MGTOW Happiness Level

[QuellParticipant 2538]

This morning I awoke to the beginning of what looks like the start of a nice crisp fall today. For the first time this season there was a slight chill in the air as I stepped out on my balcony. I noticed the once busy sidewalks around my building were marked empty; the sloots walking their dogs or riding their bikes were eerily absent… too cold for them I thought. I felt a renewed sense of peace as I sipped my morning coffee.

It got me thinking about MGTOW and one’s level of happiness.

Happiness, or the lack thereof, is a fluid metric. Women are always on the search for this so called “land of happiness”. True wisdom is when one learns that infinite happiness is something that simply does not exist; it comes and goes like peaks and valleys. My MGTOW journey has led me to aim for contentedness rather than a state of perpetual happiness.

For most people they have 3 big stressors in life: Relationships, Money and their Career. For the the longest time I kept striving to balance the three headed monster. Sometimes life was amazing with a bank account full of money, meaningful work and a woman to suck my member at the end of a long day. However, none of those things could ever be sustained.

Girlfriend Level of Happiness:
When I would have a girlfriend it was a tremendous sense of accomplishment for me as I’m not overly attractive or chad like. It took a lot work, timing and dumb luck. An honest look at me what dictate I’m in the bottom 50% of the bellcurve; I also have a physical disability which doesn’t help. My happiness level would be a 9/10 when I was able to land a girlfriend. However, when my relationship fell a part and she would leave my happiness leave would end up being 0 or -1. My inner peace would collapse as would my self worth, social schedule and mental clarity. I would lose a companion, access to sex and deep connection to another human being. It would take months or even years to recover mentally.

GF Happiness Level: 9/10
Dump Level : 0/10

Dating Level of Happiness:
When dating (in person or app dating) I would be going on 2-3 first dates per month (24-30 per year), texting for hours at a time each day and endlessly swiping or emailing potential women. These pseudo relationships would rarely last or go anywhere but consume loads of time and emotional energy. Every now and again I would get laid or have some sort of positive affirmation. Some would end up in a short term relationship (1-3 months) or f-buddy scenario however every single one would end up in a zero sum game. I would constantly lose to men who were taller, better looking, more religious (ha!) and all around better guys.

There was always hope though, it is a powerful motivator and helps you get out of bed in the morning. The highs of a phone number, a second date or making out with some broad were enough to keep me going; much like an addict looking for his next fix. The lows were constant and the grind of trying to speak with, less understand these sloots was mentally exhausting. All in all I went on 197 first dates over an 11 year period. Many of them were 7 or 8/10 in the looks department but rarely went anywhere. There were many that strung me along only to end up going nowhere. I was friendzoned constantly. I had many blow ups and frustrations with these women. It was the 5-6/10 levels that were the highest success rate but those ended up being mostly trashy women or single moms. Over the years I learned patterns and got rid of women that were going nowhere early on. In fact, in the early years I did all of that PUA BS (even joined a local chapter where we would go out and try to meet women) Still I wasn’t able to figure out how to find a nice girl to settle down with. I was obsessed with trying to crack the code. One more swipe, one more date, just one more…

Dating Happiness Level: 4/10

MGTOW Happiness Level:
About 2 years ago I finally came to an acceptance level that I was fooling myself about how happy I was. The highs of dating were great but the lows way out numbered the highs. I decided that this was enough. The metrics didn’t lie and my chances of finding that amazing girl who liked me and I liked her were slim to none. At this point I was in my mid 30s, a small business owner, fit and had established a decent life for myself. However, the results were more of the same except the women kept getting worse. The older they got the more baggage and drama they brought to the table, all while their looks had greatly diminished. I deleted all of the dating apps and social media. I wish I could say I did it in once and for all but I would be lying. I deleted them and would re-add them once I got lonely or bored. It took me about 5-6 times to finally give it all up for good. I realized the world of Instagram Influencers, Hot Babes, Happy Marriages and Family were not meant for men like me. I was constantly trying to sit at the “cool kids lunch table” of life but was never accepted. That door would always be closed for me. One day I finally accepted it and put my walls up. I started to find exercise, hobbies, old friends and a renewed sense of self. I began to sleep better at night as well as eat the right foods. It took some time, but my brain finally accepted that chasing that carrot, which was just out of reach, wasn’t ever going to be worth it..I was playing a rigged game.

Today I’m content now. I don’t experience the highs like getting that long term girlfriend or the joy of getting laid however life is much better. The lows are gone. I’m not as angry at the world or myself as I once was and I’m certainly not sitting in a dark closet contemplating what’s wrong with me anymore. I’m thinking about getting a dog as a companion but with my business finally taking off I should be able to travel a few months out of the year.

MGTOW Happiness Level: 7/10

To those MGTOW who have never married my advice to you is to try and go on a journey of self acceptance. You are not a loser but rather a man who is not meant to participate in the traditional BS way of life. In fact MGTOW is a gift… once you realize that the normal way of life (wife, kids, divorce) is a fools game you can being to circumvent that and live a more grandiose life than you have ever imagined. Invest or start a business, get out of the rat race. In fact, I was able to start a company only because I kept getting rejected in interviews over and over again. Find a different path way… one that you can not only enjoy but thrive in.

Anyways, that’s my ramblings for a Saturday evening. I hope each and everyone of you men continues to keep growing and finds that sense of peace in your own lives.

[iMickey503Participant 12465]

This was not on the Official topic schedule. Did you not get the TPS report Sky-0 put out? 🙂

And Bravo! Very well written!

You are all alone. If you have been falsely accused of RAPE, DV, PLEASE let all men know about the people who did this. http://register-her.net/web/guest/home

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22527]

The traditional way of life, its all a joke.

Women won’t be happy with you anyway. Their life is always harder and worse than yours. With a guy ahouldering the heavier burdens of work, money, amd primary provider for her and kids. And he is the primary provider. If he wasn’t marriage to him would be a financial step down for her, and women do not get married to take care of men. If he wasn’t, divorce rape court wouldn’t order money taken away from him to keep her in the lifestyle shes now accustomed to.

Women. Life sucks for me if I am married. Life sucks for me if men don’t want to get involved with me. Married life is prison. Where have all the good men gone?

The only thing you can control is how much external bs, or unnecessary drama, or crazy, whatever term you like, you allow into your life.

I just watched 48 hours about the cheerleader teenager who murdered her baby and got 3 years probation. They have evidence and she walks. For women they trot out the false confession stuff when the interviews were not pressured at all compared to a mans interrogation. They get “experts” though to discuss false confessions despite her words and texts. and the dead baby buried in the backyard no one knew about. When has anyone gone to such lengths to try a false confessions for men?

This woman murdered her baby and buried her and hid her body, didnt tell anyone. There are things that actually happened. She walks, her life is normal, out of jail. Yet men, with no evidence at all, go to jail and are charged with crimes, on wife heresay, no evidence anything has happened except her story. No court needed. And no legal worries for wifey if its found out later she lies and has destroyed his life.

This is why no one should have faith in todays law enforcement or court systems. Gross iniquity. All women get passes unless its so evident people’s careers would be over if they didn’t do something, and all men get fines and jail and we don’t care if the charges are made up, if they are well nothing we can do about it, or will do about it. You got fukked over and we helped, but you cant come after us or the person that fukked you over.

Gross. Iniquity.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[AwakenedParticipant 35202]

Quell wrote:

I finally came to an acceptance level that I was fooling myself about how happy I was. The highs of dating were great but the lows way out numbered the highs. I decided that this was enough

Quell wrote:

Today I’m content

Contentment appears to be able to be maintained for longer periods of time as it incorporates the middle ground between both emotional highs and lows.

I believe it to be more satisfying as it allows for emotional stability which provides opportunity for mental clarity which allows us to appreciate and be grateful for everything that we do have instead of focusing on unobtainable fairy tales. I take solace in the fact that if men like Brad Pitt can’t keep an ole HO like Angelina Jolie “happy” then what are the chances that an average man like myself have…..

FU(K ALL THAT SH)T, and ENJOY EACH DAY FOR WHAT IT CAN OFFER YOU!!!

Sometimes, that might just be a chili dog or an enjoyable work out or whatever floats YOUR BOAT, but that’s the point; KEEP THE FOCUS ON YOU AND WHAT YOU WANT !!

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[Daryll55Participant 2950]

I wish I got here first.
This thread gets MY VOTE for POST OF THE YEAR!
WELL DONE !

I am working on a few things that will give me fulfillment and a small piece of my legacy when I am gone.
No WOMEN or KIDS are involved……. matter of fact,(like your post states) it is better without them. I can FOCUS on my work.

I remember the first time I bought my new pickup truck. Negotiated for over a week with what came down to 2 different dealers. Twas a bit of an emotional strain, but I hunted at a good time, and got MY price! (which was a FAIR market price for the vehichle).
I woke up, got showered & dressed poured morning coffee. Walked out on the deck to observe a beautiful morning sunrise. No ppl in cars going by to work yet, just nature & sun. A beautiful panorama. I got such a natural HIGH from the beauty and feeling of accomplishment that morning!

Again,…. KUDOS for such a great post that ALL MEN can learn from!

Marry again, Hell NO ! ( Even JESUS was hung on a cross just once)

[SpleeferParticipant 959]

Spleefers happiness scale:
Mgtow monk 9/10
Mgtow 7/10
Dating 5/10
Serious relationship 1/10

Galatians 5:1 (KJV) Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

[CPT ObviousParticipant 2730]

Spleefer wrote:

Spleefers happiness scale:
Mgtow monk 9/10
MGTOW 7/10
Dating 5/10
Serious relationship 1/10

Dating can approach 10/10 when GF is in full chameleon/acquisition mode. She is everything the man dreams of and the sex is amazing! If this were not the case, men wouldn’t get roped into a serious relationship.

"You don't know a woman till you have met her in divorce court."

[CPT ObviousParticipant 2730]

For me, having tried different options from marriage to co-habitation to casual dating to MGTOW, I am happiest going my own way.

I am currently monk mode, but a common obstacle for me breaking through 7/10 is red pill rage. All the blue-pilled, feminist BS happening every day can make my blood boil.

Need to work on my NFG…

"You don't know a woman till you have met her in divorce court."

[QuellParticipant 2538]

CPT Obvious wrote:

I am currently monk mode, but a common obstacle for me breaking through 7/10 is red pill rage. All the blue-pilled, feminist BS happening every day can make my blood boil. Need to work on my NFG…

The red pill rage is something I struggle with as well. It more has to do with general humanity and the lack of social manners when in public. I can’t stand the selfishness of people on their phones all the time, clogging the aisles at the supermarket and the horrible drivers on the road.

What has made my life easier is realizing that I will never be able to change people’s actions but rather it is up to me to avoid situations where I have to deal with idiots like these at all costs.

This entails shopping late a night or online, avoiding public places (crowds, concerts, sporting events, loud bars) and keeping to my own. I’m looking at moving somewhere away from the downtown area in my city to a place that is more secluded and quiet. If you can’t fix the problems you must then avoid the problem at all costs.

[SpiderHerderParticipant 3766]

Great posts Quell, thanks. Makes me smile.

[GeraldParticipant 3626]

Definitely overall my happiness level has improved since going my own way. This month has been a bit of a struggle and I am at a low right now, but that low is still higher than when I was married.

No longer can we walk away, we must run. Remove the motive power.

[OgreParticipant 5863]

I’ve found your experience to be true. Even with one woman for life, till death do we part. When I make choices with only my concerns I am happiest.

Attachment and sex are fleeting. As soon as the skin and nervous system can’t remember the touch it never happened, so why commit to something so transitory? We can exceed our programming, it just requires beating 400 thousand years of evolutionary programming.

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

[Prefer Peace to PieceParticipant 10809]

Quell

Great post.
Interesting.
To me, relationships with women seem to have a bipolar flavor.
Great highs while she is reeling you in. Bad lows when the s**t storm hits.
And terrible lows when she makes the call or runs off with another guy.

Life is infinitely more peaceful going MGTOW. With MGTOW, you’ll have more money, more time, and very little drama. I can’t even imagine anymore a life that incorporates a crazy woman.

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