Maybe I am misunderstanding something

[MGTOW_MedicParticipant 184]

I know many of you here may like him, and others may not. However, maybe I am misunderstanding Stefan Molyneux. He makes videos that agrees with and supports White knighting, considering it to be a biological imperative. He recently did a video where a woman talked about trading sex for resources.
Essentially, if we don’t white knight and reinforce bad behavior in women, then we will all die off. By bad behavior I mean something to the tune of “My husband lost his million dollar deal at work and that makes me love him less.” I guess my only response to that is. What the f~~~…

Is this resource vampirism really a product of evolution or the product of knowing nothing but a Consumerist Society? This society has been teaching youth, into adulthood, that everything is potentially “break it, throw it away, buy a new one tomorrow.”

Before, I continue with that, I believe that delusion and aberrant behavior is contagious. Herbert Spencer had a quote that when you protect people from the effects of their own stupidity you raise a nation of fools. I am conflicted because, I sense Mr. Molyneux is using philosophy to justify why women act like entitled, compulsive, and even impulsive users. Instead of launching from my platform into complex evolutionary “natures” I think starting from a practical position may be a little more effective. I think a large portion of why we are where we are between men and women is “state protected” terrible behavior. That you only love a man for his regal apartment and robust checking account. If an accident happens, as they have been known to do, you stop loving him and turn your attention to the other men.

I am conflicted because, my parents have been married for 30+ years and my father has not been dripping in “resources.” My mother has never fallen “out of love” with my dad, because he was laid off from a job. Mind you this man bent over backwards to try and find a new job as soon as he could. The economy was never very gracious with my parents and they scratched their living out as best as they could.

MGtOW_Medic - EMT - P, Firefighter Lvl 2, Hazmat Ops

[Writing Desk RavenParticipant 460]

Hmm… not the first time Stefan’s supported white knighting or something like it. Granted, I’m not into biological determinism, namely because humans excel at giving the middle finger to biological determinants.

I’m sick of this Chicken Little, “we’re going to go extinct!” argument being used as if it’s a valid point. I’ll go under the radar on MGTOW, but as often as this is a talking point whenever anyone brings up men refusing to put up with women acting like c~~~s, my policy is respond like I’m breaking up with a Japanese girl: go nuclear, twice.

To wit, all this “evolutionary dead end” s~~~ needs to stop, especially in the antifeminist, MRA, and MGTOW communities or any overlap they have thereof. See, as smart as Stefan is, some of us actually read historic material, and far as I’ve seen, nearly every major leap that mankind has ever made in philosophy, art, technology, enlightenment, medicine, physics, and on and on and on were made by people (usually men) who were, nearly always, evolutionary dead ends.

I forgot that if someone had walked up to Alan Turing and said “get a wife”, the world would somehow be better than if he’d helped bring an end to World War II and introduced concepts of the machine mind as we know it, because he had a f~~~ing Mini-Me. Art and its intricacies would have been so much better off if Vincent Van Gogh had just settled down and had a son he forced his lost passion on, instead.

Clearly, in the name of men like that having sons instead, we should be putting up with women copping attitudes because stepping over the corpses of men for personal gain results in some blood getting spatter on their pumps.

Because “muh evolutionary continuation!”

Mother f~~~er, this gets me riled up. I’ve caught Stefan and other personalities I like doing this s~~~ before and while no, I’m sure as hell not Turing or Van Gogh, if they were able to do what they did without a child, then I’m going to bet I can land somewhere between them and the uselessness of the modern father and actually complete something that gives my life personal meaning.

So, when that sap’s great-grandchildren are being taught philosophy by androids that can pass the Turing test thanks to some small part of coding I committed to the projects, my obituary will read “F~~~ your evolutionary dead ends”.

/rantmotherf~~~enover

"Almost the main work of life is to come out of our selves, out of the little dark prison we are all born in... The danger is that of coming to love the prison." ~ C.S. Lewis

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

As an individual you can deal with it by doing nothing.

Peace brothers

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Raven, you make some interesting points but I’d like to point out that leaps in technological development do not equal the survival of humanity.

These solitary inventor geniuses that you mention and all the others like them (I’ll add Benjamin Franklin and Nikola Tesla to the list just to confirm that I agree with you on this) would almost certainly not have produced their contributions to society had they been husbands and fathers. But the idea that solitary men are the advancers of society can only exist in the context of many many more not solitary men protecting the women and producing the children of that society.

In other words, if we attempt to universalize your view, we’d end up with an entire culture of artist inventor bachelors who never have children and it wouldn’t matter a hill of beans what they produced because there’d soon be nobody to utilize it. If, however, we acknowledge that the vast majority of men are NOT going to be artist inventor bachelors but rather husbands and fathers, we have a society going forward into the future to benefit from the gifts those rare artist inventor bachelors produce.

What Molenyux is saying, I believe, is that we can’t ALL go MGTOW because that’s the end of the world. Someone’s got to protect and provide for the women (they aren’t going to do it themselves) and father the children so that there are still men around to have the choice to go their own way.

I’ll say this… I believe that humanity should continue to exist going forward which means some men are goin to have to be husbands and fathers. For an individual it may be fine (there will always be bachelors and spinsters) but to suggest that all men should drop out and abandon male/female relationships altogether and who cares if the women die off and there are no more children… well that is short-sighted and stupid.

And then what? For the men who are so bitter from the red pill that they want to watch the world die, I’m sure they won’t care. For those of us who have chosen to be bachelors from the outset (myself included) we can enjoy the benefits of freedom from the conflicts that come with relationships… but I wouldn’t encourage all men to go their own way because that’s essentially suicide for humanity. Not that it ever would happen… most men are too soft headed and hard dicked anyway to truly give up on the lure of pussy.

Most likely it won’t matter much what we decide to do as individuals, we’ve most likely already cast the die and unknowingly made the choices that will lead to our own annhilation a long time ago. Factory farming, reliance on petroleum, urbanization, dosing ourselves with hormones, addicting ourselves to entertainment… we’re almost certainly doomed already and it won’t matter a hill of beans if all the men in the world go their own way… soon enough there won’t be anywhere to go.

Have fun polishing that brass, fellas. Oh, and isn’t the orchestra nice? Don’t bother putting on your life vests.

[Biggvs_DickvsParticipant 3725]

MGTOW_Medic wrote:

Is this resource vampirism really a product of evolution or the product of knowing nothing but a Consumerist Society?

Pure evolution. Go back a few generations or so and most me didn’t live long enough to worry about what she was up to long term. Now, no so much.

Stargazer wrote:

(I’ll add Benjamin Franklin and Nikola Tesla to the list just to confirm that I agree with you on this) would almost certainly not have produced their contributions to society had they been husbands and fathers.

He had three children and a common law wife. He also had lots of affairs and even wrote an essay about how to choose a mistress.

Go Ben-nay! Go Ben-nay! Unh unh unh!

"Data, I would be delighted to offer any advice I can on understanding women. When I have some, I'll let you know." --Captain Picard,

[MonkeyMindParticipant 5340]

I think you might be confusing White Knighting with traditionalism.

Stefan is very pro traditionalism, which is fair enough. Even i’d agree that if you have kids, the best place to raise them is in a family unit with both parents present. This is how families should be raised. It’s how i would have wanted to have/raise kids if our governments weren’t so cucked by feminism as to change the legal system to be so grossly biased against men.

White Knighting is when men will jump in to protect women without thinking or being aware that they’re being manipulated into throwing themselves under the bus over whatever p~~~ed off some snowflake on [insert day of the week].

One of the reasons why i like Stefan a lot is because he has a way of getting those Red Pill truths out there without causing knee Jerk hyperbolic reactions that we get from feminists and SJWs. He has a silver tongue in that respect.

[Anonymous 43]

write to him and ask him directly…he reads and answers serious comments

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

It may be a biological imperative, that doesn’t mean it’s right. Besides, we’re talking about caveman instincts left over from years ago. We live in a modern world where women have more rights than men and get treated better. There are 7 billion people on the planet, humanity is not at risk of going extinct. Who gives a f~~~ if some woman needs help? See how many white knights get hurt or die defending women. F~~~ all that.

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[MeisterParticipant 2093]

DorkShit wrote:

As an individual you can deal with it by doing nothing.

Amen

Monk

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

Nah as long as blue pillers are still there, why care about humanity going extinct?

We have an overpopulation problem and still want men to care about being extinct?

And the responsibility of humanity going extinct is on men? What about the women?

If you want to talk about responsibility on humanity extinction, one man can keep 10 or 100 women pregnant. so 90% to 99% of the responsibility of humanity extinction lies on women. Make 10 or 100 women women up first before you tell a man to man up.

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

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