Mgtow does not hate women

[Anonymous 42]

Keymaster wrote:

5% max have their heads on right.

This may be way off, but it’s what I concluded from looking around.

Those are the same numbers and less by my calculations, only 2% have that sparkle of intellectual superiority. Here it’s the other way around! We’re a 500,000 gigawatt nuclear reactor of intellectual superiority! Honesty got us here…

[Anonymous 11]

Keymaster wrote:

I often feel like this is going against the grain too much, but I won’t budge on it

I tell them they are free to dump me anytime they are not satisfied with my performance. I believe it makes me work harder to satisfy and makes them feel safer.

Not doing a contract does go against the grain though. I don’t want someone feeling obligated to me. I may make them sign project scope agreements if warranted though just to prevent scope creep.

[NerevarParticipant 8040]

Anonymous wrote:

anonymousyam wrote:

The emotions of love and hate are synonymous

True….but indifference is truly freeing.

Indifference is the word, indeed!

"One of the best things internet exposed is just how insane women are." - Freeman_K

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

I tell them they are free to dump me anytime they are not satisfied with my performance. I believe it makes me work harder to satisfy and makes them feel safer. Not doing a contract does go against the grain though. I don’t want someone feeling obligated to me.

This is getting really good. We’re IDENTICAL on this.

Had exactly the same conversation in November. Dude had a 45 minute phone conversation with me, and shoved a contract in my face asking me to commit. I flatly refused “you gotta be kidding. Its totally unrealistic”. He pushed and pushed and pushed and I just kept pushing back.

I told him same – word for word as you ^^ + “It’s my JOB TO PROVIDE YOU WITH VALUE and you can WALK anytime. I know this. Im not throwing my business reputation in the garbage. Knowing we can both walk and still working together is the BEST relationship anywhere ”

It DID make him feel safer and we never spoke about a contract again. Funny part is, he is 25% over budget now and he couldn’t be happier about it! When I invoice him, there is NO argument or issue.

Anonymous wrote:

I may make them sign project scope agreements if warranted though.

He’s a scope creeper too (that’s why he’s over budget) but I sensed it within hours. Im gonna deliver… you’re gonna LOVE it.. then you’re gonna ask me for more. So you’re gonna go over, but I will warn you weeks ahead when that comes so we can trim the fat if you want.

He didn’t push back on ANYTHING.

BEST working relationship ever.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

Believe me gentlemen, women don’t care if you hate them, it’s just a guilt trip.

The reason they bring it up, is because you hurt their feelings and they care.

But when it comes to in difference? Oh yeah, it’s like opening up a can of worms.

Indifference is my constitution.

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[Zuberi TauParticipant 10606]

In order for you to hate, you actually have to care.

[Anonymous 11]

As far a scope creep goes, I don’t work for free. They really don’t understand all of the details that have to happen to deliver a proper solution. Scope creep is the noose around all of our necks. We have to know the entire scope to design a proper solution. To agree on scope holds everyone accountable, and helps make any project successful. One PHB’s brilliant new idea can wreck hours of my work. Had I known up front I would have taken it into consideration. I learned very early about scope creep.

Of course, I always love to extend the scope as it’s more money for me. I just want them to agree on the milestones as we move forward.

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8288]

I agree. Not giving a s~~~ is not equal to hate. Hate is much worse. My attitude is: I’ll live my life and you live yours. I’m not going to demand that women do anything for me. Of course, I still want to go on dates and have a good time. I just want to have control over my personal time and assets.

Modern women shouldn’t expect a man to give up his time & money for them if they have nothing to offer in return. They sure as hell wouldn’t agree to work hard all day so we can sit on the couch, watch TV, and spend their money.

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[BeeParticipant 700]

Speak for yourself. With the exception of my daughter I dislike them. I understand their nature and really do not like them. It is a red pill knowledge casualty. I adore my daughter, tolerate my wife to be with the kid and the rest of them can f~~~ off.

[hmskl’dParticipant 6419]

anonymousyam wrote:

we don’t hate … we are just apathetic toward women

Exactly, I don’t hate anyone. As far as apathy relating to women; to be totally honest I’d have to say yes. At this specific moment in history there is absolutely and positively no woman on this planet thinking about me ..and I’m certainly not spending a moment pining for her either. This evening; this weekend I’m busy with my own plans and as far as I’m concerned it’s exactly the way I want it to be ..no regrets and no feelings of missing out on anything. Only in the movies does a woman enter the picture where a single guy has his plans working and the resulting relationship chaos results in happily ever after. That kind of romantic tension may sell tickets .. but, that’s the movies. A woman entering my world would create a disaster of monumental proportions. I no longer even entertain the thought of engaging in the futile struggle of taking on all of the issues and accepted baggage that a relationship would bring. I don’t want it. I abhor the thought of it. I’ve actually grown to prefer the predictable life of measured apathy. There is no hate whatsoever, just a preference for the peaceful life and the freedom of never having to answer to a potentially loud, angry and totally unpredictable woman.

[The_Mad_PirateParticipant 1278]

Keymaster wrote:

MG-ɹǝʍo┴ wrote:

I was always just as honest as I am with you guys, and for my honesty I was resented and hated

We all get that and especially me. Im a straight shooter to the point where I will now verbally demand and expect the same from others, or I will not work or associate with them.

In a first conversation I will drop terms like “consistency of values” and “integrity”, “ethics”, “loyalty” and “honor”. You quickly learn who appreciates it and who don’t know what those words mean. I am DONE with these people.

I actually said that in a first meeting last week with someone I just met. they shoved a contract/agreement in my face, and I pushed it back across the desk telling them it’s valueless. “My agreement is my handshake and my word, because my word is honorable. Is YOURS? I have worked with plenty of people without a contract for years at a time… but for all the “contracts” I have been presented, they were light on basic manners and integrity, so if you don’t mind, I would value that from you more.”.

Don’t blink when you say it and watch them get VERRRRY nervous. Because the manipulators who are out to get your signature before an honest introduction have slippery motivations. My relationship, dedication and loyalty with you (or them) will be proven OFF the contract.

The only “agreement” I am willing to sign contains terms that aren’t even on it. You will f~~~ing know the basics of trust and mutual respect. Or you can take your contract and shove it.

Do they “like” me for it?

Who cares.

The unspoken agreement already exists that you will work for someone for 2+ weeks before you even see a first paycheck. Who f~~~ing needs a contract? You’re working for them — for no pay for 2 weeks upfront! Assuming you will be paid. After the first day, they now OWE you.

No. Pay me WITHOUT a contract and then you’re one step closer to the man you should be.
THEN I will consider entering a contractual agreement with you.

This attitude makes the manipulators crap their pants.

A man lives by his word and die by his word. That’s how much I value honesty. Truth hurts? So what? I preffer a thousend daggers of glorious thruths than a single white silk of lie. So much that hypocrisy ( counciously lying or deceiving without an actual profound reason when given the oportunity to being honest ) it’s one of the only 5 things i truly hate.

If those that say we are “misogynists” were at least a little bit intelligent, they would realize that being honest with each other, speaking truth at every step, it’s actually one of the deepest forms of love.

"We didn't start the fire. It was always burning. Since the world's been turning" "A world that vilifies men only breeds a generation of men that feel no empathy towards women" “In a woman’s mind , there is really no such thing as a ‘we’. In her eyes, earth allways revolves around her, not the other way around. So thinking that your needs , aspirations or desires are valid enough to be persued, or even that you are entitled achive such goals, is like asking your boss for a pay rise in your very first day at the job.”

[MattNYCParticipant 2329]

Nicholson hit the nail on the head w/this one. Simple, elegant & final:

[HitmanParticipant]

hate is a waste of time and energy.
i won’t give that away to anybody.
women…
we live in a world above them.
the artists..
the creators..
the dreamers of dreams..
the architects of the world we live in..Men.
like spoiled children they whine and throw tantrums..
i simply walked away from the drama.
life is too short to waste it hating anybody.
i’m busy loving myself.
learning and understanding is far more interesting than hating.
the ignorant hate.
the seekers look to explore and absorb.

[Anonymous 54]

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I don’t do contracts. I honor my word and expect the same from others. None of my clients have contracts with me. None have ever left me either. I deliver on what I say as do they.

Violate your word to me, and I will throw you out like yesterday’s garbage though.

Thats how i live. My hand shake and my word are good.

[ChuddoxParticipant 585]

A typical reaction of Feminazis and Mangina’s is to confuse disliking what someone does with what they are.

Most mgtow,I think (I obviously can’t speak for everyone), don’t hate women. It isn’t logical to hate someone for being something beyond their control. They do however dislike the actions women take in the pursuit of their hypergamous natures. They dislike the powers wielded, and sanctions levied against them by a Gynocentric State authority. They dislike the mindf~~~ games, lies, and all the general s~~~ associated with romantic relationships with women.

If my dog p~~~es in my house because he has a bladder problem. I don’t hate my dog, because he can’t help it. I just don’t let him in the house.

“Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” - Robert E. Howard

[AttonParticipant]

The advancement of men and boys is primary the opinions of some lazy piece of s~~~ change nothing.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[The_Mad_PirateParticipant 1278]

Chuddox wrote:

A typical reaction of Feminazis and Mangina’s is to confuse disliking what someone does with what they are.

Most mgtow,I think (I obviously can’t speak for everyone), don’t hate women. It isn’t logical to hate someone for being something beyond their control. They do however dislike the actions women take in the pursuit of their hypergamous natures. They dislike the powers wielded, and sanctions levied against them by a Gynocentric State authority. They dislike the mindf~~~ games, lies, and all the general s~~~ associated with romantic relationships with women.

If my dog p~~~es in my house because he has a bladder problem. I don’t hate my dog, because he can’t help it. I just don’t let him in the house.

Most of the people who cry “misoginy” at the first sign of disagreement also engage in the very falacious identity politics. In this mindset, what a person does and what a person is in conflated into one big clusterf~~~ of irrationality. That’s why they constantly repeat that “the personal” ( i.e. what and who you are ) is “the politic” ( i.e. what you think and how you act ). That level of unreasonable thougth is one of the reasons is almost impossible to have a reasonable debate with this people.

"We didn't start the fire. It was always burning. Since the world's been turning" "A world that vilifies men only breeds a generation of men that feel no empathy towards women" “In a woman’s mind , there is really no such thing as a ‘we’. In her eyes, earth allways revolves around her, not the other way around. So thinking that your needs , aspirations or desires are valid enough to be persued, or even that you are entitled achive such goals, is like asking your boss for a pay rise in your very first day at the job.”

[NeutronParticipant 321]

For most women ANYTHING that places men in a position of personal power such as showing true strength, character, independence, and self-reliance, is grounds for being called a ‘misogynist’ since it takes away their power. Anything that detracts from their ability to control us is grounds for being called a ‘hater’.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

[OgreParticipant 5863]

With knowledge and understanding of something it becomes impossible to hate any group of things.

That understanding can and will increase averse reactions to dangerous and unpredictable, or negative predictable things. Because I know the nature of Lions, Bears, and venomous snakes I don’t mess with them.

Treating women the same way is really just giving them the ultimate respect of understanding their nature to the point where staying away is better than having them mess your World up.

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

[UintatheriumParticipant 1861]

We MGTOW let women do whatever they want as long as it doesn’t hurt men.
We keep our distance when a woman is being a bitch. That doesn’t mean we hate all women.

MGTOW: because you can (and should) say anything about a woman as long as she isn't within earshot

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