don’t think a man should isolate himself, but just not marrying does not mean you are free. You can still be single and be a SIMP. Be a pussy beggar. You do what is good for YOU. It is not about “marriage strike” either, since a strike would imply we eould go back. I can’t speak for anyone else here, but I am not getting married… EVER. If you still give women attention or if you still bendo over and jump through hoops to please a woman, than you are still a blue pill. And, ironically enough, that kind of behaviour is the type of behavior that will eventually bite you in the ass (since she will use you and than kick you to the curb).
In a nutshell: no, not marrying is not enough. NOT PANDERING TO WOMEN is.
In fact, even if they choose to be submissive, is still a bad deal for men! I mean, they would still have to be cared for, and thus, men would have to sacrifice their lives so women could have theirs. Do you really think pussy/sex/female validation is worth your life? If you do, I wish you luck, because you will need it. The only way I would have a relationship, is with a women that is an adult, with all the rights and RESPONSABILITIES that implies. Nothing against her being submissive part in bed, but on life? Give me a break. She better pull her weight through and if necessary be there for me the same way I would be there for her. That is called EQUIVALENT EXCHANGE. So that would leave women with 1 option: grow the hell up. Or don’t. Here is the beauty of going your own way: it doesn’t matter for you.
Which brings me to the OP: yes some cracks might be happening to the “matrix”, but it still stands and there is nothing that indicates that it will ever brake though. If we go back to traditionalism (and I think that is what many men want), than we are back where we started and the cycle will start again. This Mgtow phenomena is not new. See Rome, Sparta and other ancient cultures that were extinct. The difference nowadays is the SCOPE. On ancient times, when a culture would reach the position we are now, a more traditional culture would take over. On the modern age though, because of the way we can exchange information, men are waking up on different parts of the world at the same time. At short term this will only be an inconvinience, but on the long term? Who knows? I believe we are witnessing the NIMH experiments on the human race, which is why I say Mgtow is a phenomena more than a movement. And I don’t think this is a bad thing. The old paradigm counts on men’s sacrifice for the good of the collective, with the only reward being a tap on the back. And it pains me a little to see that there many men, inlcuding a growing number using the Mgtow label, that are happy with that and wish to return to the “old days”. I say: f~~~ the old days! I want a life of my own and if “civilization” survival depends on me giving up on my life, than I guess it is the end of civilization! So, although it is a good thing to see the current system cracking, my advice would be: don’t celebrate just yet, and take care of your own life. That are many ways things could end up, and that includes going back to traditionalism, where women are treated like children and men are, once again, expected to sacrifice their lives for the “greater good”.
Anyway, that is my take on it
Cheers.
At the moment you can see the rebellion against women, I was talking to couple guys at work, one is in a relationship, and let’s just say, we didn’t disagree anything on women in fact they added there two cents, we’re as a country are not quite their but we will get there, it’s how long?
I think women are becoming sexual frustrated in the process, I over hear women say “I haven’t had it (sex) in a while.
Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.
Anonymous0In a nutshell: no, not marrying is not enough. NOT PANDERING TO WOMEN is.
You mentioned the magic word NO
That’s really all men have to do. We don’t have to ignore women, we don’t have to stay away from them, and we can even be friends with them.
I disagree. I don’t think a man should isolate himself, but just not marrying does not mean you are free. You can still be single and be a SIMP. Be a pussy beggar. You do what is good for YOU. It is not about “marriage strike” either, since a strike would imply we eould go back. I can’t speak for anyone else here, but I am not getting married… EVER. If you still give women attention or if you still bendo over and jump through hoops to please a woman, than you are still a blue pill. And, ironically enough, that kind of behaviour is the type of behavior that will eventually bite you in the ass (since she will use you and than kick you to the curb).
In a nutshell: no, not marrying is not enough. NOT PANDERING TO WOMEN is.
In fact, even if they choose to be submissive, is still a bad deal for men! I mean, they would still have to be cared for, and thus, men would have to sacrifice their lives so women could have theirs. Do you really think pussy/sex/female validation is worth your life? If you do, I wish you luck, because you will need it. The only way I would have a relationship, is with a women that is an adult, with all the rights and RESPONSABILITIES that implies. Nothing against her being submissive part in bed, but on life? Give me a break. She better pull her weight through and if necessary be there for me the same way I would be there for her. That is called EQUIVALENT EXCHANGE. So that would leave women with 1 option: grow the hell up. Or don’t. Here is the beauty of going your own way: it doesn’t matter for you.
Which brings me to the OP: yes some cracks might be happening to the “matrix”, but it still stands and there is nothing that indicates that it will ever brake though. If we go back to traditionalism (and I think that is what many men want), than we are back where we started and the cycle will start again. This Mgtow phenomena is not new. See Rome, Sparta and other ancient cultures that were extinct. The difference nowadays is the SCOPE. On ancient times, when a culture would reach the position we are now, a more traditional culture would take over. On the modern age though, because of the way we can exchange information, men are waking up on different parts of the world at the same time. At short term this will only be an inconvinience, but on the long term? Who knows? I believe we are witnessing the NIMH experiments on the human race, which is why I say Mgtow is a phenomena more than a movement. And I don’t think this is a bad thing. The old paradigm counts on men’s sacrifice for the good of the collective, with the only reward being a tap on the back. And it pains me a little to see that there many men, inlcuding a growing number using the Mgtow label, that are happy with that and wish to return to the “old days”. I say: f~~~ the old days! I want a life of my own and if “civilization” survival depends on me giving up on my life, than I guess it is the end of civilization! So, although it is a good thing to see the current system cracking, my advice would be: don’t celebrate just yet, and take care of your own life. That are many ways things could end up, and that includes going back to traditionalism, where women are treated like children and men are, once again, expected to sacrifice their lives for the “greater good”.
Anyway, that is my take on it
Cheers.
Misunderstanding. I was trying to mention all that would be needed for drastic social change to occur, and how that change would impact most relationships.
I wasn’t really trying to make the point that this would be the end of the struggle, more about not marrying being the over powering force over the dominant role of females in courts and the workforce.
It would only slightly change the role of relationships with women on an individual basis.
Besides I’m one of the biggest ass holes to women on these boards. I get pleasure out of passing them off in bars.
OP it’s great you are enthusiastic about mgtow’s impact but you must be realistic. In the west the declining birth rates do show that mrn are getting married less and women are growing more and more unsatisfied with the choices of men presented to them. Its not just thar numbers of.men not marrying are small but that men are doing it for the wrong reasons. Most of my single friends are waiting for marriage till their 30s not because women aren’t worth their time in their 20s but because these guys want to get jobs get money buy a house get a car make some investment and THEN WASTE IT ALL ON SOME 30 YEAR OLD WOMAN ONCE THEY GET MARRIED! How insane is that? Men are saving more resources today so they have more to show women wen the time comes for dating. The standard of living in the us is increasing and women want more and more and more. Mgtow will explode once living standards become to much for both men and women to bear. But for now it’s still small.
I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.
: the men you describe are the ones thinking if I get hitched, then they think sex is much easier, and it isnt. When women see this thirsty for sex, they’ll use it.
Trick is, don’t show them the way, just lead the way, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink.More women demand, more the supply of men will shrink.
Women’s behavior will always work in mgtow favor.The brilliance of mgtow, is we want nothing from women, it will always be a win, win situation.
Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.
The feminist matrix is dying on its own.
If there is no host, the parasite dies.
Anonymous18I can get my red pills in reverse order. Seeing the washed up mid-40’s women at local stores/shopping malls. There is something undeniably desperate about them. Perhaps it stems from her observing other less attractive females still with a man. Perhaps it is just loneliness. I often feel sorry but I am no fool to think that she was an innocent bystander. Plenty of opportunities and nice guys walked in her life at one point.
I also see the short shorts type trotting around like she is some prize to be had by the highest bidder. I can almost extrapolate her life to that of a washed up 45-year old desperately striking up a conversation with anyone around. Exceptions do exist. But at times I wish exceptions make exceptions for the man-eaters out there.
Stay clear.
I think we’re a long way away from gaining any traction but i’d prefer to see a slow and steady increace over a number of years rather than a steep influx followed by half arsed followers going back to the blue pill at the first sniff of pussy.
We don’t need to do anything to unplug men, feminists are doing it for us. The irony is that they’re incapable of fixing society because all they can really do is demand more legistlation/ laws against men. The tighter they try to control men, the more men will just walk away from the table. It’s a circular problem and they think it can be fixed with more feminism. The bottom line is that a problem cannot be fixed from the conciousness that created it.
I won’t be around to see this system fall or change. I wish I was …. but these things … the fall of a dictatorship …. is a long slow process.
I The tighter they try to control men, the more men will just walk away from the table.
Just like this.
The single greatest effect men could have is unanimously not marrying. If every single male below the age of 35 declared a total marriage strike, serious social changes would ensue.
That’s really all men have to do. We don’t have to ignore women, we don’t have to stay away from them, and we can even be friends with them. All we would need to do is trash the institution of marriage and the house of cards crumbles. Women will have to make one of 2 choices….be on their own or be submissive. They wouldn’t be able to get away with s~~~ like they do now.
We don’t have to trash the institution of marriage, women and the government have already done that for us. As far as I’m concerned, I’m an atheist so whatever religious meaning marriage holds has no value to me. At one point in my life I wanted to marry based on traditionalist views…but when 50% of marriage end in divorce(filed by women 3/4 of the time), and there isn’t even any social stigma for a divorced person anymore whatever traditional views of marriage I once held are long gone. Add in the fact that same sex marriages have been legalized and that’s just the icing on the cake. If they ever change the marriage laws so high earning couples don’t get hit with a marriage tax penalty I’ll probably call one of my male friends up and see if they want to get married just so we can save some money on car insurance, health insurance, and taxes.
All that is left of marriage is a financial contract. Why on earth would I sign it when unless I find a woman with a higher net worth and higher earning potential, there is literally no benefit in it for me? All marriage means for me anymore is once I sign that contract, if I ever split with that woman for whatever reason…even if its totally her fault, I’m going to have to pay her to f~~~ off.
Plus even if marriage itself wasn’t totally f~~~ed up, it doesn’t change the fact that this current generation of women is mostly totally f~~~ed up. I don’t want a toxic feminist c~~~ in my life whether she is a wife or a girlfriend…the pussy isn’t worth the headache, the drama, and the baggage most women bring to the table. If I want pussy it just gets easier with age. I build more assets, advance my career, and as long as I keep myself fit my SMV is maintaining/increasing. They just get more desperate with age as their SMV plummets. They’re so dumb they can’t even see they are shooting themselves in the foot…I hope the 10-15 years of fun they had on the carousel is worth spending the next 40-50 years bitter with a bunch of cats to keep them company.
As much as i would want this to be true… i can’t see it anywhere…
Wait 10 years. I’m guessing you’re still in your 20s. Most of the effects of MGTOW on women aren’t seen until they hit their 30s. Add to that the fact that the number of MGTOW in their 20s is increasing far more now than it ever has before, and things look pretty bleak for the laydeez a decade from now. It doesn’t take much of a disparity between single men looking vs. single women to completely change gender social dynamics. Even a few percent is more than enough.
Does not affect all women in these countries but their government are starting to notice.
Economists are really taking notice, and they are scared s~~~less. Married men and men with children produce huge surpluses to keep their parasite wives happy and their children fed. Surpluses society has come to depend on. Single free men produce only enough for themselves. It doesn’t take a lot of single free men producing only enough for themselves to completely f~~~ an economy (for everyone except the single free men).
This is the single greatest effect MGTOW have on society. Not forgoing marriage but forgoing being good little consumable producers.
I also believe the numbers of MGHOW are too small to have any real effect.
Well from where I’m sitting, 100% of the men at my desk are MGTOW, and it’s had an enormous positive effect on my life. Why should I care about what effect it has on women or society or anyone else? That’s not my problem. Or my concern.
I then, notice the same man who walked inside with his child rushed back to open the door for her (blue piller)
As I went to pay for my gas and chatted with the cashier, the blond reappears at the other cash register, and as I turn to hand my gas money to the cashier, he quivers with delight in awe of the blond girl ( another blue piller).
I can guarantee that as the one man in the entire gas station not paying any attention to her, all her attention was riveted on you. If we had the gas station security camera footage I could prove it.
part of what make MGTOW so dangerous is that the large immediate personal benefits,
Also the personal benefits of Going Your Own Way are immediate and obvious, while the detriment to society are delayed and diffuse. This is why society isn’t going to change because of MGTOW; it will merely continue to collapse. But who gives a f~~~ about society?
Economists are really taking notice, and they are scared s~~~less. Married men and men with children produce huge surpluses to keep their parasite wives happy and their children fed. Surpluses society has come to depend on. Single free men produce only enough for themselves. It doesn’t take a lot of single free men producing only enough for themselves to completely f~~~ an economy (for everyone except the single free men).
This is the single greatest effect MGTOW have on society. Not forgoing marriage but forgoing being good little consumable producers.
This is without a doubt 100% correct. One of the things that makes me not give a f~~~ at all if I spend the rest of my days single and childless is the fact that if I go that route I could potentially be comfortably retired probably between 40-45 depending obviously on if my income stays at its current level and how kind the market is to me. I’m literally going to hit a certain level of net worth, and say f~~~ it, I’m done, move to a low cost of living area and get a solid 2 decades of relaxing and enjoying life before the average married guy can even think about retiring. It certainly is nice having 100% control over your income, assets, spending, and not have to worry about a divorce in any future planning!
Anonymous12The biggest problem Feminism has is trying to play both sides, they want and have Supremacy and yet they still also want to be the Victim. It’s all power without any responsibility, typical of anything Left Wing.
People see this and that is what is making the difference on the larger scale, MGTOW impacts women on an individual basis by denying them partners which in turn will create change in the long run. Immediately though it is the hypocrisy which is making Feminism look like a joke to all but the most rusted on Femnazi or Mangina.
god , i wish i found mgtow long ago…i would literally be retired and secure by now…however , mgtow has been a lifesaver to me , hope and the understanding of how to view being alone as FREEDOM , not loneliness.. !
The biggest problem Feminism has is trying to play both sides, they want and have Supremacy and yet they still also want to be the Victim. It’s all power without any responsibility, typical of anything Left Wing.
This is largely why I put no effort whatsoever into the dating game anymore. The whole process sickens me. As a man you have to put forth all the effort and bend over backwards, and if you perform adequately what’s your prize…and relations~~~ with her? Shouldn’t that go to the loser?
Now I wouldn’t have any problem with the traditional male gender role if women adhered to the traditional female gender role still, but if they want to weasel out of their role why should I bother fulfilling mine? I don’t have any problem with women being equals…but apparently women have a problem with equality.
People see this and that is what is making the difference on the larger scale, MGTOW impacts women on an individual basis by denying them partners which in turn will create change in the long run. Immediately though it is the hypocrisy which is making Feminism look like a joke to all but the most rusted on Femnazi or Mangina.
We’ll probably just end up with more bitter single mothers and more welfare programs. Society is really going to go down the s~~~ter when more and more hard working decent men are going to be shunning women in fear of losing their assets, and your loser thug bad boy types are going to be popping babies out to different women left and right because they have nothing to lose and don’t give a f~~~. In the end the decent guys will still pay…it will just be through tax money and welfare programs instead of family courts. Its going to be bad for society, but great for slutty irresponsible feminists. Oh well, I’m just glad if it goes down this way I’ll be dead from old age or too old to give a f~~~ about anything but trying to cop a feel on whatever nurse comes to bring me my lunch in the nursing home.(as long as its a female nurse)
god , i wish i found mgtow long ago…i would literally be retired and secure by now…however , mgtow has been a lifesaver to me , hope and the understanding of how to view being alone as FREEDOM , not loneliness.. !
Unless you have a longer-term big picture, the immediate will end up getting there, and pressing on you. A vision of the freedom helps, but without it, the loneliness will slip in. It happens, so I wouldn’t beat yourself up over it. You are there now, so I hope you have success running in it.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
This is without a doubt 100% correct.
And it’s assuming a sane economy. Throw in a few million welfare parasite baby mommas living off a bloated socialist nanny-state producing ever more welfare parasite baby mommas and you create a singularity of economic and societal collapse destined to fail even without Men Going Their Own Way.
One of the things that makes me not give a f~~~ at all if I spend the rest of my days single and childless is the fact that if I go that route I could potentially be comfortably retired probably between 40-45 depending obviously on if my income stays at its current level and how kind the market is to me.
And knowing what’s coming, why would you want to subject a child to it anyway?
This is largely why I put no effort whatsoever into the dating game anymore.
Success is inversely proportional to the effort expended anyways.
We’ll probably just end up with more bitter single mothers and more welfare programs.
Yep. Right up until we hit the economic singularity’s event horizon. Then everything collapses.
In the end the decent guys will still pay…it will just be through tax money and welfare programs instead of family courts.
Assuming they also haven’t Gone Their Own Way. You can’t get blood from a turnip. If someone tells me to work 10% harder so they can take 20% more from me, well I don’t know about you, but I’ll be spending even more time out riding. If that means I’m not a “decent guy”, so be it. I have no more f~~~s to give.
And neither do millions of other men. The tighter they try to squeeze men, the more men will simply Go Their Own Way.
If there is a war between men and women, women are winning hands down. College attendance rates are 65% female, 35% male. We elect leaders that must proclaim they are feminists to get elected. Women proclaim there is a war on women and the single motherhood rates are 40% for whites and 70% for blacks and this is at the desire of females, men are seen as not needed at all.
Men are losing badly.
I go my own way because I care about me. I post here to share my knowledge and learn from men also going their own way.
Leave the sex wars to the MRA’s. I no longer fight females, I ignore them.
#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
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