#MeToo and lack of due process – from Ginsburg

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    Samurai Gent
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    https://reason.com/blog/2018/02/19/ruth-bader-ginsburg-due-process-me-too

    Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg thinks colleges and universities are violating the due process rights of students facing sexual misconduct charges.

    The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Rosen asked the Court’s second-ever female justice for her thoughts on the #MeToo movement. Unsurprisingly, Ginsburg was happy about the increased public attention being paid to the problems of sexual harassment and gender-based inequality in the workplace. But she was also concerned about protecting the due process rights of the accused—particularly on college campuses:

    Rosen: What about due process for the accused?

    Ginsburg: Well, that must not be ignored and it goes beyond sexual harassment. The person who is accused has a right to defend herself or himself, and we certainly should not lose sight of that. Recognizing that these are complaints that should be heard. There’s been criticism of some college codes of conduct for not giving the accused person a fair opportunity to be heard, and that’s one of the basic tenets of our system, as you know, everyone deserves a fair hearing.

    Rosen: Are some of those criticisms of the college codes valid?

    Ginsburg: Do I think they are? Yes.

    Note that Ginsburg was asked about due process, but not campuses specifically. The fact that she immediately suggested college codes of conduct as an example of a policy that sometimes violates “the basic tenets of our system,” says a great deal about the glaring unfairness of the modern approach to Title IX, the federal statute that requires universities to investigate sexual harassment and assault. And Ginsburg didn’t just make note of the controversy; she explicitly said critics of the current procedures have a point.

    One of those critics, Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, has rescinded some of the federal guidance that had contributed to the problem. A legacy of the Obama-era campus sexual misconduct, dictates the infamous 2011 “Dear Colleague” letter had instructed universities to follow sexual misconduct procedures that left little room for due process. The new administration withdrew this letter last September, though most universities have insisted that they will continue to operate as before.

    This means that many students who are accused of misconduct will still face investigatory procedures that seem hopelessly biased against them. Accused students are routinely denied the right to confront their accusers, refused access to crucial information about the nature of the charges against them, and forced to prove their innocence to a single bureaucrat who gets to play judge, jury, executioner, lead detective, and prosecutor.

    Defenders of what are commonly called “victim-centered” investigatory procedures say preventing rape is more important than obeying due process. But this is a false dichotomy, according to Ginsburg:

    Rosen: I think people are hungry for your thoughts about how to balance the values of due process against the need for increased gender equality.

    Ginsburg: It’s not one or the other. It’s both. We have a system of justice where people who are accused get due process, so it’s just applying to this field what we have applied generally.

    Students who were found responsible for sexual misconduct often sue their universities for violating their due process rights, and many of them have prevailed in court. If a campus sexual misconduct case adjudicated under the deficient standards ever made it all the way to the Supreme Court, it certainly sounds like Ginsburg would question whether the accused was given a meaningful opportunity to defend himself.

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    Joetech
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    I liked it better when if there was a rape there was a police report. This s~~~ of complaining to the college is where it all went to s~~~.

    "Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."

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    Actually kind of shocked Ginsburg is wanting due process. Being very liberal, perhaps some of Scalia rubbed off on her over the years of there friendship.

    mgtow is its own worst enemy- https://www.campusreform.org/

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    I liked it better when if there was a rape there was a police report. This s~~~ of complaining to the college is where it all went to s~~~.

    Even so, no consequences for filing false rape reports for women. Cops know across the nation false rape reports areone of the biggest faked crimes reported, in the area of 25-40% or higher, depending on the department keping track of it.

    Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

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    Samurai Gent
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    The social change they’re truly pushing isn’t #metoo or whatever the latest marxist garbage they spew. The true change is the elimination of due process and the implementation of the state police. First it’s via “democracy” (aka mob rule) which is justified (in their view) by the inequities of pervasive inequality and finally to be codified by the new enlightened state (communism). At the time of such implementation history shows us those who brought it about screaming for ‘equality’ will be the first ones against the wall and eliminated. Loss of due process is the key.

    When we’re accused or they try to shame us, do not submit. Do not give in to make things ‘easier’. Counter sue, fight back, burn it down to the ground and make them pay. Take down as many you can and make any victory they have so absolutely painful that they cannot fathom much less tolerate any notion of future victory.

    Fight.

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    Untamed
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    The whole system is breaking down thanks to Libtards feminists and Menginas. We see it everywhere. That’s why mgtow.com exists and why marriage rates are bottoming out. That’s why the innocents are guilty before being presumed innocent and the guilty walk free.

    The only way to solve that problem in schools is to implement Gender Segregation.

    Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
    Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
    #GenderSegragationNow!

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    IMickey503
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    oh NOW they want to do something about it. Tuff T~~~.

    You are all alone. If you have been falsely accused of RAPE, DV, PLEASE let all men know about the people who did this. http://register-her.net/web/guest/home

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    Cataphract
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    Gender Segregation

    And one of the simplest ways of ‘enforcing it’ will be via temperature control, make the female area 24°C/75°F while making the men’s area 18°C/64°F, thus making “sexist air-conditioning” a useful tool to keep the sexes apart at work because going quickly from one area to another that is 6°C/11°F different is very uncomfortable.

    Marriage: About as appealing as wood-chipper diving.

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    Russky
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    Gender Segregation

    And one of the simplest ways of ‘enforcing it’ will be via temperature control, make the female area 24°C/75°F while making the men’s area 18°C/64°F, thus making “sexist air-conditioning” a useful tool to keep the sexes apart at work because going quickly from one area to another that is 6°C/11°F different is very uncomfortable.

    This will only work on normal women. Hogs sweat so they like colder temps and AC.

    proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

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