Met my Blue Pill Incel Friend for Drinks

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Incel… Involuntarily Celibate… and the biggest f~~~ing white knight I’ve ever seen. He’s proud of the fact that he never makes the first move, just waits for his guy friends to snag a date then f~~~ up somehow so he can swoop in, knife them in the back and try to steal their girls.

Shameless traitor that he is, I still talk to him occasionally… mostly for the material, I guess. Tonight he delivered. It seems he overheard a domestic dispute in a Starbucks recently, an apparent lovers’ quarrel in which a woman berated a man for not texting her before he went to sleep… for over 90 minutes.

Now my friend’s assertion is that the guy was probably cheating, had been caught with his hand in the cookie jar and deserved to be dressed down… in public… at great length… because “Women never hold a guy accountable for treating them like s~~~.”

Knowing he was not ready for the red pill, I merely replied “If he wasn’t in a position where he could say ‘yeah, you got me… and I’m out!’ then that was his failure. But the woman… if you are so small and weak that you would KNOW your partner was cheating on you, call them out in public and make them twist and sweat for a hour and a half… then still be ready to accept an apology and stay with them (otherwise why all the theatrics… just dump loser and be done with it) then there is something REALLY wrong with you.”

Stunned silence.

I don’t know these people, didn’t even see the thing go down with my own eyes. But I guarantee you that if a man spent 90 minutes publicly browbeating a woman who had cheated on him, you wouldn’t be laughing and trying to congratulate him, you’d think he was the most evil sonofabitch you’d ever seen in your life. So why the f~~~ does this woman, who we otherwise know nothing about, get a f~~~ing Vagina Prize for taking a public dump on a man?

You no good self deluded pussy begging spineless incel transparent white knight mother f~~~er.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Now my friend’s assertion is that the guy was probably cheating, had been caught with his hand in the cookie jar and deserved to be dressed down… in public… at great length… because “Women never hold a guy accountable for treating them like s~~~.”

The guy is right….. but what he doesn’t know is WHY he’s right, and why women don’t hold guys accountable for treating them like s~~~. It’s because they PREFER to be treated like s~~~.

He needs to be explained that treating women like s~~~ is how to make them hot for you. That’s why she goes on about him for 90 minutes and won’t leav. He gives her her fix for drama. The only thing NOT texting her does….. is prove this clip is bang-on b~~~~ accurate.

/audio/how-to-treat-women/

If a guy treats her WELL…. would she have told him how wonderful he was for 90 minutes? Of course not.

Thats’ why you give her what she WANTS.
Give her what she PREFERS.
Give her what she thinks she DESERVES.
… to be treated like CRAP.

And she will love you for it.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

what he doesn’t know is WHY he’s right, and why women don’t hold guys accountable for treating them like s~~~. It’s because they PREFER to be treated like s~~~.

That’s fantastic. Wish I’d have thought of it at the moment. I was so dazzled by his shiny armor and blazing sword of social justice that it totally escaped me to point out the obvious. What I did tell him is that she clearly isn’t prepared to leave this guy or she wouldn’t have had him in the pillory for an hour and a half and that there are no female victims in bad relationships… certainly none that prance around in leather and high heels and publicly s~~~ on their men.

I also mentioned to him that if it had been a man publicly castigating a woman for 90 minutes, someone would have called the police. Even watching a woman castigating another one would have made people uncomfortable and begin to feel sorry for the ostensibly “guilty” party… but that it says a lot that society and manginas like himself think it’s funny to see a guy get beaten up.

Next time I’ll go straight for the red pill response. Worst case scenario is that he stops bringing me every piece of trash he finds around the office.

[Jim01Participant 6678]

KeyMaster is right – women thrive off of the drama as they watch all those s~~~ soaps and probably believe that is how real people behave so go out and behave like their “heroes” ie usually sluts who cheat

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Talked to the guy again tonight and told him the following:

Next time you want to tell me a story, leave out any references to gender, race and socio-economic status. Man and woman become “person”, he and she become “they”, etc. then tell me the story and if it still rings true, you can go back in and fill in the details.

For example: “A person asked another person out and the second person said yes but then did not show up, call or text at the appointed time.” That’s a good story about a bad person. As for your previous story: “A person was angry at another person and castigated them publicly in a Starbucks for 90 minutes. The other person sat there and took it but got so angry in the end that they almost took a swing at the first person.” Unless you’re making a point about mutually destructive relationships, this is a bad story about two bad people with no reason to be told except for the sake of gossip.

So then I suggested to him we try two more:

“There was a deep freeze and fallen branches took out the power in a small town for a week. Some people were outside in the frigid weather working to clear the debris, tag the fallen lines and restore power whereas other people stayed in their homes and waited for the power to come back on.”

“A scientist wore some potentially inappropriate clothing to a press conference and their achievement was ignored while they were publicly shamed because of how they were dressed.”

Now when your mind imagines that the first parties in both cases were men and the second parties were women, you feel these stories are true and valid. But if we reverse the genders and it’s the women who work hard for and are shamed by men, you get offended. So who is the sexist here… me or you?

The only people who should be granted special consideration in a story are people whose status should be introduced at the outset because of the mitigating impact it has on the story… people such as children, due to the fact that they are dependent on adults (“a person was left unattended” versus “an infant was left unattended”, for example).

Granting females special status simply because they are female is *inherently* sexist and denies them of agency in and responsibility for their actions.

Probably I won’t be hearing many more stories from this person.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@docfenders Clever.

Now when your mind imagines that the first parties in both cases were men and the second parties were women, you feel these stories are true and valid. But if we reverse the genders and it’s the women who work hard for and are shamed by men, you get offended. So who is the sexist here… me or you?

That’s it right there.

It occurred to me that people who throw the words “sexisT” and “racist” around are often easily outed as the sexist and racist ones themselves.

There’s a rather miserable fat chick (she happens to be black) who works at my local Starbucks. She’s always frowning and very “short” in her tone and manner. The other girl (white) is very nice and sees me coming and we have a little inside joke with one another.

Yesterday, the fat one got my order…. and when they ask “my name” to write on the cup, I usually mention a celebrity name. “George Clooney”… or “Brad Pitt”…. or “Oprah” …. or “Michael Jackson” (I’m white). It’s a lingering joke with the others that I am different celebrity every day, and when they call out that the coffee is ready, they shout “triple espresso for Michael Jackson!!” and it cracks everyone up.

But not this bitch. Today, I was Michael Jackson.

She didn’t even smile or think it was even slightly amusing. But everyone ELSE there does.

So when she asked my name, and I said Michael Jackson, she said: “that’s kind of racist”.

I leaned in and asked: “Is it because I’m white?”

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

So last night I met this same blue pill guy for dinner and drinks and we had a nice long chat about bartenders, white knighting and MGTOW. Here are a few highlights:

Me: “If you owned a bar and were going to hire your first bartender and could choose between a man and a woman, which would you choose?”

After first answering “The woman… everyone loves to look at t~~~.” he finally admitted that a man would work harder, care more and be a better asset in general than a woman and that a person should be hired for their skill and not for their ability to get bags of saline implanted into their bodies. Plus if you run a good bar, it will attract men who will attract t~~~ so you get them in the end anyway and don’t have to pay or take responsibility for them.

And when it came to White Knighting… here’s what happened:

Him: “Scoot down one so I can offer these women next to me my seat.”
Me: “Looks like they’ve already got enough seats…”
Him: <stands up and offers chair to female>
Female: <ignores him because they’ve already got seats>
Me: <suppressed laughter> “Dude, if a female wants something from you, let her ask for it… THEN try to f~~~ her.”

And then I casually mentioned MGTOW:

Him: “How can they go their own way if they’re following some movement?”
Me: “It’s not a movement, it’s more of a philosophy… that the value of a man’s life is not measured by his utility to a woman, her child and the state but rather by how well he lives for himself and his own ideals.”
Him: “Sounds like a bunch of divorced woman haters.”
Me: “The irony of it is that the more a man lives an authentic life, free of controls and expectations, the more attractive he becomes to women who he can then enjoy without conflict or compromise.”

If I can at least get him to read up on the idea a bit… even if it is initially as a scheme to suck up to women more… maybe he’ll find something of value in it. Well at least I’ve planted the seed. Now it’s up to him.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

The ongoing saga of my friend here… I met him for drinks last night and, unexpectedly, he wants to talk about how guys are so excited to throw themselves under the bus for the chance to get in good with a girl. This is surprising talk for a guy I have been saying is such a huge mangina. So I bring up a few of the points we’ve been discussing here… man caves, failing to buy the right gift, being put “in the dog house” and he seemed to be onboard with all of them.

What’s happening? Can my friend have discovered MGTOW? And if he does and he comes here and reads this, is he going to be p~~~ed that I’ve been using his behavior as an example or will he say “Man, you were so right about all that… and I read your thread about the s~~~ you used to do and say so I know you were’t bashing me, you were just talking about how full of s~~~ blue pill men are.”

Let’s hope so.

[F4CCParticipant 20]

As my friend told me — when your ready.  He was red pill before I ever was, years ago, how I don’t know.  It has to be when someones ready, they have to look at all the f~~~ed up behavior and understand that it didn’t do them any good. An examination or inventory of bad decisions. Change is hard for most people, we have all been programed, some us from a very early age.  But you know what is a catalyst for change – pain. Once the pain of not changing is more then the change, it will happen.  After I was divorced  (1st time) I was free, no kids, no alimony, free. But the programming made me believe that I needed or should be married. The first bad marriage was a training event compared to the misery I spent with my second wife.  I use to run maintenance in a squadron years ago, I wrote on a big white board “I can tell you the stove is hot but you gotta touch it”.  I should have listened to my own advice, when I was married I dreamed of being free and when I was single I dreamed of being married. Completely and utterly blue pill, but once you have had years of misery you’ll change your mind. Keep spreading the gospel, someone needs to and someone needs to listen, somewhere.

[RoyDalParticipant]

I think men have to hit the bottom, crash and burn, before they can throw off what is a lifelong addiction.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

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