MGTOW don't organize so here's the national trend in men dropping out.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

Check out the link, there is a great animated graph showing that men are dropping out at double the rate and going their own way in the last 14 years.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/12/12/upshot/the-rise-of-men-who-dont-work-and-what-they-do-instead.html?referrer=&_r=0

In the late 1960s, almost all men between the ages of 25 and 54 went to work. Only about 5 out of every 100 did not have a job in any given week. By 2000, this figure had more than doubled, to 11 out of every 100 men. This year, it’s 16. (People in the military, prison and institutions are excluded from these figures.)

The upshot is, while not addressed in the article although the data is obvious, men have no need for society. A society in which men don’t participate is doomed.

My favorite comment from Prague of course, no American man has the b~~~~ to say so:

Marriage and family were the main reasons men worked. But women flooded the labor market and there were then fewer eligible men. No woman will marry and give children to an unemployed man.

But it was men that made women wealthy. Single women with children are impoverished. Or they just don’t have children and work. It’s a society in the process of imploding.

Destroy men, destroy the family.

I say let the women go to work and pay for their lazy sisters to sit on their butts.

I’m working on the band I’ve started and living off a small early retirement which is plenty sufficient for me and me only.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

This is indeed good news. A few bricks in the dam loosing up ☺

I hope I’m around to see it burst.

[FermatParticipant 3478]

Yes women have flooded the labor market but still expect men to work high income jobs when the number of jobs in the US hasn’t changed much. Higher education will very soon be female dominated. There will be a spike in female employment in 20 years. The math predicts this. The job market is looking grim for men.

I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.

[Anonymous 42]

ILiveAgain wrote:

This is indeed good news. A few bricks in the dam loosing up I hope I’m around to see it burst.

Fermat wrote:

Yes women have flooded the labor market but still expect men to work high income jobs when the number of jobs in the US hasn’t changed much. Higher education will very soon be female dominated. There will be a spike in female employment in 20 years. The math predicts this. The job market is looking grim for men.

Let the little hamsters run their asses of as we sit back and laugh at the fall of this civilization, you know, the one feminism barbequed to a black crispy charcoal crunch!

 

[RoyDalParticipant]

Fermat wrote:

The job market is looking grim for men.

True, as far as office drone work goes. No disagreement there. However I propose an exception or two.

1. STEM jobs. Men still outnumber in college educated STEM professionals. The fact is, women are not willing to take on the math and science necessary.
2. Doing things. Do women fix air conditioners? Do they fix automobiles? Do they keep big rig trucks running? Do they put on new roofs in August?
No, that is man’s work.
Women sit in air conditioned offices with roofs that do not leak and type at keyboards while sipping sugary drinks some trucker delivered to their vending machines.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[BeerParticipant 11832]

RoyDal wrote:

1. STEM jobs. Men still outnumber in college educated STEM professionals. The fact is, women are not willing to take on the math and science necessary.

2. Doing things. Do women fix air conditioners? Do they fix automobiles? Do they keep big rig trucks running? Do they put on new roofs in August? No, that is man’s work. Women sit in air conditioned offices with roofs that do not leak and type at keyboards while sipping sugary drinks some trucker delivered to their vending machines.

I’d agree with this assessment.  Labor jobs are always going to be dominated by men.  If just simple physics…the average healthy, fit male you’d expect to find in a labor job is probably going to weigh in the 160-220lb range…where as the average fit female is going to be in the 120-150lb range simply because they tend to be shorter and have less muscle mass.  If you have to do grunt work men are just superior for the task.  Sure you will have some wimpy men, and some bullish women who can put some guys to shame…but on average a group of guys is going to get a physical task done more quickly and with less chance of wear and tear related injury on their body since they are using less of their full potential to get a task done.  Its simply easier for a 200lb guy to lift 50lbs, walk 50 feet, and put it down than it is for a 120lb woman.  Its the same for trades as well…most women just simply don’t want to get their hands dirty.

STEM jobs I’d also agree with.  We’ll probably see more women going into them…but the thing with STEM jobs is they generally require a lot of learning/training on the job even after schooling, and require continuous training over the years, and because of that, a lot of employers want career oriented, dedicated employees.  Again like labor jobs…there will be some women that get into STEM fields and can hang with the guys…but as an employer, beyond government mandates that force you to higher certain percentages of women, if you had a 25 year old man, and a 25 year old woman both applying for a job who had equivalent degrees and and both interviewed equally well, why would you take the woman over the man when you know at some point in the next 5 years the woman is probably going to go out on maternity leave, and might just decide to be a SAHM.  You can literally invest a year in training and mentoring a new hire before they really start to have any value to your company, and shortly after that she could milk you for maternity leave, burn all her vacation and sick time, then inform you she is not coming back to work.  Giant waste of money…corporate America knows this…they just can’t get around affirmative action bulls~~~.

But besides from that I think the increase in men retiring early is a great indicator of the growth of MGTOW.  Expect to see this trend continue over the next decade as MGTOW becomes more wide spread.  As more men are deciding not to marry and hand their paychecks over to the wife, and more men are avoiding the financial slaughter of divorce court, I think the number of guys who in their 40s or 50s realize they have enough money for a lifetime and opting to retire early is going to increase at an accelerated pace.

 

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

Puffin Stuff wrote:

No woman will marry and give children to an unemployed man.

give?  Give? GIVE?

How about the word inflict?  How about, unilateral decision to a man?

How about the truth?  No woman will marry and give themselves children with an unemployed man.

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

No woman will ‘give’ children to an unemployed man for the same reason that no one takes a hostage for whom they cannot extract a ransom…

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

Soldier-Medic wrote:

H.R. Pufnstuf wrote:

No woman will marry and give children to an unemployed man.

give? Give? GIVE? How about the word inflict? How about, unilateral decision to a man? How about the truth? No woman will marry and give themselves children with an unemployed man.

To women it’s all subconscious cost-benefits analysis running as a resident program in the background (can’t blame them for that, I wish men exercised it more often as well). If at any point C/BA of staying married to a man goes above the C/BA of being married to the government – man is out the door, hello you sexy uncle Sam

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[BeerParticipant 11832]

I think more young men are running a C/BA on marriage these days…its why debt levels are contributing to declining marriage rates.  I think the current statistic being thrown around is for every 10k worth of debt someone has their chance of marriage declines 3-4%.

If 2 young broke people are getting married, the guy probably isn’t thinking much about a potential C/BA of his marriage 10 years down the road, but as the average first time marriage age is now up around 30, I think a C/BA because a pretty common thing if one partner is dragging a six figure debt load around while the other is debt free.  The problem is only compounded by income differentials and life style choices.  If you are making 70k a year, debt free, live below your means, and prioritize retirement savings as you want to retire early, are you really going to want to become financially tied to someone making 30k a year with a six figure debt load who maxes out every credit card she can get her hands on, and wants to spend all her income, all your income, and still isn’t satisfied?  If you have a good credit history and saving habits any potential partner that does not have the same should be treated like they have ebola.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

There is the NEET demographic:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEET

More and more men will fall into that.  It is happening for a number of reasons, and it is going to be a factor in MGTOW growing.  It is a factor in the Herbivores in Japan.  When you don’t give me a future they can trust, they aren’t going to try to do families and all that.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Beer wrote:

I’d agree with this assessment. Labor jobs are always going to be dominated by men.

It’s more than just labor.

Pretty much every job that generates real wealth, as in the things that people want and need to live, is done by men. Men drill the oil, men dig the coal, men build the homes, men grow the crops. But men also find the oil, invent the machines, design the bridges, draw up the architecture, and so on. A woman may decide that a building needs a portico, but I can guarantee it’s a man who does the load bearing calculations needed to actually put it there.

Women’s work is largely decorative. At best it merely facilitates the actual wealth building work done by men. As more an more men drop out there will be less and less actual wealth creation being done for women to facilitate. The surplusses will dry up as men start producing only enough for themselves. And women will suffer for it, because there is no way in hell they’re going to leave the office and go into the mines themselves.

[RennieParticipant]

Two or three days ago I was listening to the car radio and heard the media mention the ghosting phenomena for the first time ever. So it must really be taking hold.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Rennie wrote:

Two or three days ago I was listening to the car radio and heard the media mention the ghosting phenomena for the first time ever. So it must really be taking hold.

Thanks to you, I just now looked up “ghosting” on google news. It produced “About 65,900 results!” Not bad, for something no one had heard of a few years ago.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[RennieParticipant]

Two or three days ago I was listening to the radio in the car and I heard the media describe the term ghosting for the first time ever.

Anonymous wrote:

ILiveAgain wrote:

This is indeed good news. A few bricks in the dam loosing up I hope I’m around to see it burst.

Fermat271 wrote:

Yes women have flooded the labor market but still expect men to work high income jobs when the number of jobs in the US hasn’t changed much. Higher education will very soon be female dominated. There will be a spike in female employment in 20 years. The math predicts this. The job market is looking grim for men.

Let the little hamsters run their asses of as we sit back and laugh at the fall of this civilization, you know, the one feminism barbequed to a black crispy charcoal crunch!

Yeah, the hell with this civilization.

[Anonymous 13]

So now they have to get women to join the infantry to defend this debacle of western civ – it was slowly becoming a more of a club anyway.

I am slowly starting to hear more and more sofrep and or ex navy seals – ex rangers – ex sf start to defend the idea of women in the infantry and/or women going to Ranger School (a pog school, sure – but still a staple pin – for the infantry – it should’ve been kept the way it was ten – separate from RASP but important).

 

Who cares…f~~~ it.  I can’t even raise my own kids when their mother is 10 times worse than me, no I’m not even a bad father, I was a f~~~ing great father….nope bad is good and good is bad in this civilization….go figure….

[Anonymous 4]

What I can’t understand, FOR THE LIFE of me, is why we choose to drop out when we could EASILY just TAKE back society..by force if necessary. I’m actually serious. Women and feminists only have power so long as men ALLOW them to. I’m wondering if it will ever come to this. I wish it would. Basically we have LET women get into the positions of control over us they now have.

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

Force isn’t necessary.  Passive resistance would be nearly 100% effective almost immediately.  What passive resistance would look like would be a fraction of men who say, “I’m not transferring financial assets to any woman, or accepting responsibility for meeting the financial needs of any woman… on the basis of a personal relationship, or agreeing to marriage (or any other personal relationship circumstance) where this expectation might be imposed on me.”

Basically, men stop committing to women, and stop producing and providing resources for them.  Women would complain and withhold sex for a while, but I can go without sex for longer than women can go without oil, coal, steel, concrete, electricity, food, military defense, housing… and all the other things men produce and provide to women on the premise that it might result in respect, gratitude and some civil behavior.

I’ve found that the best way to deal with any control freak is to give them all they want…and then give them ALL the responsibility, accountability and associated consequences that go with it.

The fraction necessary doesn’t have to be 100% of men.  10-20% would do nicely to send the message of the the accountability and responsibility that are to come.  That figure is easily realistic in the next 20 years… essentially one generation.  And the current generation of men aged 20-30 is looking very much like it will be that generation…

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[BeerParticipant 11832]

BrainPilot wrote:

The fraction necessary doesn’t have to be 100% of men. 10-20% would do nicely to send the message of the the accountability and responsibility that are to come. That figure is easily realistic in the next 20 years… essentially one generation. And the current generation of men aged 20-30 is looking very much like it will be that generation…

I see this every day at work, and it cracks me up.  Most of the older guys are married and regret it, or divorced and regret ever getting married.  Most of the younger guys under 35 are unwed.  We just stare at the few who have gotten married like why…why would you do that to yourself?  The sad thing is a probably half of the younger ones that have married already regret it, but are already trapped with a house and kids.

I think pretty much everyone at the company, with the exception of the janitors and some of the office workers and secretaries, is making 70k+ per year even at entry level positions.  Most of the non management types are probably making 100-150 a year.  So these are a bunch of 25-35 year old guys with nice incomes that realize marriage is a scam…precisely the type of guys women want to hook when they are ready to start making babies.  It should be interesting to see over the next 10-20 years if guys like this are going to stick to their guns and keep telling the whores to f~~~ off, and if they do how will society change because of it.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

There are only so many jobs in America. If a female takes a job then that job isn’t available for a man. Ergo he is unemployed.

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