MGTOW and Consumerism

[The DonParticipant 69]

I would be very curious to get everyone’s thoughts on the dichotomy of MGTOW and consumerism/materialism. When I was full blue pill as a younger man, most if not all of my consumption and spending decisions were based upon how they would be viewed by women. As I progress along the red pill road, it seems like my desire to buy, spend, shop and consume are in full decline, almost to the point of flatline. I work in marketing and earn a six-figure salary, but I couldn’t care less about going to the mall and buying useless consumer crap, overpriced trinkets and 7 dollar smoothies. Does MGTOW engender opting out not only of relationships and the endless chase of the unattainable, but also out of blowing money and racking up debt? It seems to, at least in my life. I earn high, spend little, and seem to be becoming minimalist more and more by the day. No wonder society wants to put the lid on the whole MGTOW universe. Does anyone else agree?

"I spent my life trying not to be careless. Women and children can be careless, but not men." - Don Corleone -

[RorschachParticipant 2083]

A majority of the retail marketing is centered around women. Women want s~~~ or want to do s~~~ that costs money constantly. When your not trying to impress them or go out on expensive dates or get into any kind of dependent situation with them it frees up so much of your resources. One of the hardest parts I had of getting past the red pill rage was all the free time I had to think about it. The resources are abundant when you go your own way. You have more money, you have more time, you have things generally the way you want, you don’t have to do s~~~ you dont want to besides work. I spoil myself nowadays. Do what I want, eat what I want. Maxxed out my 401k contrib and still have money leftover after bills. I figure the money I put towards my retirement would have been what I would have wasted on courting some soul sucking sperm recepticle. At least if I make it to be old I’ll be able pay some young hot thing to wash my ass up after I s~~~ myself.

The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "save us!"....... and i'll look down and whisper "No."

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8288]

Not dating women has made it easier for me to buy gifts for myself. Personally, I haven’t stopped the consumerism—although women aren’t benefiting from it.

There are certain businesses that will not benefit from my MGTOW lifestyle: jewelry stores, wedding planners and other wedding related stuff (flowers, cakes, etc.), flower shops, Disney Family Vacation packages, daycare, baby stuff: diapers, cribs, milk bottles, pacifiers, etc.), medical clinics (pediatricians), clothing stores for children, little league fees, soccer practice fees, karate school (for kids), summer camp fees for kids, boy/girl scout fees, family health care/dental plans, furniture for kids, hospitals (bills for a pregnant woman, bills for sick/injured kids), and several other purchases one would make if he were married with children.

And since I don’t live with a woman, I won’t have to worry about giving her money to decorate the house with useless trinkets. I mainly buy stuff that has some practical use. My most expensive item is a Martin acoustic guitar. It’s rare for me to buy something that I’m just going to look at. I have no posters or framed photos on my walls. My apartment is a vision of poverty, but it’s comfortable for me.

I’m planning to live a frugal lifestyle. I will get my credit cards paid off. Then I’ll save up some money to buy a car. In the past, I felt the desire to buy something I wanted as soon as possible. Now, I’m more patient. I can wait until I have enough money to buy something I really want—without large monthly payments.

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[DarkRyuParticipant 2354]

Men need VERY LITTLE to be happy. Women do NOT buy because of any logical NEED, but because of their useless, stupid FEELINGS! “I’ll feel XXXXXXX if I buy this!” “Buying this makes me feel XXXXXXX!” Women need to buy s~~~ to justify their existence. They’re insecure, stupid creatures with no real self worth. Their worth is determined by how much useless s~~~ they can accumulate.

Sure, I love to buy nice things. But I only buy what I actually NEED and I buy NICE things because I only want to have to buy the thing ONCE. I do NOT like “shopping” and I only go into a store for a LOGICAL purpose. I don’t even go on Amazon or other online stores “just to look” like women do. If I’m looking for something, I’ll go find it and buy it. Otherwise, Amazon may as well not even exist when I’m not looking to buy something specific.

This is why men are a NIGHTMARE to market to. Women are stupid and gullible and will buy things based solely on emotion. You can get a guy to buy something on emotion too, but it’s much more difficult. Men are LOGICAL and PRACTICAL. Stuff weighs you down. The less stuff I have, the better. I’d rather have 2 pieces of NICE furniture than a bunch of cheap s~~~ from Walmart. And once I have a basic set of furniture, I AM DONE. I *MIGHT* update it when it starts looking super outdated (like 20-40 years), but I take care of my s~~~ and I only buy nice s~~~, so I might only buy 1 kitchen table in my ENTIRE LIFE. Women? They would change out the kitchen table as often as they change their sheets if you let them.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

The Don wrote:

As I progress along the red pill road, it seems like my desire to buy, spend, shop and consume are in full decline, almost to the point of flatline

It’s not usual to buy a leather jacket – or even a car – based on how a woman thinks you will look in it. I did care more than I should have about smaller things, but I can also maintain I NEVER bought a car or made a significant move/purchase/decision for female approval.

A female sales person could never influence a sale by saying “that looks good on you”. My response would just be “everything does”. Then she usually walks away. Whatever works. I just want to be left alone when browsing.

The Don wrote:

As I progress along the red pill road, it seems like my desire to buy, spend, shop and consume are in full decline, almost to the point of flatline. Does anyone else agree?

Nodding.

I get a little pang around the holidays where something in me says “if you want something, just buy it”, but I don’t do it nearly often enough. In fact, I “felt guilty” buying a couple of pairs of jeans I liked, and have no idea why. I snapped myself out of it and bought them anyway. That was my “frivolous consumerism” for the year.

I have no insatiable desire to “have more stuff”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

With men and MGTOWs it should be like: genuine needs before instilled wants and personal intrinsic happiness before everything else.

Whereas with women more often than not it’s quite the opposite, fueled mainly by peer pressures and irrational feelings, only to occasionally be whisked around by the ever spinning rationalization hamster, who has plausible deniability for breakfast.

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

[rightturnclydeParticipant 705]

My spending has changed dramataclly as well but most of it was a result of divorce. Paying out $1/4 million in support payments forced me to go into debt but after 13 years I am starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. I cut out almost all frivilous purchases, live in a modest apartment, drive a basic car, quit smoking, reduced going out/ social drinking to under $50 a week and basically stopped wasting money. I still have a couple of “luxuries” but they fall under the category of hobbies and are an important part of my mental health. I have an old sports car, motorcycle and collect vintage audio equipment. I buy everthing in “as is” or not working condition and repair them and unlike the shoes or fashion of the week my purchases actually increase in value over time. Other than that I have only one financial goal and that is to buy property and begin an off the grid lifestyle. Everything else is fluff. I walked through a huge mall last week and came to the realization the book store I went to is the only store among them that has anything I want to buy. Ask any woman the same question and their answer will be much, much different.

[~BSParticipant 3266]

The Don wrote:

. Does MGTOW engender opting out not only of relationships and the endless chase of the unattainable, but also out of blowing money and racking up debt?

For me it does. MGTOW = no f~~~s given. Once you shed your need to buy stuff to impress women, it can also branch out to material things you used to buy to impress coworkers, friends, random strangers, etc. Once you dump all of that baggage, you truly go your own way.

I buy stuff when I need it and stuff that’s functional. I don’t replace clothes or other stuff needlessly, as typically happens when you shop with women. On that point, I HATE shopping in the first place.

Women are essentially children, and if you can make them feel a certain way (or promise they will), they’ll blindly buy something like sheep. If a friend says they like a certain product, they’ll blindly buy that too. That’s why companies and marketers LOVE women. They’re blind, like sheep.

"He didn't marry until now, so he won't ever do it. Think about it, why would a man like him ever marry? It's too late to catch him. " ~some cunt

[anonymousyamParticipant 4605]

Mgtow is about spending on what you want for your benefit and what you can afford.

So if you want to buy a new computer (just for example) you spend the money you earned and not getting into debt for no reason, for your benefit over that of a woman.

So while mgtow does not prohibit spending money, just don’t spend what you don’t have or for women.

Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.

[debt slayerrrrParticipant 36]

MGTOW lifestyle starves the industries that create the most distractions that are pointless in our life.

time to take our life’s back and reinvest that energy and money to create our own realities without the shackles this world pressures. those that strive for answers and research and progress can benefit greatly from the mgtow lifestyle.

get into minimalism and save up your money to do something you have been wanting to do to further your interests in whatever that might be.

[BoarParticipant]

Going your own way means not giving a f~~~ about what ANYONE else thinks of you. Freed from those social constraints, you are free to parse your resources as you see fit.

In one instance, you can move from scarcity to abundance with just a single thought.

Untamed wrote: Quit complaining and Go Your Own Way in whatever manner suits you best.

[TwistParticipant]

FunInTheSun wrote:

My most expensive item is a Martin acoustic guitar.

Same – D42. Cost about the same as the diamond ring I purchased decades ago. I still play the guitar every single day.

Its not cost. Its value.

I think I’ll put new strings on Tuesday to celebrate independence day.

[Anonymous 11]

I’ve always lived well under my means. I do things myself whenever possible saving money for the things I cannot do myself.

This hurricane recovery process that I’m going through is a perfect example. Had I used licensed contractors, I would not be barely breaking even on what the insurance paid me. I’ve also acquired some new tools and skills too. My father taught me to do things myself whenever possible.

I took bids. One job where the high bid was $1,000 dollars had me recruit a friend. We did it for $35 dollars in materials and three leisurely man hours of labor. I had one asshole I took a bid from for the roofing. I told him my brand of roofing shingles and the color. He told me he’d pick the shingles and tried to charge me a 56% markup over Home Depot’s price per bundle. I told him to pound sand. I helped my roofer friend do the work. Labor and materials were $250 versus the $1200 quote that asshole gave me.

I deprived contractors of multiple thousands of dollars of profit that would have come straight out of my ass. I’m also getting better quality of work done too. Many of these contractors are shady as hell.

[RockmaninoffParticipant 1641]

Keymaster wrote:

I get a little pang around the holidays where something in me says “if you want something, just buy it”, but I don’t do it nearly often enough. In fact, I “felt guilty” buying a couple of pairs of jeans I liked, and have no idea why. I snapped myself out of it and bought them anyway. That was my “frivolous consumerism” for the year.

To tell whether it’s a frivolous purchase or not, use the “Random Stranger Test.”

Pretend a stranger came up to you and offered you the choice between the item or cash for the full amount of the item. If your choice is the item, then you legitimately want it. If you would take the cash, then your desire for the item is a whim, an impulse, and should not be acted on.

". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée

[AFTParticipant 2726]

It’s amazing how little I spend now that I’m on my own.

I live better now than ever before.

I love good quality food, not necessarily expensive just nutritious and great tasting.

Reading, exercise and cooking don’t cost a lot and they are the most satisfying activities.

Women are an overpriced pastime, whilst I enjoy sex, the price is rarely worth it.

My time is better spent towards productive uses.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[Anonymous 0]

Sort of a coincidence that I watched a Netflix show on Minimalism just days before I found MGTOW. They definitely seem to fit together nicely.

[trader1913Participant 1577]

Resource signaling and transfer is a fundamental part of the male-female dynamic. When you take away men buying things to display wealth/status and men buying things for women/children consumerism fades away into irrelevancy.

Consumerism and all of its corollaries are the expression of resource signaling and transfer within a capitalist framework.
It is not a phenomenon on it’s own, rather it is a symptom of human behavioural tendencies.

[BrujahParticipant 579]

Going my own way has definitely increased my personal spending money but ironically, I’ve had an increase dissatisfaction in material happiness. I landed a job not too long ago which paid me so much more than any of my previous jobs combined but the paycheck felt utterly hollow.

I think it’s only a matter of time before I quit my job and disappear somewhere. The only reason why I’m putting up with my job and it’s hours is because I need to eat and I still haven’t figured out what I want to do with my life.

[Anonymous 24]

I went full on anti-consumerism when I went MGTOW about a decade ago. Likely half because I do not wish to participate/contribute to a broken/corrupt system and half because I don’t need s~~~ to impress a woman.

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

I’ve often wondered why it is that the state seems so intent on transferring money from men to women. Taxes, divorce courts etc etc. We all know the ways. As I read through these posts, which I agree with 100%, it occurs to me again that the original theory I had about this as a much younger man, which is that the economy is stimulated by anything that transfers money from one hand to another. The state knows that leaving that money in the hands of whomever actually worked for it will mean that it will transfer much more slowly, whereas putting it into the hands of someone who did not earn it will mean that it gets spent much more quickly. I wonder now if the reason for the state’s bias toward moving money out of the hands of men and into the hands of women really is that simple… to just provide a stimulus to the economy?

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