Marrying up?

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

This is strictly hypothetical. The reason I am starting this thread is because I haven’t seen or read any MGTOW material on this subject.
I am interested to hear your opinions on this phenomenon as well as stories from personal or experience of others you know.
This might start an interesting conversation.

By marrying up the food chain you can theoretically avoid a lot of usual relationship pains like supporting a spendthrift bitch, fear of her taking your s~~~ in a divorce, alimony, huge child support payments and etc. While dating – she’d be less likely to expect you to pay for everything or use you to get dinners and gifts and s~~~. She won’t see you as a walking wallet or an ATM.
Could this possibly work?

I know that women aren’t very attracted to men standing below them on a social ladder, but maybe bitches who were born into money don’t over-obsess about material things like other bitches do, and more likely to be looking for a good character and not a meal ticket, knowamasayn?

I overheard some people at my church joking about some lucky bastards that married up – so I am not making this up. That’s why I’m curious what do you guys think?

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[ExsliventxsParticipant 1067]

Sure it can happen. It’s rare, about as rare as finding that dud of a grenade. If you find a rich bitch and she wants to marry you without a pre-nup, the worse thing you’d have to worry about is rarely seeing any of your children if she leaves your ass. No way the court will side with you.

Or… her hiring a hit man worth thousands of dollars to make you disappear instead of dealing with you taking 50% of her s~~~…. .. . .

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

I did this for a year with a woman that made a nice six figure salary, that did not want kids. Beware – these women tend to be the most controlling, with lots of s~~~ tests and abuse.

[Anonymous 3]

I’ve had the opportunity to do so, but unless we’re talking 7 figure incomes/net worths then I do not think it is worth it.

Better to live on less and retain your masculinity and freedom. A woman will always resent a man that does not support her. I make enough to be comfortable, so why be desperate for money?

[IronVParticipant 77]

With their stones – on their heads?

I’m not sure it’s really that simple, although there are a lot of rich women that don’t need a man to support them (and is often actually the opposite), but I’m sure there are other s~~~s you’ll come across with such a woman.

[WolfParticipant 890]

Russky wrote:

By marrying up the food chain you can theoretically avoid a lot of usual relationship pains like supporting a spendthrift bitch, fear of her taking your s~~~ in a divorce, alimony, huge child support payments and etc. While dating – she’d be less likely to expect you to pay for everything or use you to get dinners and gifts and s~~~. She won’t see you as a walking wallet or an ATM. Could this possibly work?

You can avoid alimony, but not child support. In Canada, child support is based on your ability to pay – not need. Regardless of what she makes, you will pay child support based on your income. I would assume the same holds true for other western world countries.

In regard to taking half your s~~~ and alimony, be careful. I have seen women who have great careers and make good money, but that dwindles once she has her claws in a guy who makes good money. It’s a gradual thing, so you don’t really notice it until it’s too late.

[QcummerParticipant 652]

It doesn’t matter how much money a unicorn has. If you find one keep it.

[Knights Templar RisingParticipant 5126]

I only know one guy who successfully moved up, but that’s because she was 11 years older than him – and way past the wall.  He was something like 37 and she was 48 approx. She already had those old lady arms like batwings, and sun damaged skin that looked like leather. But he had some mommy complex, he always dated women a few years older but this time everyone was shocked when they heard eleven.  She was in middle management at some company, and had to travel one week per month. I think she was happy just to have a house sitter, and a c~~~ to come home to, he became like her handyman/errand boy.

And yes, like Wolf said, the only other guy I know who married up a little bit, ended up with the wife completely backsliding into working only 2 days a week after having two kids.  Then he had to work himself to death to pay for that lifestyle, and his reward was her cheating on him.

I have never heard of any woman willing to roll back their lifestyle.  Not worth rolling the dice on that one.

Sovereignty above all else.

[WolfParticipant 890]

Knights Templar Rising wrote:

And yes, like Wolf said, the only other guy I know who married up a little bit, ended up with the wife completely backsliding into working only 2 days a week after having two kids.  Then he had to work himself to death to pay for that lifestyle, and his reward was her cheating on him.

Having kids is the kicker. She will take maternity leave when the kid(s) is born. Then, you’ll decide “together” that child care is too expensive, so she’ll stay home until the kid(s) are in school. But then there will be some other excuse for her to not work full time. And, of course, this is a “family decision” that you both made. The fact that you wanted her to work but couldn’t force her (save clubbing her on the head and dragging her to a workplace) will not be the story in divorce court. She sacrificed for the family and you pay.

I’ve seen it happen a dozen times, if not 100 times.

[OldscoundrellParticipant 412]

I married the bosses daughter (qaulifies?), will have to get back with you after the divorce is final.    *crossing fingers*

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

If marrying up in this context involves just money, then I see a man would have to bring a TON to the table, be some sort of genius, or emotional genius, or an artist, or show something so much out of the mainstream, with a chance to become huge, that she would be all over it.  Being able to control her moods and make her feel good all the time would be another.  She would still be marrying up, it is just what she brings to the table is the money, and the guy brings other things.

I believe you can see a woman going for an artist type who hit it big at one time, but now is out of favor.  You also have the philosopher who may not be rich, but is seen as brilliant.  You can also see the rich woman going for the guy who works out a lot and has a lot of muscles, and can be dominant.  This show of strength, plus a badboy, a woman can go for.  A man’s non-conformity against the world can get appeal.

All this is marrying up by the woman, just in a different area.  Eventually though, if the guy doesn’t have it together financially, then she will likely dump him.  If her “rescuing him”, by being the single piece that enable him to find greatness, and preferably him still needing her to maintain things, then it works.  There is also the case of the love map where a guy is very much her father, and he flatters here, bringing back the memories of when she was a little girl.  Maybe her father had flaws, and working with the man she finds, maybe she can save her father.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[BDParticipant 1146]

Anonymous wrote:

A woman will always resent a man that does not support her

I’m not religious, but Amen brother!

I would be careful, any woman that actually helps, supports or gives anything to  a man has got to have some kind of flaw, like an angry ex who’s a hitman or in a gang, or maybe she’s a criminal or just cleaned out her husband, or maybe she has a transmittable disease….

I stopped accepting anything from women, it’s like the only reason they do anything for you is to hold it over your head, and they never ever shut up about it, it is never worth it, just pay someone else or do it yourself..

if it’s too good to be true, well, lol with women.. unless you believe in flying unicorn turds…  hmm hmm

Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive.

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

I have only know 2 men that have married up.

The first divorced within the first year.  He told me that money only goes so far and left it at that.

The second guy was married for 18 months and had a son.  Through the divorce her parents financially supported her.  She was manipulative to the point that she successfully turned his mother and sister against him.  The son was almost Five before he got primary custody.  This was because she brought some abusive s~~~ bag home that physically abused (stood on his chest) his son.

Marrying up earns you the same grief as any other kind of marriage to a woman.  They just have more resources to keep your children form you.

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[Won'tGetFooledAgainParticipant 3299]

Wolf wrote:

kicker. She will take maternity leave when the kid(s) is born. Then, you’ll decide “together” that child care is too expensive, so she’ll stay home until the kid(s) are in school. But then there will be some other excuse for her to not work full time. And, of course, this is a “family decision” that you both made. The fact that you wanted her to work but couldn’t force her (save clubbing her on the head and dragging her to a workplace) will not be the story in divorce court. She sacrificed for the family and you pay. I’ve seen it happen a dozen times, if not 100 times.

S~~~, you could have written that about me! My wife earned nearly double my salary before our first child came along.  She went on Maternity leave and then 7 months after our first child was born she was pregnant again.  We decided “together” that it would make more sense for her to stay at home and raise our two children due to the cost of childcare.  Fast forward a few years and both children are at school but we decided “together” that she should stay at home so she could take them to school and pick them up everyday.  I assumed that due to her having 6 hours a day to herself the house would be clean, there would be food in the cupboards and I would come home to dinner on the table every day.  The reality was the house was always a tip and I spent my weekends cleaning as I just couldn’t stand it.

After her not working for 6 years I start to get the “I am not happy” and “I love you, I am not in love with you” speech.   She decides to get a job and I think this is a turning point as we will go back to having a decent income and she will be happy as she will have a purpose again.  Imagine how pleased I was when it turns out that she is earning a 5th of the amount she used to earn, and by the time we pay childcare it will barely be worth while.  Once I point this out to her she goes bats~~~ crazy and starts going on about how I never support her or her decisions.

Turns out that the “I am not happy” speech previously was her saying I want to get back on the C~~~ Carousel and she had been seeing someone for a few months.  I would say the job was her getting ready for us splitting up as with her pay, benefits and money I have to give her she is now taking home more than me and gets to live in a house that I could never dream of affording,  Not bad for a woman who only works part time!

Why do you think so many marriages end once the kids go to school full time?  Basically, although no woman would admit it the majority of them hate working and think that if they have children they get to stay at home all day and go to coffee morning with their friends while they send the slave off to the plantation.

They loved their c~~~ carousel 20s, but they ran up a lot of debt and now they are hitting the wall they need to find a Beta to pay for the house and children they want.  Once they have the house, two children and no longer have to work they can start to withhold sex as they now have a million excuses such as “I am too tired” or “I am too stressed” etc.  The amount of married men who tell me their wives are just not interested in sex anymore is incredible.  The reality is, they are very much still interested in sex with young Alpha Males, it’s just they are no longer interested in sex with you now they have everything they want.

Fast forward a couple of years and the Children are at school full time and she starts to get her life and free time back.  She will probably join a gym, lose weight and start dressing a lot better.  This is not for her husband, this is for the Alpha guys on the c~~~ carousel she is planning on jumping back onto.  She will start going out with friends and be on Facebook every free minute she has.  By this point your replacement has been found and you just need to wait for the “I am not happy speech” before being forced to move in with your parents or a crappy studio apartment.

By this point another MGTOW memeber is born……

For women, everything eventually boils down to Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.

[BDParticipant 1146]

Won'tGetFooledAgain wrote:

By this point another MGTOW memeber is born……

Great advice, Thanks for sharing your story.

Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive.

[KingOfTheSeaParticipant 1270]

Won'tGetFooledAgain wrote:

The amount of married men who tell me their wives are just not interested in sex anymore is incredible. The reality is, they are very much still interested in sex with young Alpha Males, it’s just they are no longer interested in sex with you now they have everything they want.

Fast forward a couple of years and the Children are at school full time and she starts to get her life and free time back. She will probably join a gym, lose weight and start dressing a lot better. This is not for her husband, this is for the Alpha guys on the c~~~ carousel she is planning on jumping back onto. She will start going out with friends and be on Facebook every free minute she has. By this point your replacement has been found and you just need to wait for the “I am not happy speech” before being forced to move in with your parents or a crappy studio apartment.

And this is the Great Con: Men being fooled into thinking their wives just don’t want sex, have suddenly decided to start going to the gym and doing new things to be more appealing to them, etc. They mistake a lack of drama from their wives as complacency when it’s really contempt. It’s a brilliant albeit devious system: Marry some sucker, pump out a few kids, wait until they’re back in school, get sexual satisfaction elsewhere, divorce and get paid for it, take on a s~~~ty token job so you can appear to be “responsible” while Mr. Right comes along and then move into his big house and enjoy his money.

As for the idea of men marrying up: To what end? Yes, you’ll be well-off for a cushy few years financially speaking, but the divorce courts will ultimately take the woman’s side unless you can definitively prove she has an extremely sketchy lifestyle.

[Won'tGetFooledAgainParticipant 3299]

KingOfTheSea wrote:

As for the idea of men marrying up: To what end? Yes, you’ll be well-off for a cushy few years financially speaking, but the divorce courts will ultimately take the woman’s side unless you can definitively prove she has an extremely sketchy lifestyle.

Plus, don’t forget divorce is not a fair process and it only works one way.  I know a couple who got married where she had a 6 figure salary and he struggled to keep a job and made £30K a year.  They had a big house, nice car and he was basically a kept man.  All was fine for a while until he started to resent her working all the time and she started to resent the fact that he never had any money and was always in debt.

Anyway, when they got divorced he thought he would be entitled to half her pension and she would have to keep him in the style to which he had become accustomed.  Surely that is only fair,  if he was the one earning the six figure salary she would get it.

The judge instantly dismissed him getting any money other than a percentage of the marital home.  The other way around and he would have been paying alimony for the rest of his life.

For women, everything eventually boils down to Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

I am very well educated. I was told all my life to marry a well educated woman and have well educated children.

Both of my ex’s had bachelors degrees and were ambitiously working in their fields when I met them. They made more than me because I was in post college education.

Once my school was over and salary increased both of them promptly stopped working. It was not gradual. One day they each said…I’m not working anymore.

Then both of them started spending for fun. Lunches with the girls, shopping anything to keep busy spending my money. My second wife tried to convince me to go bankrupt so she could max out our cards. I’m pretty stupid but not that stupid. I saw the writing on the wall.

I did with both and didn’t get screwed financially in divorce because I could prove both were underemployed. I paid a few years of paultry alimony to both, like 500 a month for 3 years.

It was the children. If you marry up, good luck fighting for custody with a rich bitch. My second wife married Mr. Moneybags and the last custody fight cost me $300,000.00.

Do you have that kind of money? I didn’t. I lost my house. After all that my son decided he liked the money too so all that money I spent went to waste.

Don’t marry a rich bitch. It’s a mirage.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[FrankyParticipant 2338]

I’ll tell you what’s to be with a woman that has more money than you, take you modern t~~~ with all her worse traits and give her steroids, she wont even try to conceal the fact that you’re a work horse and will use this to manipulate and emotionally tire you even more.It’s like going to your local asylum ,taking a megaloman and making him the president.

[RoyDalParticipant]

If I found and got a leprechaun’s pot of gold at the end of a rainbow, I would cheerfully trade it back in return for my freedom. Better life as a ‘poor but honest wood cuttter’ than a life wearing a gold collar.

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