MGTOW – Growing older

[LordReillyParticipant 18]

I am new to this website and to MGTOW, but I have been single for over 13 years, I don’t trust a woman enough to ever have one in my life again.  But as I am writing this I am spending the weekend with my parents which has prompted a question.  Some background to this question is as follows.

I’ve noticed the slow failing of the health of my mother and step-father.  My step-father had a knee replacement last year and couldn’t move around much, so it fell on my mother to do all the work at the house, and to basically take care of him.  By this I mean getting to the store for meds, helping him out of bed and into the bathroom, bathing him.  Also he has done these types of thing for her when she has gotten sick as well.  I live six hours away from them, so it’s almost impossible to me to offer any aid.

Which brings me to my question.  Can a MGTOW man take care of himself in the future as he gets older?  I have no kids, and no other living relatives besides my mother who will be gone by time I reach the age of needing assistance.  So how does a MGTOW man survive?  Do we make enough money to check ourselves into an early assisted living situation in our 60’s?  Has anyone even thought that far ahead?  Thank you in advance for your comments.

[TYEParticipant 291]

Very Good question, and thank you for your service ! I am only 18 years old so my advice won’t be as good as some of the older MGTOW on this site. I believe in enjoying life to the fullest, and I honestly would prefer to die before becoming old beyond my ability to take care of myself. I understand your position not everyone sees death as a good thing, and would prefer to live for as long as possible. I would recommend a few things…

1. Workout be sure to keep yourself in good shape my grandmother is 83, and lives alone she does have a few pets, but she get’s around just fine. The house has been set up for someone her age she has a top notch security system, and she uses life alert. In addition you can get a system that recognizes a certain set of numbers, and will automatically call the police when used (sort of like some kind of voice alarm).

2. Consider a surrogate mother this will allow your legacy to live on, but will eliminate any female influence you don’t want the child to have.

3. Physician assisted suicide, or mercy killing this one sounds a little insane, but it’s a good option if you’ve lived your life to the fullest, and are ready go when you can no longer even wipe your own ass.

These are just a few that I will consider when i’m old, but most likely I will try to keep myself healthy enough to live like my grandmother. She spent around $30,000 to make her house elderly friendly, but it was money well spent, and allows her to remain independent.

[Soul ManParticipant 1856]

Yes, good question indeed.  I am in my late 40s but I think OldAtHeart is on the right track.  He’s a smart young man based on what I’ve seen him write and ask others.  In any case, having someone around is no guarantee that you will receive tender loving care.  A lot of people will bail and stick you in some hell hole anyway.  So yeah, first off as OldAtHeart said, work out first off.  Make sure you eat right too. This will stave off 99% of potential health problems.  Also, no time like the present to learn about investing if you don’t already have the knowledge.  Get busy making sound investments ASAP.  Make your money work for you then you have liquidity when and if you get old or impaired.  Aside from that, I don’t think it pays to worry about tomorrow.  All we have is right here and now.  Live it now.

Personally if I live to be old and find my health crashing then I will probably just do a big ‘ol bump of heroin and be done with it. (No, I’m not a druggie but I’ve been told it’s an easy wat to slip out of this world)  Aside from that I try to put the future in perspective i.e. plan to pay rent, car insurance, etc.  I just don’t personally find it productive to worry who might be wiping my ass 30 years from now assuming I live that long.  CARPE DIEM!

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[Anonymous 5]

I will just suicide if I am too old and useless. I support assisted suicide and hope the stigma dies in my generation. People should have the right to choose to kill themselves for any reason they want. I would suggest they be at least the minimum age of at least 25. This would also solve the homeless/poor people problem. It gives people a way out if they don’t want to be a burden anymore.

I already feel like I have done everything I ever wanted to do in life. I would prefer to die somewhere between 40-50. Living until 80+ sounds like a drag.

[LordReillyParticipant 18]

Thanks for the replies, you guys make some good points.  I am in my mid 40s so I don’t think having a baby through surrogate or other means is in the cards for me.  Plus I think bringing a child into this world we live in now is not a good idea, to put it nicely.  I do plan to keep on top of my health and fitness, and am planning on doing more for my finances moving forward. I’m not sure why I’ve been thinking of this lately, but it seems to have been on my mind, so I wanted to get some thoughts from others to see what they have to say about this.  I’ve noticed everyone having plans for the near future but not really talking about the life long one, at least not in detail as it relates to getting old.  Anyway it doesn’t really change the way I have decided to live my life, just a question that has popped into my head.

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

Welcome to the site lord’,
I’m a 48 year old medical doctor single since 2003 for the same reasons as those you mentioned. I’ll agree with what was already posted re: eating right and working out. I’ve given this issue you mentioned some thought over the years, and I’ll make 2 other points about it.

The first is one I posted in another thread already. What if: you had back, all at one time, all the money you ever spent on women? Consider all the dinner tabs and drink tabs you picked up, tickets to movies, concerts and other entertainment, clothes you bought, jewelry you bought, vacations you paid double for, utility bills that weren’t shared, attorney fees… , alimony if applicable etc… even things you bought for yourself like cologne you would not have likely spent money for except for the pursuit of women. Whatever that amount of money is, imagine that instead of spending it a little at a time here and there along the way over the years, you had been investing in the market in an index fund that just retuned what the market averages. (I think the historical return of 10% over any 20 year period is still accurate). In the other thread, this is where I posted the question to think back on all of whatever you had gotten back from women in return for that money and asked if doing it over and knowing what you know now, would you have spent that same money on women again knowing as you know now you’d get back exactly whatever it is you’ve gotten back for it over the years?

But for this post, extrapolate that out to the age your step father is now that he’s needing some intermittent help for his issues, and figure out how much you’ll have. Now, check on the cost of hiring someone for those intermittent periods…

The second point is that, if you check on what your government social security retirement payouts will be given what you’ve earned and paid in over the course of your working life (this can be done with the government’s social security website and a cpa knowledgeable on the terms of it), you can compare what you will receive being married vs being single. It’s a little known fact that two people married each receive much less (reduced by almost half) than they would if they stay single and just co-habitate. You get no break on the payments into it if you are married while working, but can expect a deep cut in what you receive back when you are retired.

I know this from my own mother’s experience. She’s in her late 70s now. She and my dad were married more than 40 years until my dad died. Several years later, she started to consider re-marrying someone she’d met, and asked us (kids) what we thought. My response: what can you achieve married that you cannot achieve single? There’s no scandal and nobody cares anymore if you live together, insure each other, include each other in wills and estate plans etc. There’s no need to be married to have and raise kids (even though she’s past that point anyway).

When I posed that question to her, she got quiet for a minute or two and then slowly realized that the only reason she was even considering it was to conform to an outdated societal expectation. She and the guy she was considering marrying looked at the social security benefit issue and decided to cohabitant with a legal written agreement that this would never be considered common-law marriage by either of them. They both get the added social security benefit and each has will assets to their own kids when they die. They are essentially living like college room mates do in order to share expenses and maintain benefits. They’ve been together now for about 15 years.

This gives me some hope that someday when we are all old (men and women) and are all facing these same issues, that women may become somewhat more reasonable and realistic about the purpose of having a relationship, and might be easier to deal with…but I’m still making those payments to my retirement plans…

Last, there are closed off retirement communities in Florida and other places where older people all live in their own homes, but all the streets are golf cart only. They have their own grocery stores, country clubs etc and the community hires out the in-home care in large contracts for hundreds of people at a time…getting wholesale rates. The agencies that staff the nurses to provide it can give better rates party because everyone is essentially at the same place, or at least same neighborhood. Due to the population living longer, death of a spouse etc, lots of elderly people are living single now in places like this. There are more and more options aside from nursing homes because the demand for them is going up as the age and number of the elderly population increases…

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[GoneGaltParticipant 361]

It depends. Odds are I will approach death alone, which doesn’t trouble me any longer because of the way I view life (I’m not religious). Most probably I’ll end up in a hospital covered by my health insurance when I’ll die, like my father did in 2000 when I was at his bedside after a month of sitting with him, and watched helplessly as his heartbeat slowed to nothingness as Celine Dion’s song “I Will Remember You” played on his portable cassette tape player. It was beyond surreal when the young nurse in training entered, saw my face and silently cried as she left me alone to mourn his passing. It was on May 1, 2000, before the s~~~ happened on 9/11, a little more than a year after my mother died of a sudden heart attack, and I’ll never forget when I left that night in upstate New York the nightcrawlers that covered the rainy parking lot when I left to go home.

I don’t fear death, everyone dies. Everyone. As far as my plans go, I will take care of my brother (a disabled vet) as long as I am able to and then rely on medical insurance to care for him if I cannot. And if my time is up, as verified by my doctors, and I have the capacity to choose what I wish to do, I will use a gun to end my time on this Earth, if and only if there is no real hope of recovery. As I am not religious, I will not choose a path of prolonged suffering before my life is ended. I will have enjoyed the time allotted to me by the circumstance of my birth and subsequent life but I will not prolong my agony at the end, if that is what is ahead of me.

As I said, I do not fear dying, but I do fear suffering for no good reason when you know the only possible outcome is death. As I believe most people wish their death to be, my concept of the ideal way to die would be going to bed after the best meal and alcohol you’ve ever had in your life, followed by a great orgasm with a great woman (or android, lol), and then capped off with a terrific wet dream that segues ever so gently into your heartbeat descending ever so slowly into oblivion, delivering you to the unknowing nothingness from which you initially emerged at your birth.

[RennieParticipant]

I’m just gonna let things take their natural course, so hopefully I die before I end up in any nursing home hell hole. I don’t expect to live past 50. Hopefully like others in my family it will be quick and not prolonged.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

I’ve always liked to believe that, at the first signs of impending collapse, I would dispose of my belongings and “go on safari” to some isolated and somewhat dangerous place where nature can take care of me the old fashioned way.

I was inspired by the story of the Swiss-French architect and designer Le Corbusier who, in his declining years, rented a modest but efficient little home by the sea and took a daily swim out into the water. The possibly apocryphal story goes that he would swim out as far as he could and then return… and one day he swam out but never came back. That, I suppose, is how I would like to go… doing something regular and pleasurable that I know will kill me at the point in time where I am no longer able to do it satisfactorily.

I’m thinking that when the “ouch” moment comes, I will maybe move to Vietnam and spend my remaining time living like a king in a modest home, eating and bicycling and chasing young females until one of those activities does me in.

[….Participant 305]

As someone who has had some experience dealing with aging parents and grandparents  (two had Alzheimers) I can only state that I do not want any family member to take care of me.Knowing what’s involved , it is the epitome of selfish expecting somebody to play nurse for you. My father is 90 years old and still has all his marbles but it takes the patience and understanding of a saint to take care of him on a daily basis . He never asked us to do this …we love him and we  do it because we still can . It’s hard enough when they are healthy but if not,, it’s time to be in a home.  Even if you have a care giver, quite often they get burned out by giving care way past the point of being practical out of love or guilt. So in my humble opinion, if at all possible, have arrangements made so as not to become a burden to your loved ones.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I haven’t welcomed you from your intro yet, but it was a great one and made it sticky.
Happy you found your way here and knew you were home right way. That’s awesome.

Can a MGTOW man take care of himself in the future as he gets older? I have no kids, and no other living relatives besides my mother who will be gone by time I reach the age of needing assistance. So how does a MGTOW man survive? Do we make enough money to check ourselves into an early assisted living situation in our 60’s? Has anyone even thought that far ahead? Thank you in advance for your comments.

The average working unmarried man will/can have $350K more in the bank by the time he is 50. Simple math confirms it – especially since 1 kid costs $250K to raise to 18. Any service is cheaper than a wife… and they will actually DO it. Today I went to the market and bought everything under the sun I wanted. Spared no expense. Huge strawberries. chilean sea bass to cook myself. a $20 steak for the grill tomorrow with some friends. Cost me $88 for everything I wanted. On the way home, I drove past a few night clubs and bars. …. just about every other guy under 40 is dropping that much in cover charge and beers. They should be worried. A MGTOW shouldn’t. I probably won’t reach into my wallet again until Tuesday or Wednesday. But if I spend $90 on cover and beers, I would f~~~ing punch myself in the face.

In the film Wall Street, Martin Sheen said “money is only something you need in case you don’t die to tomorrow”.
I always planned for the future, but if I find myself worrying about it, I just tell myself that.

It was instilled in me to worry about things before they happen. But I have successfully purged that s~~~ because it can give you chest pains. The real problems in your life are the ones that blindside you on some idle Tuesday.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Joe_b_wanParticipant 15]

Can a MGTOW man take care of himself in the future as he gets older?

I haven’t read all of the replies because it’s late.

Yes, absolutely! Short answer, you can’t depend on the MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX!

If I had any ailment you have, (bed time).

[John DoeParticipant 743]

I plan to move to Alaska and literally attempt to kill a bear with a knife.  It is my retirement plan and option on my bucket list.  I would be surprised if any human being was there to take care of me when/if I get older.  However, I am cool with it.  S~~~ happens.

[TheLurkerParticipant 269]

I plan on living life to the fullest with absolutely no women involved at all. Then i’m going to just let natural selection rid me of this planet. But for right now, i’m just going to focus on my future.

[Smitty the Great OneParticipant 1535]

this s~~~ got depressing quick…. I plan on going out the way I came in, naked, broke, and screaming…. covered in someone else’s blood. Cheer up guys it’s not about if, when or how you died. It’s about how you live, and I for one plan to do whatever it is I do, MY WAY. If I grow old, I’ll just become a more magnificent bastard everyday than I was before.

Life is too long to play by someone elses rules....

[Anonymous 42]

F~~~ that! You can’t tell what’s going to happen in the future….. I had Internet stock, and INTERNET stock ONLY. I lost my ass! My return was .01 on the dollar, I hung on as long as I could! I was a stockbrokers white-knight FOOL to the bottom. I decided to DUMP, and was labeled a DAY TRADER! F~~~ that!

I have real-estate, and I’m DUMPING that too! I never cared about money, I was to busy doing whatever the f~~~ I wanted! I’m going to continue to do whatever the f~~~ I want! In the future, if end up in some trailer in the middle of nowhere; I’ll still be happy knowing it was all my decisions, and the sweet memories of p~~~ing assholes off, and GMOW!

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

I’m liking the vibe of this thread. Thumbs up all around!

[TYEParticipant 291]

@johndoe WOW! What a way to go xD I can just vision it in my head you trying to kill a bear, and actually succeeding then afterwards proceeding to beat on your chest yelling like Tarzan !!!

[John DoeParticipant 743]

Old at Heart:

Funny you should post that picture, because I have a knife that looks 90% like that one.

 

 

As far as I am concerned, I am the most positive thinking person on this thread.

[Anonymous 42]

@JonDoe, when you get to Alaska; just think about all the s~~~ feminists put you through; “think real hard”, and I’ll bet every f~~~ing bear in the Yukon is slaughtered before midnight! With or without a knife!!!!!!

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