\"MGTOW is freedom\" your thoughts on this YT channel.

[supyo64Spectator 64]

Awesome!

[AwakenedParticipant 35200]

I literally just started BINGE watching his videos within the past few days, AND I ENJOY HIS CONTENT AND MESSAGE !!

I don’t smoke or drink, but for some reason I really like the vids where he’s enjoying a cigar and scotch while Talking the “TRUTH” sitting in front of his f-350.

Maybe he’s a member here ?? Ya just never know ???

P.S. My name’s NOT John.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[Pedal, run, rowParticipant]

supyo64 wrote:

No, I did ask what people think about him and I’m happy with exactly that. So thank you!

Thanks man.
He does have some good things to say, and I was subscribed for quite a while.

[supyo64Spectator 64]

It really kinda feels like your right there talking to him. I just love it!

“my names not john” What exactly do you mean?

[supyo64Spectator 64]

yeah man think whatever you want about him. I may not agree but who cares!

[bagsofsandParticipant 1391]

I think he is fantastic for getting the MGTOW message out there.

He’s one of the few that actually shows his face and that’s great for the public eye and getting some attention! Sure, he may SOUND bombastic at times, but he’s usually quite articulate and I’m sure he will grow a very large ‘fanbase’ with time with his authentic presentations.
He is very much in the moment, talking directly to his viewers. Yeah, it may actually feel like he’s talking WITH his viewers.

Even though his other YT channel is a couple years old, his MGTOW videos only go back 6 months or something like that, so he is certainly a workhorse in pumping out MGTOW videos and getting the subscribers and creating some discussion in his video comments!

[Anonymous 1]

Pedal, run, row wrote:

I was subscribed for a little while. He had some good things to say.

I just get a little tired of this one path being represented as winning as a MGTOW: drink booze all day and smoke cigars, eat lots of meat, get fat, worship material items/toys etc. Something about fat dudes talking and laughing about women hitting the wall seems really off/hypocritical.
I don’t mind guys choosing this path, if that is what they want. It just seems to be almost cliché to me at this point, and is being sold to younger men as the masculine way.
Nothing particularly masculine and empowering about having diabetes, erectile dysfunction, a failing liver, heart disease and needing medication, suffering years of preventable debilitating lifestyle induced diseases, or dying in your early 50’s.

That is just my opinion. He does have some good things to say.

I agree with PRR here, I like the content of that dude, but you cannot live by not caring about your health, be lazy and let you be the victim of deseases, and then laugh about women destroying themselves. For the simple fact that you are doing the same thing.
Let’s be brutally honest, if you are fat, lazy, and your brain is brainwashed by all that porn and videogames that you feed it with, then you are kinda off of the grid. You can look at the society, at women, and point everything that is wrong and is not working, truth is, who gives a f~~~? you must care primarly about yourself, other things comes and go: money, friends etc.
At the end of the day what you have left is yourself, so taking care of you should be priority number one.

MGTOW should not be an excuse to waste your time and life, it should be a reason to take the best out of it, not for the society, not for validation, but for yourself.

[AntipathyParticipant 4901]

It’s a good channel. i usually watch his vids while i intake my daily coffee.

[bagsofsandParticipant 1391]

Anonymous wrote:

Pedal, run, row wrote:

I was subscribed for a little while. He had some good things to say.

I just get a little tired of this one path being represented as winning as a MGTOW: drink booze all day and smoke cigars, eat lots of meat, get fat, worship material items/toys etc. Something about fat dudes talking and laughing about women hitting the wall seems really off/hypocritical.
I don’t mind guys choosing this path, if that is what they want. It just seems to be almost cliché to me at this point, and is being sold to younger men as the masculine way.
Nothing particularly masculine and empowering about having diabetes, erectile dysfunction, a failing liver, heart disease and needing medication, suffering years of preventable debilitating lifestyle induced diseases, or dying in your early 50’s.

That is just my opinion. He does have some good things to say.

I agree with PRR here, I like the content of that dude, but you cannot live by not caring about your health, be lazy and let you be the victim of deseases,

Well, I agree with the bolded, but how is this relevant to the “MGTOW is freedom” YouTube channel..?
John, the host and owner of the channel, is NOT lazy or unhealthy, is he? Something I’ve missed here?

AFAIK he works his ass off and “just” enjoys a scotch and a cigar as a stimulant/downer thing.
Would he be healthier w/o these cigars? Probably, but it’s not like it’s killing him 20 years before expected time…

I get it that a man should not drink and eat his way into an early grave, but I don’t think that’s what John exactly radiates here.

[Pedal, run, rowParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Pedal, run, row wrote:

I was subscribed for a little while. He had some good things to say.

I just get a little tired of this one path being represented as winning as a MGTOW: drink booze all day and smoke cigars, eat lots of meat, get fat, worship material items/toys etc. Something about fat dudes talking and laughing about women hitting the wall seems really off/hypocritical.
I don’t mind guys choosing this path, if that is what they want. It just seems to be almost cliché to me at this point, and is being sold to younger men as the masculine way.
Nothing particularly masculine and empowering about having diabetes, erectile dysfunction, a failing liver, heart disease and needing medication, suffering years of preventable debilitating lifestyle induced diseases, or dying in your early 50’s.

That is just my opinion. He does have some good things to say.

I agree with PRR here, I like the content of that dude, but you cannot live by not caring about your health, be lazy and let you be the victim of deseases, and then laugh about women destroying themselves. For the simple fact that you are doing the same thing.
Let’s be brutally honest, if you are fat, lazy, and your brain is brainwashed by all that porn and videogames that you feed it with, then you are kinda off of the grid. You can look at the society, at women, and point everything that is wrong and is not working, truth is, who gives a f~~~? you must care primarly about yourself, other things comes and go: money, friends etc.
At the end of the day what you have left is yourself, so taking care of you should be priority number one.

MGTOW should not be an excuse to waste your time and life, it should be a reason to take the best out of it, not for the society, not for validation, but for yourself.

Thanks Math.

You know, thinking more on this, maybe he will do a lot of good if he ends up being the one who after running into some health problems, realizes that he doesn’t want his MGTOW golden years to mean dependent on medication and shuffling to the doctors, and makes some changes and shares it with his followers.
He is obviously very intelligent and charismatic, and quite frankly I am rooting for the guy.

@ bagsofsand, maybe I am being a little unfair, but dude looks pretty jowly and has man boobs. He looks the way I did at his age, and seems to be living the same as well. I ended up with high BP, prediabetic, migraine headaches, my own cardiologist etc etc. A lot of that though was the fallout from an injured/debilitated back and not being able to workout.

Ended up being a huge wake up call for me. SO maybe I am just a little more wary of this trend of promoting unhealthy behaviors as the MGTOW way, even if just through visual imagery that plants the seed of “this is what MGTOW looks like”.

Just my opinion, formed by my own journey in my 53 years.

In fact, I am going to re-subscribe to his channel. It is unfair to place my own issue with health onto him.

For the record though: this guy is 62, and this is more how I want my golden years to look and be like.

So I retract my criticism of MGTOW is freedom. Not fair to hold him accountable for my frutstration at the growing trend in MGTOW to embrace unhealthy behaviors and associate them with uber masculinity.

[Anonymous 1]

bagsofsand wrote:

Math wrote:

Pedal, run, row wrote:

I was subscribed for a little while. He had some good things to say.

I just get a little tired of this one path being represented as winning as a MGTOW: drink booze all day and smoke cigars, eat lots of meat, get fat, worship material items/toys etc. Something about fat dudes talking and laughing about women hitting the wall seems really off/hypocritical.
I don’t mind guys choosing this path, if that is what they want. It just seems to be almost cliché to me at this point, and is being sold to younger men as the masculine way.
Nothing particularly masculine and empowering about having diabetes, erectile dysfunction, a failing liver, heart disease and needing medication, suffering years of preventable debilitating lifestyle induced diseases, or dying in your early 50’s.

That is just my opinion. He does have some good things to say.

I agree with PRR here, I like the content of that dude, but you cannot live by not caring about your health, be lazy and let you be the victim of deseases,

Well, I agree with the bolded, but how is this relevant to the “MGTOW is freedom” YouTube channel..?
John, the host and owner of the channel, is NOT lazy or unhealthy, is he? Something I’ve missed here?

AFAIK he works his ass off and “just” enjoys a scotch and a cigar as a stimulant/downer thing.
Would he be healthier w/o these cigars? Probably, but it’s not like it’s killing him 20 years before expected time…

I get it that a man should not drink and eat his way into an early grave, but I don’t think that’s what John exactly radiates here.

PRR has been more than clear on this, from what I can say about my experience, I’ve spent years ignoring my health and body, there were no long-time consequences. But in my late 20s I got tired of how things were going so I started fixing my issues and started working out each week(2-4 times, there were some weeks when I could do it 5-6 times, still bugs my mind the change I’ve gone through).

I think a lot of us had similar problems, maybe not everyone had weight problems, some had drugs, alcool, whatever. As a young man I missed someone who would tell me the harsh truth to my face and FORCE me to do something about it at the same time.

Men who had those experiences knows the difference between being healthy and unhealthy, and we know that being healthy is always the best choise: financially, phisically and in general.

I guess those words can close the issue:

Pedal, run, row wrote:

So I retract my criticism of MGTOW is freedom. Not fair to hold him accountable for my frutstration at the growing trend in MGTOW to embrace unhealthy behaviors and associate them with uber masculinity.

[Pedal, run, rowParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

I think a lot of us had similar problems, maybe not everyone had weight problems, some had drugs, alcool, whatever. As a young man I missed someone who would tell me the harsh truth to my face and FORCE me to do something about it at the same time.
Men who had those experiences knows the difference between being healthy and unhealthy, and we know that being healthy is always the best choise: financially, phisically and in general.

Again, thanks Math.

I cannot tell you how frustrating it was looking back and seeing myself sinking into poor health, and NO ONE SAID A F~~~ING WORD!
But they came out of the woodwork to try to throw a monkey wrench into my efforts to regain my health. I was losing too much weight, a plant based diet isn’t healthy. It is ok to eat junk food, just track your macros, have a cheat day, a couple of drinks won’t hurt you, your workouts shouldn’t be so long…etc.

[bagsofsandParticipant 1391]

Pedal, run, row wrote:

Math wrote:

I think a lot of us had similar problems, maybe not everyone had weight problems, some had drugs, alcool, whatever. As a young man I missed someone who would tell me the harsh truth to my face and FORCE me to do something about it at the same time.
Men who had those experiences knows the difference between being healthy and unhealthy, and we know that being healthy is always the best choise: financially, phisically and in general.

Again, thanks Math.

I cannot tell you how frustrating it was looking back and seeing myself sinking into poor health, and NO ONE SAID A F~~~ING WORD!
But they came out of the woodwork to try to throw a monkey wrench into my efforts to regain my health. I was losing too much weight, a plant based diet isn’t healthy. It is ok to eat junk food, just track your macros, have a cheat day, a couple of drinks won’t hurt you, your workouts shouldn’t be so long…etc.

O/T: Well, congrats taking ownership of your own health! You’re right: many men do not understand that. And society, including women, push us to unhealthy lifestyles. Yeah, you’re a MAN! Bring on the booze, cigs, huge steaks and what have we.
Remember women outlive men by 5-10 years in western society. (Yeah, um, we all know that’s really because men are mentally AND metabolically killed by their nagging wives and finally they just want some f~~~ing rest….)

I started taking ownership of my health at 27-28 y/o (no extreme though, I can still enjoy a good beer and a nice big meal with dessert every once in a while) but I REALLY don’t want to get type 2 diabetes, etc. like my elder family.

[Pedal, run, rowParticipant]

bagsofsand wrote:

society, including women, push us to unhealthy lifestyles. Yeah, you’re a MAN! Bring on the booze, cigs, huge steaks and what have we.
Remember women outlive men by 5-10 years in western society.

Yes, that is exactly the heart of the matter.
It was probably unfair, but to see an intelligent MGTOW propagating those unhealthy lifestyle choices, under the guise of appearing masculine, it bothers me. But they all do it. It is the Leykis model. It will literally lead some MGTOW’s to years and even decades of unnecessary suffering, and even early death. But to each his own path. If I didn’t care about my brothers I wouldn’t even speak up on it.

Anyway, it is my opinion, but I don’t think it is fair for me to hold this one MGTOW accountable, and that is sort of what I did because I respected his content.

[supyo64Spectator 64]

I do the same. Good times!

[supyo64Spectator 64]

I can’t agree more Bagsofsand!

[supyo64Spectator 64]

Does John look like that guy? No. Is he obese? No. Is he maybe a little over weight? Maybe. The only signs of him being fat is, as you pointed out, his man boobs. That could be from being fat, or could be from the estrogen chemicals and other chemicals found in EVERYTHING.

[supyo64Spectator 64]

You hit the nail on the head with that bagsofsand!

[BoskParticipant 111]

I have been following this guy for 2 months now.
The best to me.

His speech is articulate.
Good vibe. Good voice. Warm Laugh.
Sounds like a friend to me.
Not that many MGTOWs with real men voices on Youtube (Howard Dare is).
BTW, your tone says a lot. I cannot stand MGTOW 101 for that reason.

This man took s~~~ !

Thus, with all due respect, I do not understand the critics about him being not an “appropriate” MGTOW but you are free to do so of course ;=)

I would not fight this guy and I am not a pussy.
He is 6.6″ and around 250-260 lbs. A bit of fat but most of it is muscle.
I am not a muscle maniac with a 6% fat tolerance at best (though i tried !) ? Not manly to me.
Was a marine.
He drinks a bit and also smoke a bit.
So what ?????
He does show his face, do we risk the same way ?
He does not prepare but can make a good speech while driving.

He is a f~~~ing Gorean, the only true MGTOW to me… or let’s say “MGTOW Plus”
He commands respect.

But just my impression.
Who knows.

[BoskParticipant 111]

supyo64 wrote:

The only signs of him being fat is, as you pointed out, his man boobs. That could be from being fat, or could be from the estrogen chemicals and other chemicals found in EVERYTHING.

Well, when you stop bodybuilding, some large muscles like pectorals can fall down a bit and transform into fat.
I have large ones and have to keep them in place ;=)

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