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Im going to be as honest as possible here, and Id appreciate honest replies. Many times members state an attitude of:
1. “Im going my own way, and I dont care how that effects women. Ill simply do my own thing.”
But sometimes the same members also describe this sentiment:
2. “Look at how many women are suffering as the result of us going our own way. Their stuck single, childless, and COMPLAINING! Were WINNING! ”
Those two sentiments are contradictory in my mind.
Sometimes, I myself have a conflict with both of them. Because there is a certain amount of resentment towards someone who is seemilngly out to get you with an alterior motive; and its nice to see them stuck with their well deserved rewards.
At the same time I find the idea of “I dont give a f~~~…end up as you may” coupled with the delight of their despair, obviously disengeious.
This might be unpopular, but I CANT be the ONLY one who has thought of this.
Again, Im probably guilty of it myself. Ill say this: I lean on the side of CARING: Id like to see justice served and women having a dose of their own medicine.
Resident cynic.
Let’s be honest, many if not most of us here have suffered frustration, shame, abuse, financial loss, emotional trauma and physical violence from females in our lives. I’d be willing to bet it is as a result of one or more of these experiences that we have, to whatever degree, been able to break out of our training and shrug off the yokes of expectation and self-sacrifice that females, through society, have placed upon us.
Now while it may be the “bigger man” thing to do to simply walk off that plantation into a life of freedom and self-determination and never look back, we would be lying to ourselves if we said that those experiences have not left scars and that those scars are not going to interfere with our lives in some way,
Maybe we can not undo the scars they gave us but there is no reason that we should simply walk without enjoying some degree of catharsis in seeing those who used to hold power over us suffer as a result of their loss of that power.
Don’t mistake me, I don’t want to see anyone suffer unduly, to see any innocent be punished, or even to turn the tables, right a wrong or exact retribution. No, these things are against my ethical code and they hold no interest for me. But I certainly do not mind watching someone suffer and fail as a result of their own bad behaviors and poor choices.
Females have always known the game they play with us… there are no innocents on their side of the table, it has always been us men who have blindly accepted our role as providers, protectors and disposable utilities… all we ever wanted in return was some love and respect and the company of a female to make our lives more tolerable., but they played us for their own advantage and used our own number against us through proxy violence to make sure we continued to play by their rules… and now that we’ve begun to break free, they are going to fall flat on their faces and I am very much okay with that.
I don’t want any female to be hit by a bus and killed for pretending to care about me while she extracted resources from me, but I do want to see men wise up and avoid her those and then watch as she hits the wall and loses her ability to gain advantage in society based on her youth and beauty. I want to be in the front row when she wakes up and realizes that she’s squandered the best years of her life scrabbling for attention, doing drugs and hopping from dick to dick and I want to look down on her when she lifts up her eyes to me and says “you always loved me, I was so wrong to do what I did to you, please help” and I get to softly whisper “no”.
That’s just her reaping what she has sewn.
Aside from that, I couldn’t give a s~~~. Knock yourselves out, ladies, she was the last of your ranks who will ever draw blood from me again, I have no interest in teaching, helping, explaining or arguing with any of them, they can do what they want just as I do what I want… only they won’t have me to kick around any more.
I have a hard time sharing the same feelings that most men seem to have here. At least what I think they have.
Thing is I’m still young. Very young, and I’ve never been in an intimate relationship. I’ve seen other people in them and concluded I shouldn’t drag myself into it. I’ll just leave my thoughts simple and clear. I don’t dance on people’s graves and revenge is rather petty.
Steve there is a difference between revenge and to simply enjoy seeing someone who hurt you for their own sake now be alone themselves, it is not getting a taste of their own medicine, it is having taken in the wrong poison (Old saying of medicine is poison and poison is medicine if in the right / wrong dose if you didn’t get the joke)
Interesting. I have same thing going about not only feminazis/feeling of payback etc. but also politics and other s~~~ty stuff happening,
I don’t see this as feelings excluding each other really.-> I try not to care about some things and not taking part in them for as much as possible. ->
-> I do whatever I do with my life, considering circumstances.
-> I observe things willingly or unwillingly (via mass media, rumors, news, talking with friends etc.) ->
-> I have my own thoughts and ideas about the thing.
-> If something happens I feel sad or happy about it. Positive feeling/occurrence can charge me up ->
-> I continue on living my life. ->
-> Repeat. ->Overall, not carrying and participating in something, doesn’t mean I stop from thinking, feeling or analyzing the situations around me.
I dunno if I would want to make it more simple, as Im not a simple robot anyway, to just exclude any thinking or emotions completely.
-> Ignore the issue.
-> Not thinking or feeling about it.
-> Getting no + or – from it
-> Doing your own thing.
-> Repeat.If we simplify it even more –
>Ignore> DoYourThing >Repeat >
That would be some specific-task making robot that got a constant energy source and Zero psychology, and nothing else.Seems almost impossible, idealistically.
For that, I would need to have my own planet, without any country but my own.
Im not a Vulcan from StarTrek, maybe I will better myself/become more indifferent with time, maybe I don’t.Either way, its part of My Way, shaping my own thinking and emotional state. A bumpy road so far, but worth it.
I do have moments of Serenity, relaxing on nature, learning in college or watching something/reading mgtow material, listening to music.There are more of such moments, still a life around is not as simple as to be completely ignored, as much as I wish I could.
And good things I try not to ignore, but concentrate on, of course.
Payback/Karma can be a good, positive feeling, to charge you up.-----------
I studied Oriental martial arts when a teenager (I wish I had started younger). The martial arts introduced me to Zen meditation and that opened my way to finding “serenity.” That’s my input to a possible solution to your situation.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
I studied Oriental martial arts when a teenager (I wish I had started younger). The martial arts introduced me to Zen meditation and that opened my way to finding “serenity.” That’s my input to a possible solution to your situation.
Is the serenity constant in your day to day life, and if yes, does something get you out of it ? Is it a constant state of mind.
Or is serenity just some moments you can create for yourself ?
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I will not willfully do harm to others. Not in my nature or code of ethics. But Karma is a bitch. I didn’t make that rule but you can count on it.
#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
Anonymous42I will not willfully do harm to others. Not in my nature or code of ethics. But Karma is a bitch. I didn’t make that rule but you can count on it.
Absolutly H.R.! I’m out of the cycle of damaging karma! It’s like getting real drunk 4.0, then the hangover and days of being washed out (Karma). My head is filled with many fond memories I traded for the scared mind of a man subjected to modern women! Each fond memory is a pearl in a string of pearls stretching as far as the mind can see! Running paralleled is all the suffering and torture I’ve seen other men endure along the way. My MGHOW is concrete and justified beyond retort.
The poor kids I’ve seen with that broken look on their faces as the mother smashes the family to pieces is to much for me to bear. And now like always, it’s progressing and appears to be on a path of utter destruction.
I want no part of women and society, with the rottenness they have become.Addressing: “Being Transparent About Your Objective”, Again, Absolutly! I would like to share the “Declaration of Brookhaven Condemned Family Campground”, but it’s still in litigation as the judge has defaulted on the last motion put before the court. I dwell in the abyss of broken law, I take measures necessary. No body likes a pussy foot, punch them straight between the eyes, and give it all you got!
I dislike women for thousands of reasons, but i would never harm them, rather what i do is i just ignore them and move on with my own life..
Over the years I learned that finding contradictory statements incompatible is an easy way out in describing the system, but it’s a faulty premise in most cases. True contradictory statements enrich a system with additional meaning, while binary thinking and exclusion of a statement by deeming it “untrue” – hurts the understanding of a system on a deeper level.
In real world situation (not a construct) there are no true or false statements, but instead – there are valid and invalid statements. Finding truth is easy – most of the time – it’s “all of the above”
proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome
MGHOW was never an objective for me, it was and continues to be a way of life. I do notice different levels of it here. I can tell who is bitter and who really doesn’t care what women do. I don’t blame anyone for being bitter after suffering, but I really feel like I’m on another level because I’ve never felt satisfaction from the suffering of others. I do find it humorous when women try to pull me into their problems, though, like somehow it became my problem. They don’t understand that I’m happy, having no responsibilities, being independent, and being retired at a young age. They really can’t comprehend that I don’t want what they’re selling. The look of confusion on their faces is kind of sad honestly.
2. “Look at how many women are suffering as the result of us going our own way. Their stuck single, childless, and COMPLAINING! .
Outside of basic human kindness, courtesy, and charity are we responsible for the unhappiness of others?
If a man on this forum complained that he is unhappy because he doesn’t have a job or just got his ass kicked in a divorce, we would offer condolences and advice, but we would not necessarily offer up our houses for shelter, assist in job hunting, or give him the phone number to our sister’s phone.
How is it ANY man has a personal responsibility to any woman to marry them, let alone sire children with them? Given the risks and assume that there IS some form of implied social, or moral responsibility, the risks to personal, emotional, and financial damage outweighs them.
"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.
Those two sentiments are contradictory in my mind.
They are contradictory, whether someone wants to believe it or not. Let me introduce the term schadenfreude to many here. It’s a German word which is directly translated as “harm-joy. In English it’s used to denote the feeling of joy, glee, or pleasure when you see another suffer misfortune or fail. Those crabs in the bucket we always refer to are experiencing schadenfreude.
Hating someone – even a woman – enough to enjoy their misfortune means you still care and taking joy from anyone’s misfortune – even a woman’s – should be beneath us. We’re supposed to be better than that. We’re supposed to be going our own way. We’re supposed to be dealing with life on our own terms and not merely reacting.
Sometimes, I myself have a conflict with both of them. Because there is a certain amount of resentment towards someone who is seemilngly (sic) out to get you with an alterior (sic) motive; and its nice to see them stuck with their well deserved rewards.
You’re human so you’re going to have conflict, you’re going to feel resentment, and you’re going to enjoy seeing them get their just deserts. The real test is whether or not you acknowledge that thinking on your part and work to lessen it.
Ill say this: I lean on the side of CARING: Id like to see justice served and women having a dose of their own medicine.
I think the line is crossed when your caring leads you to become an active agent in seeing that justice is served. If your choices are dictated more by a desire for justice or revenge than by the goal of living on your terms, you have a problem because your desire for justice and revenge means your actions are driven by the actions of others. You’re still being reactive.
Steve there is a difference between revenge and to simply enjoy seeing someone who hurt you for their own sake now be alone themselves, it is not getting a taste of their own medicine, it is having taken in the wrong poison (Old saying of medicine is poison and poison is medicine if in the right / wrong dose if you didn’t get the joke)
That’s true, but it’s a difference of degree and not kind.
Revenge means you’ve acted to hurt someone who hurt you, while schadenfreude means you “simply’ enjoy the hurt others. Both, however, mean that your actions are being driven by the actions of others and that is something we should strive to limit in our lives.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
I was reading article by a t~~~ called Myths of mgtow: also read the comments on that page which was more interesting, some of our fellow members responded to it, but what I got out of it was.
1. There were regular men, who were defending mgtow, and found it very helpful to them to see the reality. These men said their not considered mgtow.
2. If a t~~~ tries to shame mgtow, then expect the Empire To Strike Back.
3. Fewer and fewer men are coming to the aid of women, she actually had to fight solo. Didn’t fair to well either. So manginas and white knights are slowly disappearing.
Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.
Those two sentiments are contradictory in my mind.
They are contradictory, whether someone wants to believe it or not. Let me introduce the term schadenfreude
“What’s that, some kind of Nazi word?”
“Yup! It means ‘happiness at the misfortune of others’!”
“‘Happiness at the misfortune of others’—that is German!”". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée
There’s a part of me that believes the behavior of modern women is the same as it has always been. Its just that we can see it easier for what it is now that their traditional roles have gone away. So its the same old behavior amplified and out in the open for all to see.
Another part of me believes much of the behavior of modern women are recent developments brought about by changes in our society.
Odds are its a combination of the two.
In light of this point of view, I tend to have differing emotional responses to different situations – all with the context of “I’m doing my own thing and I don’t care how it affects women”.
– When I read some pretty blatant stupid s~~~ coming from feminist, I’m both amused and angered at the same time. It reinforces my belief that the rift between the genders is the result of a small, vocal group determining what is best for everyone.
– When I read the heinous, violent things some women do to men and children, and yet are not punished or represented in the media as harshly as if a man had done the crime, I’m angered and saddened at the same time. It reinforces my view that society is pro-woman and anti-male.
– When I read about a 30-something woman, post-wall, who bemoans the fact that she’s single and childless, I feel a little sad for her but also realize this was her own doing. It reinforces my belief that individuals need to take responsibility for their own actions.In all cases, there’s a part of me that celebrates a little because – many women have brought this onto themselves – and now men are finally recognizing this simple fact.
Its validation in my chosen lifestyle.
Honestly, I get a good chuckle out of women, and men getting their “just rewards” for their deeds and words. There are a lot of phrase out there that that describe it. “Karma is a bitch”, what goes around comes around”, “you reap what you sow”, and “do unto others” are just a few.
As for women “suffering” due to losing their free ride at the cost of men? awwwww pumpkin, go earn it, and pay for it yourself now. I, among many other men do NOT care about her/their suffering anymore.
Over the course of my life so far, I have met too many women that treat men, children, and pets in their lives, as disposable toys to be gotten rid of when they become inconvenient, rather than living breathing entities with needs and rights. So my empathy levels are a tad low.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. There are times to be pro active, reactive, or inactive. Just because I don’t care anymore, doesn’t mean I’m being reactive.There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it
Its validation in my chosen lifestyle.
I seriously can”t thumbs up this enough
There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it
Revenge means you’ve acted to hurt someone who hurt you, while schadenfreude means you “simply’ enjoy the hurt others. Both, however, mean that your actions are being driven by the actions of others and that is something we should strive to limit in our lives.
There is a video going around wherein a supposed terrorist shoulders an RPG, aims to fire it and then drops his muzzle, projecting the grenade at a nearby wall and right back at himself… almost certainly resulting in his death.
Now, assuming this person was, in fact, a terrorist and did, in fact, intend to do harm with this or some future RPG round, is it revenge or schadenfreude to see his aggression combine with his ineptitude to secure his own demise?
Perhaps there are more than just two possible answers?
This notion that a MGTOWs life should in no way be responsive to the actions of others… well congratulations to you if you’re an island but I am not. I still live in this world and I still experience people attempting to use and manipulate me and I am not immune to the desire to see what I would call justice being done to them when their snares catch them by their feet instead of me.
And let’s be honest with ourselves… avoidance is a response as well. Sorry, but unless you are completely isolated from and simply do not experience any form of female or societal pressure to be anything other than your raw, natural self then you are responding to the actions of others simply by being alive. MGTOW is a response. Going your own way is a response. Talking about it here is a response. Doing nothing is a response. Let’s not get so full of ourselves that we honestly think we are above the world. We’re swimming in it and just as sure as any creature that lives in the sea is drinking fish p~~~, we are surrounded by and constantly responding to female and societal expectations and pressures.
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