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If you are reading this forum or have joined you likely have such a low opinion of women, I dont need to state why you likely do or what they have done and continue to do as you can read plenty of messages on here to justify your own thoughts or mirror your own life experience.
My question for the group, and it is one I wrestle with and still do, does living a MGTOW lifestyle go against your desire to have children(many men pretend they dont want kids because they hate women so much) or do you take steps to have kids while protecting yourself financially or with the belief that you expect to split from the mother of your kids but dont care because wanting kids comes first.
I learned many of my thoughts on women starting at an early age through dating and just watching how pretty women treated men they professed to love or want to be with over all the suitors vying for their attention. I found Al Bundy’s “No Ma’am” philosophy on life to be humorous but realistic and understandable. To me it was the beginning of the modern MGTOW movement with the difference being todays MGTOW man is instead not a sloth but a successful articulate man who knows how to express hate for women in an objective honest way.
My point is that as I got older I learned I didnt want to be married. I could do without sex as I aged and it became obvious porn was much better than tolerating women who were horrible in all aspects of life despite saying I love you etc. However I wanted children for many reasons, some logical, some illogical.
I wrestled with things as part of me still believed Id meet a quality woman who knew what it meant to be a partner, wife, and mother who didnt weigh 300 lbs. Clearly this unicorn just does not exist with few exceptions so I got married when I was 35. It was 8 years of pure hell that made me emotionally and financially drained and I finally got the courage to leave and do not speak to the ex on any level with the main reason being her attempt to alienate me from my daughters offering me two days per month. That was three years ago when I left and she does not exist to me despite us having two beautiful daughters who are now 10 and 7 and which I share 50/50 custody only because I found out she was a fan fiction porn addict and even the worst judge wouldnt give her stay at home ass majority custody after reading her graphic stories(the same judge would have given me supervised visits had I wrote all that stuff so dont think the courts are fair gentleman).
Following such a crappy relationship, despite me being close to my daughters, the emotional and financial hell has to make any sane man ask, is your desire for children worth the headache of reproducing.
Its easy for me to say I am MGTOW and not speaking to women on any level, but I would be curious as to opinions of others about whether your desire for kids was worth the bad relationship with their mother, is your desire for kids not as great as your desire not to deal with these crazy women, and lastly if you went through a bad relationship only learning things too late and have kids, is the relationship with your kids and whatever pride you have from them, worth the hell you went through.
I am curious as to how all this information shapes you in your approach and your regrets when it comes to children. Are you truly happy with your decision to check out and not have kids? Do you regret having kids in light of what it did to you emotionally and financially? Do you want kids and look for ways to have them without being tied to a woman through marriage? If so, how do you do it and how receptive are the women to such an approach.
As a man who believes in the value of family and having kids, but was smart enough to leave, albeit a bit late, once I realized that such fantasies belonged to my parents in how they grew up in the 50s and how they handled raising me and my sister to give me a great childhood with a typical middle class upbringing.
Are you truly happy with your decision to check out and not have kids? I can’t answer this one since I have kids and would be speculating about how I’d feel if I didn’t have kids. My eldest is 11, and so much could happen in that time, positive and negative.
Do you regret having kids in light of what it did to you emotionally and financially? Absolutely not. I have a hard time regretting anything that had a major impact on my life. And themselves are not the expensive (without no return) part really in themselves, it’s the mother/ex-wife that comes with it. And though much of my time with my ex was crappy, I did have some good times, I did learn much about life, and I changed because of that experience, for the better I think.
If I was giving the option of doing it all again, or opting for a retry, I would do it all again in a heartbeat. Most likely, I would have married someone else that wasn’t as good as my ex, since I probably would have been more desperate and still naïve. I would have different kids, but I love the ones I got. I suppose if I went back with my current knowledge, I wouldn’t make the same mistakes, but probably would have made all new ones.
Do you want kids and look for ways to have them without being tied to a woman through marriage? If so, how do you do it and how receptive are the women to such an approach. I don’t know if my desire to have kids would be strong enough to try and get some without being married. If I did, I think I would look into doing some sort of surrogate, if that’s even possible. However, I’ve learned that I don’t want my kids around all the time. I like them to go with their mom for awhile so I can do what I can’t when they’re around more easily and such. So that mean having a child and sharing custody. Doing that from marriage is more expensive, but it seems like a way to go since you would have a better chance that she would be a good mother to your kids. Of course, mom can always turn on you and try and cut you out of the kids life. There is no good scenario for a man to have kids outside of marriage. The laws and the odds of sanity are not even close to being in your favor.
Ok. Then do it.
Don’t dislike females. Dislike their actions.
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Anonymous25Only way to have kids is surrogacy and even then you need to make sure you get it right legally with a country that has laws that protects you as a man. still likely to be a minefield.
if science ever invents artificial wombs, I doubt many men would want much more to do with women any longer. Their monopoly on reproduction will end. As mgtow grows I think we will start to see this as an area of application of men’s intelligence. Men went to the moon, so nurturing a baby without a woman can’t be that much of a challenge for science.
Correct me if I’m wrong guys, but so far the safest way is to get an egg donor from female A and have the embryo raised inside a separate surrogate female B.
I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop on that one though, not that our court system isn’t fair or just or anything(sarcasm).
This solution works for helping a son to have kids.In empathy for your having hopes for your children, I cannot think of an answer.
They could try going to all the feminists and seeking a solution and will end up sarcastically thanking them for the total mess they have made of their future.
"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
Correct me if I’m wrong guys, but so far the safest way is to get an egg donor from female A and have the embryo raised inside a separate surrogate female B.
There is another way. People in this country, including women, seem to fall somewhere on a spectrum where you have the Kartrashian types on one end, and the people from the Movie Fargo on the other.
The Kartrashian types as we all know are self centered, egotistical, money-and-material-uber-alles with a side of drama sorts of people, but often that is where the hotter chicks end up falling.
On the other hand, you have the Fargo types who exhibit a capacity for compassion, concern for their fellow human beings, and general all around decency.
The trick is to breed with the latter type.
I have a daughter with one of these types. Swedish/norwegian heritage, and I swear to god, except for the accents(we’re in Seattle), damn near exactly like the Fargo folk.
The whole family has been nothing but positive, helpful, and very supportive in every way when it comes to our daughter, and bear in mind, we never even got married.
I do pay child support every month, but I’m totally ok with it because I know for a fact it actually goes to the benefit of my kid – She pretty much doesn’t lack for anything (but not spoiled, or at least not in the extreme).
Our kid’s 13 now, and FWIW can already do pre-calc, write java code, and is a self published author. Plus she skis at the black diamond level.
So far I’m pretty happy with the results, but of course your mileage may and very likely will vary.
All I’m saying is that it can work out ok, but you have to be REALLY careful who you breed with, the key being to make sure that her family’s opinion of her is more important to her than the c~~~ carousel. Of course this is predicated upon her family being decent people too.
"Data, I would be delighted to offer any advice I can on understanding women. When I have some, I'll let you know." --Captain Picard,
Don’t dislike females. Dislike their actions.
Same, I don’t like c~~~s.
Male-feminists kinda c~~~s included.It is a common failing of childhood to think that if one makes a hero out of a demon the demon will be satisfied.
If you are reading this forum or have joined you likely have such a low opinion of women,
On the contrary. You will find most people here have a high opinion of women. Though, we define women as those born with female sexual organs whom are emotionally mature and take responsibly for their actions. With these women having enough self-respect not to spread their legs for a bad boy just because she is momentarily aroused in a physical manner by them. In other words these women have enough self-control to not be slaves to their bodies.
Unfortunately, women in this day and age are almost as rare as unicorns.
And instead, for the most part, all we have, whom are female, are lying, emotionally immature, irresponsible, selfish, hedonistic, arrogant, critical, parasites, that are raised to think they are princesses, with them thinking the world should treat them as such, whom act like p~~~ed off teenagers when even the smallest of things don’t go their way. We have no respect for such people.
Learn the difference.
I’m only 24, so I haven’t thought about it a lot, but if I ever felt a desire to have children, maybe I could try mentoring a kid instead. I could teach them guitar or help them get into strength training. Obviously, it wouldn’t be the same as having a little Tiga, but maybe it could work as a substitute.
As others have mentioned, it isn’t that we all have low opinions of women. There are a number of reasons for a man to go his own way. For example, a man could be fine with putting up with a woman, but he is put off by the government getting involved in relations (divorce laws) or maybe just society expecting the worse from men and making the dating game dangerous (rape “culture”(hysteria)).
Mgtow does not hate women’s we just understand.them
In this society they are not.your kids.legally.their are her.kids, so if something go wrong.in that.marriages legally she.gain custody and you better cross your finger that she dont decide to keep you away from them ,my.opinion not worth it ,plus if she.married.or find.a new boyfriend your.own.kids gonna start loving that stranges man so why bother
I will argue that kids can undermine your ability to go your own way. And if you want to do the single parent route, you will have even less help and even less chance to be able to go your own way. I would say, if you happen to think kids are little “Mini-Me’s” who will suddenly just become copies of you and this will afford you some sort of legacy of passing your awesomeness on to the world, you are likely not going to raise a kid right, and see what is best for them.
Sure, you can do it, if you want to bleed a bunch of money out, and have all your time tied up with them.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
In this society they are not.your kids.legally.their are her.kids, so if something go wrong.in that.marriages legally she.gain custody and you better cross your finger that she dont decide to keep you away from them ,my.opinion not worth it ,plus if she.married.or find.a new boyfriend your.own.kids gonna start loving that stranges man so why bother
Exactly.
I can confirm it to all men here: I have two children with my ex wife, a child with a friend and maybe another child (I’m not sure, she was married). The latter two are not mine, okay. But I have – officially – shared custody of my official children, and my son is very attached to me, I see him at least 3 days per week, most times 4 days per week. Much less my daughter. STILL: KIDS AREN’T MINE, ARE OF MY WIFE.SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.
I’m only 24, so I haven’t thought about it a lot, but if I ever felt a desire to have children, maybe I could try mentoring a kid instead. I could teach them guitar or help them get into strength training. Obviously, it wouldn’t be the same as having a little Tiga, but maybe it could work as a substitute.
As others have mentioned, it isn’t that we all have low opinions of women. There are a number of reasons for a man to go his own way. For example, a man could be fine with putting up with a woman, but he is put off by the government getting involved in relations (divorce laws) or maybe just society expecting the worse from men and making the dating game dangerous (rape “culture”(hysteria)).
You’re right. The main reason for being MGHOW is the laws and the courts, extremely biased against men, and then society encouraging women unaccountability and selfishness. It’s a deadly combination: basically women are encouraged to behave as children while having the upper hand in all litigations with a man.
Take in example divorce: why she should get the house and the children and half your stuff? How is that thing that women make 39% breadwinners within familes but men are paying 98% total alimonies? It should be men paying 61% alimonies and women paying 39% alimonies, since that is the proportion of breadwinners within families – I wouldn’t bother about a 35% instead of a 39%, nor even about a 30%, but 2% is quite suspect (that’s sarcasm). Why in Italy they’re voting a law that establish alimonies for cohabitation?SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.
todays MGTOW man is instead not a sloth but a successful articulate man who knows how to express hate for women in an objective honest way.
no hate . no hate brother..
only the truth about women which may cause a man to walk away or limit interaction.
no hate.
only the ability to see the manipulative ways and deceit with which they operate .
no hate .
hate is what it may feel like at first , then the realization is that you don’t hate
you understand who your’e dealing with .
no hate ..they’re just DUMB F~~~ING C~~~S .todays MGTOW man is instead not a sloth but a successful articulate man who knows how to express hate for women in an objective honest way.
no hate . no hate brother..
only the truth about women which may cause a man to walk away or limit interaction.
no hate.
only the ability to see the manipulative ways and deceit with which they operate .
no hate .
hate is what it may feel like at first , then the realization is that you don’t hate
you understand who your’e dealing with .
no hate ..they’re just DUMB F~~~ING C~~~S .Definitely. No hate. I used to hate. But now I don’t, ’cause now I know the truth.
As far as kids go, I don’t think its viable for MGTOWs (who don’t have kids) to rear children. That’s not our job….that’s the jobs of mothers. MGTOWs are not mothers, as far as I’m concerned. By ‘mother’ I only refer to that part of women that is biologically equipped and responsible for rearing children. We werern’t. So its up to them. We don’t take no part in that process. Yes, we were supposed to, but considering all that bulls~~~ you have to go through just to fulfill your biological duty of ‘seeding’, no thank you. Dear nature, find another way to reproduce children that doesn’t involve men.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Correct me if I’m wrong guys, but so far the safest way is to get an egg donor from female A and have the embryo raised inside a separate surrogate female B.
I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop on that one though, not that our court system isn’t fair or just or anything(sarcasm).U.S. wise that is the indeed the case.
Specifically it’s been worked out thoroughly that way in California.
On the pricier side of surrogacy services but they don’t have a problem working with single men ether. (If you can afford it, Globally speaking California seems to be the most reliable way to do it and also the most expensive). They say their common profile for single men tend to be wealthy single men who worked building a business or something and just never found the right woman or had the time to find her when they were young enough. (Snicker,.. It’s what I’ll tell them too if I go that route, Oh woe is me, I have no one to leave my millions too. HAH!)
You can even get yourself declared the sole parent in court prior to the child’s birth.
Men dont have/own/claim any kids in the west,all kids belong to the women and the state. Until massive reform is made in family courts men dont have any kids,they just help finance them. Yeah you have some cases where men get custody,but GENERALLY thats untrue.You can play russian roulette because you want to play a game of connect-the-atoms from thousands of years till present good luck! fatherhood is not worth it in 2016,those visions in your head about playing catch with your son doesnt exist because you’ll be to busy working to pay child support with the state aiming an invisible gun at your cranium.
Never lose sight of what brought you here.
I don’t owe western civilization a god damn thing!
No wife, no children, no debt, no problems!
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