MGTOW and Military service

[bstoffParticipant 4865]

While I agree that the “causes” we are called to in the military seem a lot less worthy as I remember them when I was in the military, I think I gained a lot from my experience with it. I was active duty Army and later National Guard, with a relatively uneventful deployment to Bosnia. There were a lot of adventure and male bonding experiences, as well as lots of exciting experiences I probably would not have gotten had I not been involved with the military. However, I now realize that I was used and manipulated for purposes I no longer support. Thankfully, I eventually got my mind cleared up and rejected all of the crap I had instilled into me by public education, religious and military indoctrination, societal pressures, and worst of all, television.
While I have previously encouraged young people to join up for the experience and college money, I will NOT recommend military duty to anyone now. Mainly because I’ve grown up and opened my eyes to the manipulation of both men and women in our society to believe what the people in power tell them, to their own detriment and enslavement.
You will definitely not be going your own way in the military. You will be following orders and conditioning yourself for marriage and all kinds of other brainwashing and mind-ruining experiences.

[AscendedParticipant 698]

I don’t see serving the army as the opposite of going one’s way. It’s irrelevant.
I see going it’s own way as in avoiding marriage. Simple as that.

There are reasons why men go to the army. I believe some want to.

"We are free to follow our own path. There are those who will take that freedom from us, and too many of you gladly give it. But it is our ability to choose – whatever you think is true – that makes us human. There is no book or teacher to give you the answers, to show you the path. Choose your own way! Do not follow me, or anyone else."

[Symmetric MGTOWParticipant 570]

No offense to anyone here guys but…

enslaving yourself to the state <> enslaving yourself to women

Wut?

You are disposable to both of them, none of them truly cares about your well being. You are just a number to both of them.

I am actually more afraid of the state than I am of women. And we all know here how women use the state to get what they want.

It’s a zero sum game for men, both of them.

Happy to see that other guys here see the military as a form of slavery. It truly is. However, if any of you guys was a former soldier or anything, I respect that. Just don’t ask me to respect the institution as a collective. I can, however, respect any of you as individuals.

[Symmetric MGTOWParticipant 570]

Budtao wrote:

Yeah, little hard to go your own way when you volunteer to become a slave to the state.

Anonymous wrote:

Solid point Theronius. If one is a psychotic bloodthirsty maniac who likes to shower with men, the military is indeed a great place. It is still not going one’s own way though, you are pointed and directed at every step. This site is called Men go their own way, not Men go the way they are commanded to go.

MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To Give wrote:

Military is White Knighting on steroids…. just my opinion.

You guys rock!

That’s something I could never stand in the other “MGTOW” forum. They just love to kiss the military’s ass, and if you don’t play along you are a SJW or whatever…

Thanks, but no thanks.

[GrumpyParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

One cannot be MGTOW and be in the military. Not sure how someone can argue against this statement, though I am curious to see if some will try…

I f~~~ing laughed so hard until I realized you were serious.

Interesting that you would make a statement denigrating the people that serve to allow you to make such a comment, close any further debate, and then dismiss further response
I have met professional soldiers of every rank level, trade (MOS/MOC) from a variety of Nations, both allied and not.
1. Everyone joins for their own reasons (GTOW)
2. Not everyone joins Combat trades
3. Some are career, some are short term.
4. Most leave with a varied skill set and are highly adaptable (whether innately or trained to be)
5. Contrary to popular belief most are better educated than people think. (My tank gunner had a masters degree in Civil Engineering, loader was a programmer, my driver was a former high school teacher, I was the dumb ass that only did electronics/explosives/communications). As a small example.
6. Of all the former soldiers I personally know, with the exception of 2, all of them would be classified as MGTOW, and not one of them are at the bottom of the socioeconomic barrel.
7. Military service, most definitely teaches a man his level of disposability, how you deal with that is your business.
8. Doing what you love to do, regardless of the circumstances, is not going your own way in what manner?
9. Of course you are entitled to your opinions, as am I and anyone else for that matter.
10. Your welcome.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[Tiga KParticipant 1693]

Symmetric MGTOW wrote:

That’s something I could never stand in the other “MGTOW” forum. They just love to kiss the military’s ass, and if you don’t play along you are a SJW or whatever…

Thanks, but no thanks.

Oh yes. The nationalistic… oopss… I mean “patriotic” tradconesque mgtow. Once we had one of them on the site that called guys with a moral issue with the military cowards. The hero complex in these people can be quite annoying. Anyone withb even a slightly negative comment about the military is a ignorant youth or goddamn dirty communist. Like I said, I don’t have an issue considering them a fellow mghow, but I can’t agree with them.

[mp357Participant 531]

i dont agree with most things related to the state but if you served you got my respect. i know i couldnt do it

[Anonymous 24]

Duke of Mangaf wrote:

Just from your snarky replies I can tell you never served, are probably under 30 and have never left the country (the Caribbean doesn’t count) or possibly even your home town.

You have made no solid points to refute my statement. On top of that your speculations about me are wrong on all accounts except my lack of military service, you see, I am MGTOW, therefore I have not willingly served anyone contractually, especially when it involves my life or the taking of other’s lives against my own best judgement. I have maintained my sovereignty as much as possible. This is the mission statement on the about page on this website. Make it mean what you will as I have seen some of you try to do. It does not say we are just against marriage or feminism, it is about SOVEREIGNTY. Petition to have it changed if you must.

Have a nice day,
Joe

[Anonymous 24]

Grumpy wrote:

JoeBauers wrote:

One cannot be MGTOW and be in the military. Not sure how someone can argue against this statement, though I am curious to see if some will try…

I f~~~ing laughed so hard until I realized you were serious.

Interesting that you would make a statement denigrating the people that serve to allow you to make such a comment, close any further debate, and then dismiss further response

I did not and do not denigrate those who serve any military, I am just pointing out something. I am sorry that this is such an emotional topic for some. I invite further debate. I just have not seen any way to refute my statement, I have tried to do so myself, and I cannot. The sad fact here is only that some red pills are tougher to get down than others.

[Anonymous 3]

It seems like even MGTOW.com is undergoing the same betalization process, and fast. The amount of blue and purple pill rhetoric here is disheartening to look at. In just about every other thread, might I add, actually it’s more like every single one nowadays, not only this one.

Just wanted to say this so that you others out there who are also aware of this but have decided to remain silent and lurk, yeah you’re not alone. It appears that the a big number of men here are ultimately all blue pill at heart. Everything else is but a temporary facade.

Those of you who think I’m just an idiot whining, you’re also correct. Pay me no mind, and carry on.

[Symmetric MGTOWParticipant 570]

Anonymous wrote:

It seems like even MGTOW.com is undergoing the same betalization process, and fast. The amount of blue and purple pill rhetoric here is disheartening to look at. In just about every other thread, might I add, actually it’s more like every single one nowadays, not only this one.

Just wanted to say this so that you others out there who are also aware of this but have decided to remain silent and lurk, yeah you’re not alone. It appears that the a big number of men here are ultimately all blue pill at heart. Everything else is but a temporary facade.

Those of you who think I’m just an idiot whining, you’re also correct. Pay me no mind, and carry on.

You are being extremely vague, what’s blue pill according to you in the context of this discussion?

[BudtaoParticipant 293]

Anonymous wrote:

Those of you who think I’m just an idiot whining, you’re also correct. Pay me no mind, and carry on.

Best ending of a post so far this year.

Nirvanna is never having to worry about a woman ever again.

[Anonymous 3]

Symmetric MGTOW wrote:

You are being extremely vague, what’s blue pill according to you in the context of this discussion?

Isn’t it obvious? Blue pill is a metaphor for being in the matrix. A lot of men here on MGTOW.com think they’re red pill but in reality, they’re still in the matrix, rationalizing in support for its infrastructures, shaming men who decide to stay out, and worst of all, ready at a moment’s notice to throw their lives away “their own way” because they’re “MGTOW”.

Do you get what I’m saying now?

[Symmetric MGTOWParticipant 570]

Anonymous wrote:

Grumpy wrote:

JoeBauers wrote:

One cannot be MGTOW and be in the military. Not sure how someone can argue against this statement, though I am curious to see if some will try…

I f~~~ing laughed so hard until I realized you were serious.

Interesting that you would make a statement denigrating the people that serve to allow you to make such a comment, close any further debate, and then dismiss further response

I did not and do not denigrate those who serve any military, I am just pointing out something. I am sorry that this is such an emotional topic for some. I invite further debate. I just have not seen any way to refute my statement, I have tried to do so myself, and I cannot. The sad fact here is only that some red pills are tougher to get down than others.

This is the toughest of red pills anyone could ever swallow:

[Tiga KParticipant 1693]

Anonymous wrote:

It seems like even MGTOW.com is undergoing the same betalization process, and fast. The amount of blue and purple pill rhetoric here is disheartening to look at. In just about every other thread, might I add, actually it’s more like every single one nowadays, not only this one.

Just wanted to say this so that you others out there who are also aware of this but have decided to remain silent and lurk, yeah you’re not alone. It appears that the a big number of men here are ultimately all blue pill at heart. Everything else is but a temporary facade.

Those of you who think I’m just an idiot whining, you’re also correct. Pay me no mind, and carry on.

I love your post. You are one of the first forum members I recognized by name when I first joined a few months ago. Of course, I tend to agree with you just like I do now.

[Anonymous 24]

I get through about two books a week right now, I will put that one on the list, though I think I have a good grasp of it’s principals from a synopsis I just read. I have pretty much read all that Chomsky and Ron Paul have written, as well as a scattering of stuff from many others.

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

I agree with this assessment, however, for practical purposes, being “blue pill at heart” is entirely irrelevant and can only result in witch hunts as one discredits another by levelling unfalsifiable accusations.

I would instead make the distinction between those that have gone their own way as a result of poor circumstances as opposed to those who have done so for ideological reasons. The former was a good little servant, and would have continued doing so until an external force prevented this. He desired servitude and may still desire it under a different master. The latter, having been educated not by direct malice by certain entities but by observation, is the most likely to continue going his own way and not to fall in to the many traps that females (i.e. “society”) and the gynocentric regime have placed upon the well-trodden path.

Anonymous wrote:

Just wanted to say this so that you others out there who are also aware of this but have decided to remain silent and lurk, yeah you’re not alone. It appears that the a big number of men here are ultimately all blue pill at heart. Everything else is but a temporary façade.

[Tiga KParticipant 1693]

@ CH

I agree. True change comes from within, circumstance alone is inadequate.

[Anonymous 5]

Just draft all the f~~~ing c~~~s to fight the wars. They want equality, let the females fight!

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