MGTOW and Daughters after a divorce

[Scott TurnerParticipant 24]

I have been through a protracted and bitter divorce. I have only one child and she is a young 10 year old. The divorce went over 5 years and 32 different court cases dealing with several allegations that each time i was exonerated on. I have spent 250k on legal fee’s. Most of the allegations involved my daughter. I have spoken to my daughter about this and she acknowledges that the allegations were the result of coaching and threats made by her mother. I have told her that i do not go to pickup or her major events in her life in fear of another false allegation but also because people perceive these allegations to be true as she has told people that they are to make her mother happy but also she enjoys the sympathy those lies generates.

I feel my daughter is indifferent to right and wrong due to she is a female not due to she is child stuck in the middle of a bad divorce. I believe a male child would act differently. As a result i have told her not to call myself Dad any more and this year refused to see her on fathers day. If she wants to tell people that i am the worst scum on the planet and enjoy the sympathy that those lies generates, she need to find someone else to worship the ground she walks on.

It is not my ex-wife that has made myself MGTOW but my daughter. I believe that she is cold and indifferent to male suffering and male suffering something to enjoy.

Has anyone else gone MGTOW and sworn off all relationships with females due to their daughter.

[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

Sorry don’t have children myself but you have my sympathies.

[DocParticipant]

That’s quite a first post.

My daughter is 4 Hell will freeze over before I let her become like her mother and grandmother.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[Anonymous 43]

I had to tell my kids that I couldn’t go to their concerts and parades because of the distance and that the c~~~ would make some scene and accuse me of whatever.

When I moved two states away, I escaped the c~~~’s antics, but took myself out of my kids lives. I can only imagine the s~~~ that was told to my kids about me in my absence.

I spent $300,000 to fight that fight, and I lost. I drove 800 miles to go to court one last time, I lost my appeal, and the judgment would render me homeless for almost 5 months. after court I met up with my then 13 year old daughter in a Starbucks. she eviscerated me for 30 minutes, her c~~~ mother’s words coming out of my daughter’s face. after she and the c~~~ left, I sat in my car and cried for several hours. I then drove the 800 miles home, and sold and gave away my furniture and anything I wouldn’t need. two weeks later I was living in a tent at the RV park in the edge of town, while teaching at a middle school.

it is the most terrible thing when your own child tells you she does not want you in her life, that she believes the lies the c~~~ mother tells her. someday the wickedness will be exposed.

your ex wife and my c~~~ can share a seat on the bus to hell, we paid the fare.

I am sorry this happened to you. This will hurt for a long time. I hope that our daughters figure out what their mothers did to them, and go looking for us. If I may be so bold as to say you fought a good fight, one that we men will never win. What happened to us was inevitable as the sunrise.

Take care of yourself. visit this site as you need to vent. Talk to us, we are walking down the same road.

welcome, brother.

[Silver FoxParticipant 2766]

Scott, I can sympathize. I have two young my daughters myself and I cannot imagine my anger if I lost them to feminism. I am one of the very few men who won full custody after my divorce.

As for being MGTOW with daughters, I have reflected on the fact that I probably would have chosen to remain childless if I had a crystal ball years ago. I love my daughters very much and would never wish them away but I never wanted to be a parent like this.

I can fully understand how a daughter could make you go your own way though. If a daughter despises her own father and wants nothing to do with him simply because she enjoys the sympathy her lies have solicited, then that is a massive knife in your back.

"Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife." --Apostle Paul

[Anonymous 43]

silver fox I have the same dilemma

love the kids, hate the outcome and I would be better off never having met the mother, thus negating the children.

[Silver FoxParticipant 2766]

Anonymous wrote:

silver fox I have the same dilemma

love the kids, hate the outcome and I would be better off never having met the mother, thus negating the children.

It’s a difficult thing to explain, isn’t it? I’ve found that if I’m not careful, it can sound like I’m wishing that my kids would just disappear, which isn’t true… but that’s how my own mom chose to interpret it when I first mentioned the idea in passing once. Even after a thorough explanation she still seemed suspicious.

"Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife." --Apostle Paul

[MoreSkyParticipant 4865]

Scott, I have a 13 year old daughter, and although my own divorce was considerably more amicable than yours, I do have concerns that she will grow up to the have the same lack of respect for men and will take advantage of them as her mother has.

At the moment she is a typical teenage girl, and does not appear to take sides, she can still wrap her Dad round her little finger and she is the only female who will ever be able to do that to me any more. However, I do take my parental responsibilities seriously and do my best to educate her about these sorts of issues when the occasion arises. Whether it will be enough, I don’t know.

I do not believe your daughter is to blame for the apparent indifference. At 10 years old she would do whatever her mother says, especially if she was brainwashed and threatened. As she grows up she may understand the reality or she may not. She certainly won’t be able to without a positive male role model, so I fail to see the point of trying to alienate yourself from her because of the actions of her mother.

She is your daughter, and if you give up on her then you are no different to her mother.

My opinion based on the information you have given. Many will disagree.

"...reinvent your life because you must; it is your life and its history and the present belong only to you.” It is Your Life, Charles Bukowski.

[RomulusParticipant 4667]

She certainly won’t be able to without a positive male role model, so I fail to see the point of trying to alienate yourself from her because of the actions of her mother.
She is your daughter, and if you give up on her then you are no different to her mother.

I am in agreement with moresky. I raised two daughters as a single dad after my divorce. I don’t think there is necessarily a good way to hold back all the cultural and social influences that are negatively affecting young women currently. Its hard to compete with TV, the internet, schools, popular media, so on. And as teenagers or younger, they are not going to want to always hear dad running down women, or their mother. Or to engage dad is long conversations on what’s wrong with women. I suggest staying away from all that until they are older.
But I can and did influence them with manners and to have values concerning how you treat another PERSON.

How can a woman be expected to be happy with a man who insists on treating her as if she were a perfectly normal human being.

[MoreSkyParticipant 4865]

Romulus wrote:

But I can and did influence them with manners and to have values concerning how you treat another PERSON.

Well said and well done.

"...reinvent your life because you must; it is your life and its history and the present belong only to you.” It is Your Life, Charles Bukowski.

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22507]

She unfortunately probably will.

First and foremost, awalt. You cannot change this. You can only restrain it.

Second, look at what is training her.

The only thing I have found that really controls hypergamy is a strong Christian morality. A real one, not a liberal veneer of religion. Also if they grew up having the golden rule enforced on them.

Otherwise there is no effective restraint on hypergamy.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

I’ve seen this stuff plenty of times unfortunately. The wimmin get the kids, and the wimmin get in the heads of the kids and feed them bulls~~~ (the one thing they’re good at). This stuff should be a major warning to any MGTOW men thinking about, or wanting kids. Look at the heartbreak, hassle, and drama that becomes a part of your life. Look what happens. Because that’s what’s waiting for you. #NoWifeNoKidsNoProblems Children are only pawns to be used against you both in and out of court. Do yourself the favor. Don’t have them if you have the choice. You’ll be avoiding the mine field that your fellow brothers are trying to navigate.

[Scott TurnerParticipant 24]

Romulus wrote:

so I fail to see the point of trying to alienate yourself from her because of the actions of her mother.

She is your daughter, and if you give up on her then you are no different to her mother.

My opinion based on the information you have given. Many will disagree.

Thanks for voicing your opinion, i do not agree but appreciate your input.

I do not view myself as alienating my child from myself or from her mother. I cannot control the behaviour of my ex and i am responding to that. I believe this will continue all my child’s life. This will get worse when my child becomes a teenager and naturally do not want to be around either parent on the weekend. Due to the intense campaign i believe i have limited time before the relationship will expire and may resume later in life.

During one of the trials the judge read out a statement of the consequence of parent alienation, it went for over an hour and looked at my ex while making the statement. One section stuck with myself and that was, teenagers that have been through parent alienation will have less respect for authority later in life as they been taught that its ok to lie and only consider their own desire’s when dealing with authority.

I have had every allegation thrown against myself, Drugs/DV/Child abuse. I believe my daughter has no reason to respect myself unless i do say this behaviour that your participating in is not acceptable, it has sever consequences for others and eventually come back to yourself. If i do not react to this behaviour, why would she believe there are consequences for lying later in life, in relationships and dealing with the law.

Every time i do pickup my daughter at school, other parents reach for their children. I been told by my lawyers do not go to your daughter’s school plays as given your case history, your ex will take another IVO against yourself and if you present in any situation that your ex is at, it gives more credence to any false claim. I have had 3 IVO’s each one was overturn by the federal court. My ex even took one against my 85 year old mother that i financed the legal fight to get removed.

I have asked my child to tell her teachers and her doctor’s that these allegation in the past were at the behest of her mother. I do not want her teachers or Dr’s to do anything other than to take facts into account when another allegation occurs. My child has not done this so i must presume that she would rather people to believe these lies to be true.

I been told at the age of 13, the court orders no longer apply and she can live with whoever she chooses. At the moment i have access 3 weekends each month and half holidays. I am debating in cutting off all access as i am just a visitor in her life and in no way a actual father. I cannot see her play’s and her peers believe i am scum. I am debating in making it clear that for us to continue in having a relationship, she needs to live with myself when she turns 13 and visit her mother every weekend. If this does not occur it is not a relationship that approximates a father and child should have and not worth it for myself. In fact it is a extreme detriment financially. Mentally is extremely taxing to continue. I have experienced suicide ideation due to the last 5 years.

For that to sink in as a real outcome unless something changes, she needs to experience life without myself so when she turns 13 she understands she needs to take a decision or never see myself again. Once i do cut her off, i will do my best to forget her and move on with life, go my own way and keep to myself hoping never to experience this pain again. Throw myself into work and self development. I will make the assumption that my ex has completed alienation of my child and i never see her again. Considering our actual relationship, it is easier to move on being the visitor and not a father.

[Scott TurnerParticipant 24]

Anonymous wrote:

Take care of yourself. visit this site as you need to vent. Talk to us, we are walking down the same road.

welcome, brother.

Thank you.

[HitmanParticipant]

scott.
please post a proper intro.
regarding your situation,
the kid is brainwashed.
it might not last forever though.
i would advise to try and include her in your life.
at any cost.
it will be worth it when she sees your’e NOT who the mother told her you are.
you are very very welcome here,
stay and vent.
learn .
you have many great men here to help.

[Scott TurnerParticipant 24]

Hitman wrote:

please post a proper intro.

Sorry what do you mean, a proper intro…. a proper intro for what?

[Silver FoxParticipant 2766]

There is an Introduction page here in the forums where new members can post their stories for the benefit of everyone here. Be careful to protect your real identity, of course.

"Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife." --Apostle Paul

[Scott TurnerParticipant 24]

Silver Fox wrote:

There is an Introduction page here in the forums where new members can post their stories for the benefit of everyone here. Be careful to protect your real identity, of course.

Thanks Silver Fox, i found the link and will think about what to say as a introduction.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Scott Turner wrote:

Silver Fox wrote:

There is an Introduction page here in the forums where new members can post their stories for the benefit of everyone here. Be careful to protect your real identity, of course.

Thanks Silver Fox, i found the link and will think about what to say as a introduction.

It’s considered good form as a new member to post an introduction sharing a little about yourself and your story etc.

[CurmudgeonParticipant 64]

Scott Turner wrote:

she acknowledges that the allegations were the result of coaching and threats made by her mother.

Scott: my daughter was the same age as your daughter during the divorce and her mother also talked endless s~~~ about me to our kids. Fast forward 20 plus years and my daughter has made me a grandfather 3 times…the best part of getting old/retired. Reminding my kids that I divorced their mom and NOT them, they grow up and see their hypergamous ungrateful mother for what she is. My daughter reminds me of her mother somewhat these days, but my ex-wife’s behavior turned me into going my own direction (“MGTOW”). I help my son-in-law to enable him to spend more time after work with the kids to be a traditional dad.
Scott: it’s hard to endure the insanity of family court and the aftermath of being a dad (or watered down version of dad thanks to our gynocracy). Do the best you can and with time perhaps you’re love as a dad will sink into the head of your daughter. You’re the DAD and you can make a difference! Keep us posted and feel free to vent as needed. Peace

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