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…is it just me, or does the Feminist movement completely destroy the value of marriage? Lately it seems that the only marriages that have actually worked out are the ones that are based on religion. What I mean by this is that the man and woman that follow the traditional religious marriage are the ones that have been together and happy the longest. It seems that when two people get married and aren’t religious in some aspect don’t work out. I’m sure this isn’t the case in all marriages, but this is just my personal observation, and this is my opinion based off of my observation.
Anyways, the idea of a traditional marriage, in my eyes, is when the man works and the woman takes care of the household. We as humans have survived thousands of years with this type of marriage, and sure, even in the past there has been marriages that haven’t followed this formula per se, but it seems as though ever since women have gotten independence, and especially within the past 30 years or so, the ideas of a traditional marriage have been thrown out the window. The more that women get independence and don’t need to rely on men, the more that the purpose of getting married, or in some cases the purpose of being in a relationship, is irrelevant. Men depended on women to keep the household together, and women depended on men to provide income. Lately, as I’m sure many of you have noticed, this isn’t needed anymore. And in a recent event that has happened to my family, once the woman in a marriage decided that she was making money and didn’t need to depend on the man for a income, she decided to take that small amount of independence and ruin said marriage. And it seems as though this situation is happening more often.
Again, I’m not saying that this happens all the time, but it just seems as though as women are getting paid better and are gaining more independence, they get this idea that they don’t need men and can do whatever they want, which is what happened in the marriage I mentioned. With this happening, are we really getting to the point where the only reason to even associate with the opposite sex, as a man, is just for pleasure? Is there really no reason anymore to be in a relationship, since the original purpose of relationships and marriage is becoming no longer relevant? And if this is the case, will we as a species survive much longer with this new-age ideology?
What are your thoughts on this?
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…is it just me, or does the Feminist movement completely destroy the value of marriage?
Some of their leaders have made destroying the family their stated objective. It’s working too.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
It’s like they read/watched Orwell’s 1984, but instead of heeding it’s many warnings on how horrific such future would be, they said to themselves, “This is such a great idea! Everyone should think like I, and everyone should be equally in misery!”.
It’s f~~~ing scary, if this continues, it’s not whether we’ll be forced into marrying that’ll be a problem, but the fact these psychopaths wants to control what we think, and especially enforce their line of thought onto others.
I care very little about the value of marriage.
Marriage is never going to be what I want it to be so I am never going to be married.
I was mulling this over as well.
If marriage is so great, how come precisely zero men in my life have come to me and told me to get married right away and how great it is?
A lot of women have though.
“You don’t want to lose her do you?” – Implied threat of If I don’t propose/marry she will leave.
“You need to show commitment to each other” – From her sister who was up her ass the other day about it.
“When are you getting married?” Pont blank from her Aunt at a family gathering (who ironically isn’t even married herself after turning down her partner several times, he never asked her again).
My Dad: “Marriage is a lot of work, she changed over time, but she’s a good woman your mother” – Yeah real glowing endorsement there Dad.
My Friend: “My wife and kids are good, lot of work…” he works a way higher paying job than her. I point blank ask him should I get married, and other vague answers.
Other friend who is married “It’s a lot of trust to put your life out there with someone like that” – uh ok…
A marriage works when the Man leads and the wife follows. If there’s two leaders, it’s like a car with two wheels.
Those marriages that work in the religious community, you said it yourself, “seem” to work. Scratch the surface and you’ll find your Blue Pill poster boy.
Marriages haven’t worked ever and why should it change? It’s obviously a great idea to those who live like slaves and their masterc~~~s who can feeeeeel like some hyper-goddess on crack.
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Anonymous1Lately it seems that the only marriages that have actually worked out are the ones that are based on religion.
If by “working out” you mean “working out for the woman”. Than yeah, sure.
What I mean by this is that the man and woman that follow the traditional religious marriage are the ones that have been together and happy the longest
Again, if by “together and happy the longest” you mean “together and the woman is happy the longest”, again, sure.
It seems that when two people get married and aren’t religious in some aspect don’t work out
And when two people get married and they ARE religious, than it doesn’t work out on the same aspects either. But since religion plays a huge part on their lives they keep together for “religious purposes”. With the man as a work horse and the woman as the “aristocrat class”.
I’m sure this isn’t the case in all marriages, but this is just my personal observation, and this is my opinion based off of my observation
And those were my opinions based on my observations too.
Anyways, the idea of a traditional marriage, in my eyes, is when the man works and the woman takes care of the household.
Yep, that’s traditional marriage alright. And, in this day and age, is as worthless as the “modern” marriage.
We as humans have survived thousands of years with this type of marriage
We also lived for thousands of years in caves, huts, primitive cabins. We fought for thousands of years against the elements, animals and each other to survive. We don’t do most of these things anymore, since they worked in the past should we go back to our old ways again? Oh yeah, we have electricity, pipelines and all the modern comforts of TECHNOLOGY. So, just because it worked ON THE PAST, under DIFFERENT CRCUMNSTANCES, doesn’t mean it works TODAY.
even in the past there has been marriages that haven’t followed this formula per se, but it seems as though ever since women have gotten independence, and especially within the past 30 years or so, the ideas of a traditional marriage have been thrown out the window
Yeah, it was about time for the idea of marriage being throw out of the window. I mean, sex is not worth my whole life, hopes and dreams. Also, women didn’t become “independent”. Nowadays they are more dependent than ever. It is just that instead of dependent on one man, which is already bad on itself, she is dependent on the state, which is ALL men paying the bills, which is worse. So, I don’t know where you got this idea that “women got independence”. Only if it is independence to screw up and reveal their true f~~~ing nature. Which it is not bad. I rather know the truth, no matter how hurtful it is than live a lie.
The more that women get independence and don’t need to rely on men, the more that the purpose of getting married, or in some cases the purpose of being in a relationship, is irrelevant.
Not really. Again, what independence does women got? They got PRIVILEDGES, and that only make them more DEPENDENT on the state. Besides, the “purpose of being in a relationship” always were for the man provide and support the woman. So a “relationship becoming irrelevant” is not bad for men, if that is the case.
Men depended on women to keep the household together, and women depended on men to provide income.
Bulls~~~. A man can keep a household together by himself. We are not emotionally stupid as women would like us to believe. And a woman CAN and SHOULD be able to provide for herself. Specially with the modern technologies we have today. The thing is, women DON’T WANT to. Which is too bad for them, and not my, or any man’s concern.
Lately, as I’m sure many of you have noticed, this isn’t needed anymore
Regarding the dependence that man have for the woman? Absolutely, men are adapting. Women are better to keep up.
And in a recent event that has happened to my family, once the woman in a marriage decided that she was making money and didn’t need to depend on the man for a income, she decided to take that small amount of independence and ruin said marriage
I don’t think women wanting to be independent “ruins the marriage”. Hell, a wife getting her own money would alleviate the burden of the men providing for the house. Lack of respect, entitlement, emotional dependence, lack of loyalty, those things ruin marriages.
And it seems as though this situation is happening more often.
Yes, women’s entitlement and false sense of “independence” ruins everything, as does the men supporting this idea that either a woman is independent while depending on the state, or that a woman should have NO INDEPENDENCE relying on a man and leaching out of his resources.
Again, I’m not saying that this happens all the time, but it just seems as though as women are getting paid better and are gaining more independence, they get this idea that they don’t need men and can do whatever they want, which is what happened in the marriage I mentioned.
Women getting paid more is not the problem, as long as they earn such income. Women being paid MORE for working LESS, or NOT AT ALL is a problem. And, again, that is NOT INDEPENDENCE. And they are allowed to do whatever they f~~~ing want, again, as long as they are willing to SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES, which they don’t because of men that thinks they are goddesses beyondd the approval of men, or children beyond the responsibilities of an adult.
With this happening, are we really getting to the point where the only reason to even associate with the opposite sex, as a man, is just for pleasure?
That ALWAYS were the only reason to associate with a woman. We are getting to a point where we need MORE THAN THAT to have anything to do with a t~~~!
Is there really no reason anymore to be in a relationship, since the original purpose of relationships and marriage is becoming no longer relevant?
Yep
What are your thoughts on this?
I just describe them
Enjoy.
One could argue that feminism didn’t so much destroy the value of marriage than reveal that it had no intrinsic value to begin with.
What I mean by this is that the man and woman that follow the traditional religious marriage are the ones that have been together and happy the longest
Again, if by “together and happy the longest” you mean “together and the woman is happy the longest”, again, sure.
I f~~~ing wish I could find this study I found that stated long term marriages are utterly dependant on the woman’s happiness, and that her happiness is more important to consider if the marriage is going to last. I found it f~~~ing cringe worthy at the time, but look at very old men who’ve been married for a long time. They’re completely f~~~ing spineless and put their wives first in everything in the name of love, like a good husband is supposed to do.Can someone please tell me why so many fellow men (then MGTOW/red pill men first and foremost) seem so negative on that fact? The way I see it it’s a God-send; we can see today, for the first time in modern history, maybe ever, men breaking free from the shackles we always lived with. Now that feminism has revealed female nature (not altered; just de-camouflaged it) we stand free to actually -choose- if this is something we wish to be a part of, instead of slipping into marriage/family by default and not having the social stigma an unmarried adult male would face 40-50 years ago.
Is it me that’s missing some vital part of the scheme, or what?
Can someone please tell me why so many fellow men (then MGTOW/red pill men first and foremost) seem so negative on that fact? The way I see it it’s a God-send; we can see today, for the first time in modern history, maybe ever, men breaking free from the shackles we always lived with. Now that feminism has revealed female nature (not altered; just de-camouflaged it) we stand free to actually -choose- if this is something we wish to be a part of, instead of slipping into marriage/family by default and not having the social stigma an unmarried adult male would face 40-50 years ago. Is it me that’s missing some vital part of the scheme, or what?
For me, at least, it’s just the fact that I grew up with the ideals of a perfect marriage. Growing up on Disney cartoons (and with a majority women household) I’ve always been told to find the perfect girl and get married in order to have a perfect marriage. The “Happily ever after” ending. So again, for me, it’s more of me coming in terms with reality that to this day I don’t really want to accept. I want to imagine that there is a perfect girl that won’t do me wrong and values marriage the same way that I do. So I still dream that dream, even though it’s not a reality.
I don’t know if that answered your question or not. The more I see reality though, the more that I agree with what you and many others have said. We are finally seeing women as for what they have always been.
Anonymous1Can someone please tell me why so many fellow men (then MGTOW/red pill men first and foremost) seem so negative on that fact? The way I see it it’s a God-send; we can see today, for the first time in modern history, maybe ever, men breaking free from the shackles we always lived with. Now that feminism has revealed female nature (not altered; just de-camouflaged it) we stand free to actually -choose- if this is something we wish to be a part of, instead of slipping into marriage/family by default and not having the social stigma an unmarried adult male would face 40-50 years ago. Is it me that’s missing some vital part of the scheme, or what?
It is not Mgtow/Red pillers that are sad with the destruction of marriage. This is more common among tradcons, that believe a women’s place and role is to be in kitchen/home, while the man’s role it to be out working, breaking his back. Not a very equivalent exchange if you ask me. This is, on my opinion, a kind of weakness, since they see no other meaning in life than to be a workhorse. Make no mistake, I think FAMILY can be a good think, and would be my goal to get one, but only if the BENEFITS surpassed the COSTS/RISKS (not only monetary, but psychological as well), but they don’t. So, in a way, I am thankful for feminism. How else would an average man, like me, be aware of the true nature of women without it?
The biggest problem is where to get satisfaction. I think that is the root and core of it.
I do agree with the points that you have said, but the main portion of my OP is meant to have the sentences support each others statement. So while you dissected my post in individual sentences, which is fine, it sorta takes away some of the key points. For instance, here:
Men depended on women to keep the household together, and women depended on men to provide income.
Bulls~~~. A man can keep a household together by himself. We are not emotionally stupid as women would like us to believe. And a woman CAN and SHOULD be able to provide for herself. Specially with the modern technologies we have today. The thing is, women DON’T WANT to. Which is too bad for them, and not my, or any man’s concern.
The sentence that I stated was supported by my idea of what a traditional marriage is. Which is that a man depended on the woman to keep the household together, while the woman depended on the man to provide the income. This has been the case for many centuries up until the present day, in which it is no longer relevant. This is also the case in many religious marriages that I have seen, which the woman still upkeeps the house while the man provides for the family, which is why I said it seems as though religious marriages tend to last longer and seem the happiest.
Anonymous1which is why I said it seems as though religious marriages tend to last longer and seem the happiest
Careful with appearances though, they can be deceiving. I know by observation…
since the original purpose of relationships and marriage is becoming no longer relevant?
Exactly. It was like you described. Marriage today is a contract with the state. It is not more than that, when you are a non religious person. You could argue that it is a marriage in a deeply religious surrounding, that everybody has a little warm feeling in them, because “they now become more like god, with the marriage” or “god is now watching over them and has forged a collar that should not been broken”. But nevertheless these fluffy feelings (I once was that guy, who believed in the bible) they are confronted with secular problems.
It is an old model and as it happened in the 20. century for the first time in human history that women became financially independent, this old model which has worked for the last god knows how many thousand years, doesn’t work anymore.
I think we are really experiencing this change now. And it is gruesome.
If marriage is so great, how come precisely zero men in my life have come to me and told me to get married right away and how great it is?
Exactly. No one ever said to me that they are now, so much happier since they are married, whoohoo.
Sorry for speeling or gramatical mishaps. It is not my first language and it has been ages since I learned it in school.
For me, at least, it’s just the fact that I grew up with the ideals of a perfect marriage. Growing up on Disney cartoons (and with a majority women household) I’ve always been told to find the perfect girl and get married in order to have a perfect marriage. The “Happily ever after” ending. So again, for me, it’s more of me coming in terms with reality that to this day I don’t really want to accept. I want to imagine that there is a perfect girl that won’t do me wrong and values marriage the same way that I do. So I still dream that dream, even though it’s not a reality. I don’t know if that answered your question or not. The more I see reality though, the more that I agree with what you and many others have said. We are finally seeing women as for what they have always been.
I think most of us do that from time to time; daydreaming. Like you say, we are all conditioned to follow the route to slavery, and they work hard on this most of our lives, simply because a steady intimate relationship of some sort (not necessarily a traditional marriage) with offspring is what everyone gains from; women in the form of better finances and emotional support, employers as a family man is likely to have to work more to afford his way of life, banks as a family often comes with house/cars and a sh!tload of debt, and of course govt that is interested in new young tax payers. As there is no such thing as a free lunch, someone has to pay, guess who that is? And without this complete and utter brainwashing, who would want to be the sucker that ends up with the bill?
My best advice on the matter is: when you start to feel, then is the time to think and reason. After a while these longings will arise more seldom and last shorter.
It is not Mgtow/Red pillers that are sad with the destruction of marriage. This is more common among tradcons, that believe a women’s place and role is to be in kitchen/home, while the man’s role it to be out working, breaking his back. Not a very equivalent exchange if you ask me. This is, on my opinion, a kind of weakness, since they see no other mean in life than to be a workhorse. Make no mistake, I think FAMILY can be a good think, and would be my goal to get one, but only if the BENEFITS surpassed the COSTS/RISKS (not only monetary, but psychological as well), but they don’t. So, in a way, I am thankful for feminism. How else would an average man, like me, be aware of the true nature of women without it?
Exactly my thoughts also!
I agree with Scandinavian. If anything, it’s a blessing. We can finally see true female nature, not just that, but how they interact. We are no longer prey to their manipulation (at least red-pillers) thus, they cannot control us. They will look for a different angle to this “marriage-less”, maybe even forced marriage, or government intervention to marry. Regardless, MANY men (not just those who took the red pill) already see the destructive nature and the vile contract that is marriage.
The thing about money and women being “independent” is:
Money is a currency which displays resources.Resources are created and extracted by men.
If those men where to stop doing all this you could earn a billion and all you could do with it is wipe your ass.
The “traditional” (which is normally meant to be “nuclear family”) is a 20th century mythic construct that was glorified, and still is by conservatives, and some end all and be all for fixing social ills. It has shown itself incapable of withstanding the changes globalization brought, and those who think it is the normal family structure of human history don’t know human history, and have a modern bias. It used to be the EXTENDED family, in the form of a clan, tied to a land, that was normal for a family structure, and that usually worked.
Anyhow, I did a video on this:
In short, I am tired of the glorification of a 20th century construct that has failed to show itself sufficient to sustain society.
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