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an interesting read I came across which kinda hit home for me. it feels great to go my own way but there are times where I feel like “whats the point” this theory perhaps sheds some light on why me and probably others feels the same way, might not be completely true but it’s food for thought.
what I took from this post is that one had to remind himself every single day, be conscious of his goals, dreams aspirations and why he embarked toward this path.
what do you guys think? I feel that the post is lacking and would love some thoughts and more insight.
If after an initial euphoria of going your own way (and being liberated from the shackles of an automatic life), you occasionally feel you’re not your usual self, you are not alone. In fact, the mental shift to MGTOW effects your neural chemistry in significant ways. There are ways to recapture your energy and motivation.
The Default Program
Mankind’s “default program”, our biological hard-wiring to survive and reproduce, comes built in with all kinds of inducements to follow the program, and consequences for not doing so. It’s why we feel good when we have sex, and why sometimes we get depressed when we don’t. It’s why when we do certain things to aid our survival, such as obtain resources (ie: make money; or even find $20 on the street), we get a high. This ‘default program’ was a subconscious set of levers the selfish gene within us implanted so that the caveman would do ‘the right thing’ and survive, and screw, and pass the genes on. Whatever our conscious mind thinks it wants, the subconscious is extremely powerful, if more subtle, and can wreak havoc on our well-being if we totally ignore it.
As we move off the main highway, the subconscious observes as much. This unthinking “natural motivation” is what powers most blue pillers. They answer to its call whether they know what they’re doing or not. But they do get some of the endorphins and well being from obeying it. When you buck it, one must produce one’s own motivation, and it is anything but natural. Being red pill takes much more effort, because you actually have to think and remind yourself what you want from the world, and then go out and take it, all the while your subconscious is actually going “WTF”.
“Default Motivation and Conscious Motivation” – Create your Own Flame
We actually don’t understand the why of what we do in many cases. We are often pursuing goals that are put there by eons of evolution and while we pursue them, we’re not always aware we’re pursuing them.. When we are blue pill, we have this deep motivation, which we aren’t always conscious of, that wants to build a good life, so that we can attract a mate. This is one of the default motivational sources within men. We don’t even consciously think of it that way, but make no mistake, we do have this invisible force within us, put there by our genetics, that is like a fire – it is our motivation for getting up early in the morning, for buying that nice car, for fixing up the condo or buying a home. When we observe the nature of the modern woman and decide it’s not worth it, that flame can sometimes diminish to a flicker.
When you go MGTOW and stare down your inner program, one’s mind doesn’t always cooperate. It is the eternal battle between the subconscious “default program” and the conscious mind’s rational assessment about what is best for yourself. The two are always competing for your agenda; and just as the Will of the conscious mind can subdue the subconscious wants, the subconscious can and does fight back. It can make you depressed by not following its dictates, and does. As I’ll explain in the next paragraph, you can create your own flame through conscious motivation.
Going from Unconscious Auto-Pilot to Conscious Motivation
When you buck the default program of procreation, the subconscious- which ordinarily dutifully aids in your memory of favorite things and activities- decides that your conscious minds wants to be boss, it can be boss. But it won’t aid and abet it. So even though before, it would naturally use associative connections to prompt you to do what you love to do: whether it be hike out in the woods or play poker, it decides it’s not needed and doesn’t do do so. The unconscious motivation process is natural, in the sense it’s what feels natural, and takes no effort. Conscious motivation is comparatively ‘unnatural’. The conscious mind now has to fetch all the things you like and love about life and push yourself to go do those things. Your Will must now not only define your life path but also your pursuit of happiness. The days of your subconscious readily surfacing things you usually enjoy, like it used to, may be over. This extra push has to come from somewhere and then you usually end up enjoying what it is you set your mind to do. But otherwise stasis and apathy can easily reign.
One has to look within and remind myself what it is that makes one happy and do it. For whatever reason, it doesn’t come as naturally as it used to. Using myself as an example, for a while I went without competitive sports. I surfed and I worked out, but I didn’t have the thrill of battle, so to speak. I forced myself to go out there again and play pickup basketball, and not just play tennis recreationally but also competitively.
Conscious motivation is work. But the rewards are even greater.
the post was made by a guy who goes by the name of jagrmeister which I really enjoy reading his posts. I love his writing style and I wish maybe one day I’ll be able to write like that.
That’s a good read, thanks for sharing brother.
On my journey on the road to self-salvation, I occasionally stray back into the woods of uncertainty and think about turning back – it is not easy for one mind to fight countless generations and thousands of years of genetic code programming your biology to stay on the road of conformity. After all, nomadic tribes of humans could not survive if their members ventured in their own directions and the human race as we know it would disappear within three generations, if not less.
At the end of the day, the path a Man chooses does not bend to the volition of others if the Man does not allow it to. Is your path the best path? Maybe, maybe not. The only focus one needs is to always look for a better path; complacency kills, sometimes fast and sometimes slow. The only person looking back in your mirror at night is you.
You made it here, so you can make it anywhere. Go forward and do great things as a MGTOW.
Logic guides your actions, emotion guides your morals. Only you may decide how you use them.
THE BIG PICTURE
The most powerful urge is the urge to procreate. The elite brainwash unsuspecting men with the illusion of “Love & marriage” as a form of control and distraction. The elite have an agenda that they place as a number one priority (more wealth and power). “Love” is just a sugar coating word to hide the truth and make things a lot more marketable (i.e. romance, valentines day, marriage, wedding rings, mortgages etc). Men are use to receiving orders like worker bees and if we fail to do so we are automatically shamed.
When I look at the mind I see three states:
Happiness
Tranquillity
SadnessThe human mind constantly fluctuates between happy and sad states. The elite DO NOT want men to attain a tranquil mind because a tranquil mind is a clear mind and a clear mind can think logically, hence not be easily fooled by illusions. In this society I see too many people trying to chase after the illusionary state of happiness. Happiness is just a temporary fluctuation in the mind, so as sadness.
When a man is in a happy state, the decisions he makes become distorted. For example, he may be having an awesome day (buying a new car, buying new clothes etc), when he, later in the day, bumps into a good looking woman who “sweeps him off his feet”. Since he is in a happy state, he will more likely give into what a woman wants/says.
When the mind is tranquil and still, it sees the BIG PICTURE very clearly with NO DISTORTION whatsoever. We, as men, need to be mindful of this. We need to make decisions while our mind is tranquil. Be independent of external conditions.
A tranquil mind is neither happy nor sad, it is uninfluenced by external conditions.
That’s a good read, thanks for sharing brother.
At the end of the day, the path a Man chooses does not bend to the volition of others if the Man does not allow it to. Is your path the best path? Maybe, maybe not. The only focus one needs is to always look for a better path; complacency kills, sometimes fast and sometimes slow. The only person looking back in your mirror at night is you.
You made it here, so you can make it anywhere. Go forward and do great things as a MGTOW.
thanks brother. sometimes I forget to remind myself daily of my goals despite having them written on a list that I carry around in my pocket. the most addicting feeling of being MGTOW and the peaceful and stress/anxiety free life. although it gets lonely sometimes but at least I’m in total control of my fate which is all what matters.
THE BIG PICTURE
The most powerful urge is the urge to procreate. The elite brainwash unsuspecting men with the illusion of “Love & marriage” into society as a form of control and distraction. The elite have an agenda that they place as a number one priority (more wealth and power). “Love” is just a sugar coating word to hide the truth and make things a lot more marketable (i.e. romance, valenteins day, marriage, wedding rings, mortgages etc).
it’s funny how Love as a concept related to marriage feels so recent. not so long ago 50 years to be exact, at least in our culture, arranged marriages were the norm. there was no choosing, once a women is in the child bearing age she would be coupled with a man who she shall serve, produce children for and make life easier for the whole society.
the concept of divorce was so non-existent back then.
I’m glad I was born now rather than 50 years ago, the last thing I want is to be coupled forcefully with someone I’ve never met, in which I’m required to provide for and tolerate her bulls~~~ for life.it’s a great time to be a live as a man. I’ll definitely remind myself of that when I’m feeling down.
For me, i am MGTOW by what i call … “modified nature”. The women in our society went to hell in a handbasket, the internet gave me an entire different life growing up, giving me information & wisdom, as well as adult entertainment.
With the way things are these days as far as women go, it would now be against my very nature to go to the plantation, because i despise what i see and feel when i look at it. So was i born to resist women and relationships and sex ? i don’t know, but it’s the way it turned out due to the circumstances.
I have a different take – the opposite actually.
I require no conscious motivation to GMOW . . . .
I would require motivation to do it another way.For example, instead of thinking “I will never sign a marriage contract under any circumstances” and forcing myself to adhere to it . . . . I deflect it all over my bride and let HER be the motivation. Doesn’t it depend on what kind of person she is? Don’t I have to MEET her first?
You wouldn’t know this about me, but I was once a possible early contestant for the TV show “millionaire matchmaker”…. where a “strong, successful & independent” you-go-girl was shopping for a husband.
When I showed up for the first screening which took place in a bar, I was met by a woman with pink hair, a f~~gy guy, and another fatty with a clipboard and a scowl on her face. They asked me to “describe my ideal woman”, and I responded by saying “Are you kidding? I’m not ordering a PIZZA here…”
The pink haired fraggle LOVED that answer and she applauded.
The other two were …. not impressed.SHE is looking for an ideal husband. Not the other way around. So I don’t know why they would even ASK such a silly question. Their entire approach was ass-backwards and it was amusing to say the least.
Then bitchy-resting-face asked “Is getting married & having kids something you’re interested in?”. …. to which I replied: “That’s not really up to me. My desire to sign a marriage contract (*winks*) would depend entirely on the woman and what kind of person she is. So would my desire to have kids. I would want to have kids WITH HER – or not at all. I think it borders on insane when someone clasps their hands together and wants to get married to someone they haven’t even MET yet.“
The f~~gy one and bitchface were so triggered I had to try and stop from laughing.
But it’s the truth and a very sensible answer.I require no motivation to go my own way.
I would require plenty of motivation to NOT.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
Anonymous6Once you go MGTOW, you see red pills in everything, literally EVERYTHING!!! In another lifetime, with a better class of woman to choose from, I wouldn’t mind settling down. I really would like to have a son. And having a family is always a plus when going into politics. But as it stands today, with how huge the divorce rate is, I cannot, in good conscience make the choice to put my livelihood and assets at risk.
Women want someone they can live off of. I remember seeing on social media, a women said, “A woman should be able to take maternity leave from work for six months after the baby is born and not have to worry about any bills”. That statement just sounds entitled. I got a LOT of s~~~ that I want to do, and I cannot get it done with a wife & kid in tow.
I wanna travel, I wanna go to new places, meet new people, experience different cultures, I WANT TO DESIGN MY HOUSE HOW I F~~~ING WANT TO!! I like lifted trucks, and would like to start going to some truck & car shows. Parts are expensive, I can’t imagine having to ask my wife or “ol lady”, for permission to buy a truck part.
But think about that for a second. If it’s known that I have this nice truck and park it at this nice house. She’s going to want to try and figure out a way to get her hands on what I have. They want me for what I have, not for who I am. They want what I can do for them.
Think about a wife, all the s~~~ that she paid for before you came along, YOU have to pay for now. All the makeup, weave, nails, eyelashes, fake t~~~, fake ass, fake fake fake fake fake. But they have the nerve to want a real man.
I just cannot bring myself to doing it. And facts prove that If you make it to 30, with no kids, no baby momma, and have a career, the sky is the limit. I know they argument against me is, “ALL WOMEN AREN’T LIKE THAT”.
Well that may be true, but you have to dig through so much s~~~ to get to the diamond, that by the time you get it, it’s not even worth it anymore. Emotions back up their line of thinking, FACTS back up mine. And the facts prove that we have in the country a divorce rate of almost 60%. That’s like taking ten couples and telling six of them that they will be getting divorced.
Keep in mind that, that number does not count people who want a divorce but cannot afford one. And it doesn’t count people who want a divorce but are waiting for the kids to get to a certain age. When all this is considered, i’m sure that number goes up into the 70’s. I really want to see that Census report in 2020. As it stands right now, marriage is not in the cards for ol Venom here.
I have a different take – the opposite actually.
I require no conscious motivation to GMOW . . . .
I would require motivation to do it another way.this is very interesting.
come to think of it, I feel extremely depressed and hopeless whenever a relative or a family member opens up the subject of marriage to me. but I feel good when I’m faced with a situation where I end up applying MGTOW knowlege to it.so it’s sort of a mixed feeling for me, it feels good most of the time but not so other times. but with no consequences unlike if I’ve been still a blue guy.
You wouldn’t know this about me, but I was once a possible early contestant for the TV show “millionaire matchmaker”…. where a “strong, successful & independent” you-go-girl was shopping for a husband.
if u were actually picked and won that show, would the marriage be legal and fully accounted for or it’s just for shows and everyone part ways afterwards ?
and if so would u have gone through it.
I’ve been screened into X factor and some singing shows but never matchmaking shows, especially for millionaires.I require no motivation to go my own way.
I would require plenty of motivation to NOT.perhaps one day I’ll be able to say this as well. all I know so far is my confidence and life has never been this good, and wouldn’t have been if I didn’t GMOW.
The longer you’ve been MGTOW the easier it gets; this is my personal experience. Especially after coming out of a relationship (even short term), there’s an initial euphoria that seems to be common to new MGTOWs. In the long term, you find ways to occupy your time, find hobbies, make other single friends. Yes, we are sexual beings, but that fades over time with age and with lack of companionship. MGTOW came naturally to me. Who wants to put up with the mess that are dating sites? Yeah, there’s clubs and bars, but I never went to those places to meet women, I went for the drinks and cigars.
If you think the post might be lacking, perhaps because it is a bit abstract in the way it describes the MGTOW psychology. I think it is fairly straightforward personally.
Keeping your goals, ambitions and dreams at heart really makes a difference. Find something to invest yourself into. MGTOW is one form of investment, I think, as ideally it reflects a life long goal, it’s a lifestyle choice. Hobbies are great. Start a career or push yourself to move forward in your current career. Planning for retirement is a lofty goal; stay debt free and save money. Be self sufficient as much as possible; grow a garden to cut down on food costs and learn to cook.
Most importantly always give yourself something to look forward to. Plan for a vacation and set a goal of saving up the money to pay for it without going into debt, then when you have the cash, let yourself loose! Rinse, lather and repeat.
Mr. Boats: "'Avoid the reeking herd! Shun the polluted flock! Live like that stoic bird, the eagle of the rock!' You know what that means, son?" -American Splendor
With the way things are these days as far as women go, it would now be against my very nature to go to the plantation, because i despise what i see and feel when i look at it. So was i born to resist women and relationships and sex ? i don’t know, but it’s the way it turned out due to the circumstances.
Once I started down the MGTOW path, turning around or going back had never once entered my mind. I am even becoming more inclined to avoid women. I won’t even speak to one if it isn’t absolutely necessary.
I’m not sure that I understand why any MGTOW would want to go back, especially the divorced ones. I wonder what the difference is between those guys and guys like me…
For me the most powerful thing about finding MGTOW was discovering I wasn’t alone. I had these feelings and started coming to the MGTOW conclusions but felt all alone. Then I found out I wasn’t. That’s powerful. Even if I never meet another man who considers himself MGTOW in my life, it’s good to know I’m not alone and I’m not crazy. Well, maybe a little crazy, but not in my conclusions about the nature of women, what a s~~~ty deal marriage is and how society doesn’t give a s~~~ about the average man.
Anonymous18I would like to borrow @oldbill‘s wisdom he shared few weeks ago.
Pain of discipline vs pain of regret.
MGTOW prevents pain of regrets – 100% effective.
And no one claimed the discipline to train biology and hindbrain eager to mount a broad was an easy task.
The Blue pill idiots use ‘mgtow is for losers, it’s easy to give up’ … As a shaming tactic.
The pain of rewiring the neurons is withdrawal. The satisfaction of MGTOW comes only once you accept yourself for who you are. Far removed from the sheep ideology.
Which unfortunately might mean you have to get back to plantation and get some lashes to accept the dehumanizing conditions ‘real men addicted to female validation and sex’ have to put up with.
Once you remove emotions and feelings, a man can’t think rationally and not be a mghow.
I was f~~~ed over during the my schooling, that is a pretty good motivation not to throw it away. The will to survive and prosper inherent to men is unbelievably strong.
A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!
For me the most powerful thing about finding MGTOW was discovering I wasn’t alone. I had these feelings and started coming to the MGTOW conclusions but felt all alone.
This was really a big deal for me too! I kinda felt like a freak. Before I heard about “MGTOW”, I really thought that I was the only one who felt the way I did about women and relations~~~s…
The will to survive and prosper inherent to men is unbelievably strong.
Survival! Exactly! MGTOW is as much a part of surviving as eating, drinking and breathing…
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