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  • #176729
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    Anonymous
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    I consider myself an atheist and I feel like the philosophy of MGTOW leans a lot towards atheism.

    I’m not trying to stir up any arguments, do your own thing. I was just wondering what the majority of you believe in.

    I also dislike the term atheism because it feels like its own religion in itself. I wish there were just those who don’t believe.

    #176733
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    MINDustry
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    Doesn’t really matter to me.

    I’m Agnostic but I believe we have a soul and that the body is just a shell. Agree, or disagree. I don’t really care.

    I’d like to believe I’m more than a sack of bones and some flesh.

    #176740
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    I’m an atheist. Although, if something extraordinary were to happen, I’d believe. I just need proof. Don’t get me wrong, I want to believe in God, but my rational mind just won’t allow it without proof. Just like I want to believe in a unicorn, but until I see proof of one actually existing, I won’t believe.

    Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

    #176747
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    Pabsawake
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    I do believe in a Higher Power, but I would like to know where the f~~~ he’s been lately.

    "You can either love women or understand them, you can't do both". Truth over everything

    #176749
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    Biggvs_Dickvs
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    Jeffersonian Deism here.

    "Data, I would be delighted to offer any advice I can on understanding women. When I have some, I'll let you know." --Captain Picard,

    #176767
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    Faust For Science
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    I have found that the less religious I become the more spiritual I become.

    #176775
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    Cali
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    Christian.

    Just Sayin'

    Just a misogynist virgin hiding away in his mother's basement. Nothing to see here...

    #176799

    Anonymous
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    I just need proof.

    Same.

    #176800
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    Ohno
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    It would contradict the physical law of cause and effect if the universe just started existing by itself.

    #176802
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    Ohno
    Ohno
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    I want to believe in God, but my rational mind just won’t allow it without proof.

    The bible prophecies is how god prooves that he really exists.

    What if someone would do actual wonders, like let fire come down from heaven with his hands? would you believe him that hes Jesus?

    #176839
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    Anonymous
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    Welp, I know I have beat this sovereignty thing into the grown already, but I will get up and do it once more here. If you are religious, and you give or devote your life to a religion, or let that religion sway you in any way in life, you have given up sovereignty, to varying degrees of course depending on circumstances, to said religion. An example of this is one who is willing to fight a war against those of a different religion, but if the enemy were of the same religion he would not fight, though in both instances he felt killing was wrong. This is more common than one would think…

    Atheist here.

    #176847
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    Anonymous
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    By age fourteen I was convinced that there was no higher power on this Earth other than man.
    I’m not a believer and do not much care what label is pinned on me.

    But just in case, if this problem men have with feminist is a test for all men, well he can go f~~~ himself.

    #176872
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    MINDustry
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    I don’t care about anything else but the question of “what happens when we die?” and I’m convinced physics has the answer.

    Since there is no such thing as “nothing”, non-existence after death is theoretically impossible.

    Sure, our physical body isn’t here anymore. Our bodies might die and decay but the body is just a shell. But who WE are as a person has taken some other form of consciousness. I do believe we have a soul. Either that or we simply “re-boot” ala reincarnation of some sort.

    The worst case scenario, which doesn’t make much sense to me, is that death is indeed the end in which case we won’t know any better since we will be obliterated out of existence. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.

    We are the universe being conscious of itself.

    Think about this for awhile.

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    Anonymous
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    well he can go f~~~ himself.

    I’ve said stuff like this in front of people before the shock value is priceless haha

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    Theronius
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    I don’t believe in a god. If I did, I would have to assume he/she/it was a cruel, perverted, nasty mother f~~~er who just simply created the whole universe so he could watch people suffer and eventually die. A being who would invent and demand prayer, with no intent to answer. One who would punish a lifetime of devotion with pain and ruin, while rewarding evil with all the pleasures life has to offer, all on a seemingly random basis. That may seem harsh, but it is pretty much how the Greeks saw their gods.

    "I am is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that I do is the longest sentence?" - George Carlin

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    IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)
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    The idea of “proof” is such a rabbit hole, and can’t be answered here. There is a need to establish what you would consider a valid measure, and also, what would be your response if you did get proof. I personally find the merely mentally affirming things to be true, as “faith” to be pretty useless.

    In regards to MGTOW and religion, I believe that you historically find the way of MGTOW in the way of the monk, and monastic orders. Men would go off, take vows to never marry, and not pursue the ways of the world. Hermits are related to monks in this regard also. It wasn’t just a case of issues with women, but the whole world order itself. This way has seemed to be hidden by the world now, as it pushes for sex drive gratifying and so on.

    "I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

    #176891

    Anonymous
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    well he can go f~~~ himself.

    I’ve said stuff like this in front of people before the shock value is priceless haha

    No point pulling punches.

    #176902

    Anonymous
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    No point pulling punches.

    No point in a lot of things. I don’t go out of my to say it but it has came up.

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    Cali
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    If you are religious, and you give or devote your life to a religion, or let that religion sway you in any way in life, you have given up sovereignty, to varying degrees of course depending on circumstances, to said religion.

    Not true. The whole point of religion is continually choosing to believe and act upon a specific set of things. The minute any religion (be it Communism, Catholicism, or Islam) is forced on you, it ceases to be religion and becomes mere coercion, which defeats the point of religion. I choose to be a Christian, using my God-given sovereignty to do what I know and believe to be right. By your logic, if you dedicate yourself to any ideals, you are giving up your sovereignty to those ideals.

    I don’t care about anything else but the question of “what happens when we die?” and I’m convinced physics has the answer.

    Since there is no such thing as “nothing”, non-existence after death is theoretically impossible.

    Sure, our physical body isn’t here anymore. Our bodies might die and decay but the body is just a shell. But who WE are as a person has taken some other form of consciousness. I do believe we have a soul. Either that or we simply “re-boot” ala reincarnation of some sort.

    The question then becomes this: If you believe that you will still be conscious after you die, and there is a fifty-fifty chance that God exists (since technically no one can prove that He doesn’t), then why would you ever bet against that? If you were a criminal on trial, and the judge said “you have two choices: choice number one is that I flip this coin, and if it lands on heads, I send you off to life in prison in Somalia. Choice number two is that you agree to sign up for this rehabilitation program and do some hard labor, and either way, you will be free after six years”, which would you take? Besides, there is still no way I’m believing that nothing can evolve to become as sophisticated as the universe around us. Not until I see it happen outside a lab, that is.

    I don’t believe in a god. If I did, I would have to assume he/she/it was a cruel, perverted, nasty mother f~~~er who just simply created the whole universe so he could watch people suffer and eventually die. A being who would invent and demand prayer, with no intent to answer. One who would punish a lifetime of devotion with pain and ruin, while rewarding evil with all the pleasures life has to offer, all on a seemingly random basis. That may seem harsh, but it is pretty much how the Greeks saw their gods.

    I would say that your statements are based on faulty logic:

    What if God created people with free will, and they chose to screw things up for themselves while fully knowing the consequences?

    What if, like a teacher knowing some of his students would make mistakes, drop out of school, and fail anyways, He signed up to give people an option to do what they were built to do. What if what God wants us to do is merely what we were originally made to do?

    What if, instead of “having no intent to listen”, God hears everything, sees everything, and knows everything? What if He knows when to intervene according to the plan He has, and that if He intervened every time someone asked Him to, the world would certainly not be perfect, but would instead be full of people who used God like a candy machine?

    What if God sees every person who devoted his life to serving Him, and when they die, there IS something after death, that something being a reward greater than any of us could ever imagine?

    What if God doesn’t reward evildoers at all, but instead allows them to exercise their free will within the boundaries He set up? What if, when they die, they are given every bit of what they really deserve?

    All of your statements have plausible alternative explanations. You have obviously become discouraged, but I would urge you to reconsider.

    Just a misogynist virgin hiding away in his mother's basement. Nothing to see here...

    #176939
    Ohno
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    I know what its like to be an atheist. I have been one 30 years of my life.
    To believe i needed proof too…I studied the bible alot and still am and found plenty prooves in the last 2 years. Yea, it really does look like god exists.

    Im not religious and wont ever be.
    You shoudlnt mix up being religious and being a believer.
    I will never go into a church ( again ), because Im not supposed to join these cults according to the bible.

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