Marital status and jobs

[AscendedParticipant 698]

Greetings gentlemen,

First things first: I am currently 21 years old, a MGHOW (instead of single :P) and do not plan to get married.
As time goes on, nobody of us gets any more younger.
But every human scum expects me to get married in the future. They keep referring to me as “Father of your own family” and “Your kids”.
Sure, maybe not now because things take time.
When applying for a job (I’m currently employed) the question about marital status is often anything but evitable.
This makes me think, that marital status is a factor of whether I’m getting employed or not.
Because married men with families have greater expenses than single men. Single men may come off as unusual, weird or with despise.
I’m not buying into this.

For now… 21 years old I can say “I don’t see the reason to rush, I have to establish myself first”
I could use this phrase for the next 5 years.
As we get older, this question may occur yet again. I have these phrases on store:
“I haven’t found her yet”
“I have a medical condition (it’s true, actually), which I have to take care of first before settling and it takes quite it’s time”
“None of the women I know have proven their worth to me yet”
“I’ve been cheated on (lie) and must deal with it before I can trust again”
These might work for 20 to 30 years but then it will appear as an extreme case.

But deep down I dislike the idea of getting married a lot.

All in all: Marital status may (hopefully not) be a factor of your employment and I may need to think of phrases to avoid this cancerous narrow minded society of f~~~ing bigots when it comes to getting a new job. This is the matrix after all.

"We are free to follow our own path. There are those who will take that freedom from us, and too many of you gladly give it. But it is our ability to choose – whatever you think is true – that makes us human. There is no book or teacher to give you the answers, to show you the path. Choose your own way! Do not follow me, or anyone else."

[uchibenkeiParticipant 7965]

The stigma is that single guys spend a lot of energy chasing pussy with no home support. It’s bulls~~~ but the stereotype exists nonetheless.

I bathe in the tears of single moms.

[RoyDalParticipant]

In my case, marital status did not matter. The subject never came up in my job interviews. I just filled in the blank on the form as “single,” and the interviewer never mentioned it.

The background info, is I was working in one of the STEM fields, where ability and performance meant everything, but social standing meant almost nothing. I didn’t have to deal with the public: The company had specialists for that. Did marital status matter for them? I have no idea. Never asked, never got told.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

I’ve only had a few jobs so take that with a grain of salt. I hear that some companies, like those corporate drone office jobs want you to be married. Not for stability or anything, but because the whole world knows your wife spends your money and you will work extra hard and extra over time to flit the bill. Truth be told, I think it’s more acceptable for men to be single now more than ever. I’m sure it would have been a bigger deal in the 1950s or so. But honestly, I would never work for someone who wanted me to be married. My relationship with an employer is simple. I work for you, my personal life is none of your business.

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Women just don’t want to get married anymore…lol.

I read it on the Huffington post, so it must be true…

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Women just don’t want to get married anymore…lol.

I read it on the Huffington post, so it must be true…

PS. In the US it is illegal to directly ask about marital status .

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[Mr. SpockParticipant 10909]

Ernie Banks was quoted in 1976; “I like my players to be married and in debt. That’s the way you motivate them”
Think about that for a minute.
If you are married, an employer knows you have debt and responsibilities not only to yourself but to your children and your wife. Others are depending on you. If you fail or slack, you fear that your family will suffer. Employers know this. A single man doesn’t have as much riding on his employment.
Now I am certainly not saying that married men are better workers or that single men are not responsible or dependable at their jobs. I am merely trying to point out how a manager or supervisor would compare the pros and cons of hiring a married man versus a single man.

Feminism isn't about equality with men, it's about leverage over men.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Marital status is an unspoken factor. I wear a ring on the fourth finger of my left hand to interviews, and some meetings, depending on the situation or environment. About 4 years ago, a “George” just had his second kid and was verbal about how much of a stress marriage and kids is. When he asked what I was doing over a long weekend, I told him I was taking a 4-day road trip. As I was getting up to leave, he said “when I grow up…….. I want to be you”..

I was the only one who thought it was funny.

The guys I have worked with (over roughly the last 6 years) liked me….. but underneath they hated me. I could tell. Especially one married guy who – get this – married a single mom with two kids and he had a 3RD with her(!)….. while still paying child support to an ex — equal to a BMW M5 car payment. Unreal. On pay day, he would get up and drive to the bank machine on his lunch like he couldn’t wait.

He was a peer and then became a “superior” but realized he couldn’t control me. He kept dropping comments like “must be nice” …….”well you’re not married”……. or “you don’t have kids” when it wasn’t even on the topic. He meant to mock his situation as he was leaving early to pick up little Susie from dance class…. but really, he was resenting me.

The owner guessed me to be 10 years younger and was shocked when I told I’m my age. He said “Omg you have no grey hairs!”……. and then this guy would frequently drop comments like “marriage ages you 10 years and and kids age you 5 years a piece”.

All of this points to a very obvious unspoken dynamic…. so that’s why I wear the ring and the topic never comes up. They just “assume” and I don’t bother correcting them.

When anyone asks “do you have any kids?” I make a joke and say “you know… I’m not really sure.”.
It takes a few seconds….. but then they just start laughing.

Let them wonder.

Alec Baldwin once said “Being married sucks, but it lets people know you’re not a homo…. and at least one person can tolerate the son-of-a-bitch”. There’s a lot of truth in that. “Married” —- whether they are consciously aware of it or not — means “good little slave”. Domesticated. Predictable. Controllable. Submissive.

“Unmarried ” says you are…..

Unpredictable.
Uncontrollable.
Challenging.
(more) Dominant.

Like it or not….. these 4 core qualities are perceived as a “threat”. They are too “alpha” for most people. Even women will pretend to hate you when you demonstrate them, but underneath, they secretly love it. They will just never admit it.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[AscendedParticipant 698]

Mr. Spock wrote:

Ernie Banks was quoted in 1976; “I like my players to be married and in debt. That’s the way you motivate them”
Think about that for a minute.
If you are married, an employer knows you have debt and responsibilities not only to yourself but to your children and your wife. Others are depending on you. If you fail or slack, you fear that your family will suffer. Employers know this. A single man doesn’t have as much riding on his employment.
Now I am certainly not saying that married men are better workers or that single men are not responsible or dependable at their jobs. I am merely trying to point out how a manager or supervisor would compare the pros and cons of hiring a married man versus a single man.

Excellent point brother!

Also great post Keymaster. Glad you shared your story. Great read.

"We are free to follow our own path. There are those who will take that freedom from us, and too many of you gladly give it. But it is our ability to choose – whatever you think is true – that makes us human. There is no book or teacher to give you the answers, to show you the path. Choose your own way! Do not follow me, or anyone else."

[MattNYCParticipant 2329]

Jan Sobieski wrote:

Women just don’t want to get married anymore…lol.

I read it on the Huffington post, so it must be true…

Yeah, i heard there are no good men left out there lol.

@icecold – not sure what country/region you’re looking for work, but i can speak about the large corporate world in the US – i work for one of the largest financial institutions in the world in NYC.

The majority of my coworkers are men, and they don’t care that i’m unmarried. I have some coworkers who are women, all of whom have noticed i no longer wear a wedding ring (divorced ~1.5 years ago). They don’t ask, i don’t tell them. For reference, i’m 36 – so i *should* be married with kids and all that s~~~.

Ascended wrote:

All in all: Marital status may (hopefully not) be a factor of your employment and I may need to think of phrases to avoid this cancerous narrow minded society of f~~~ing bigots when it comes to getting a new job. This is the matrix after all.

From my own perspective – i would find it *really* unusual, bordering on offensive, if someone asked a 21 year-old coworker why they’re not married. 21 is young, especially by large corporate standards in traditional financial services.

On the other hand – if you’re going in to a startup focused on digital marketing, it’s definitely going to be a younger crowd. But for those guys (and yes, it will be mostly guys, not women), they’re trying to “make it” before the funding runs out. If they’re chasing relations~~~s they’re not putting in enough hours at the office.

Hope that gives you some perspective. Having said that, a typical response i provide when people ask me why i don’t have a gf/am married is the truth: “The cost-benefit is too high.” But that might not be the best response in a work setting.

You’ll probably have better luck with the following, which disarms the question, and has the added bonus of informing whoever’s asking that you’re hungry to learn & do more:
“Well, you know i’m just starting out in my career. I’d really like to make a name for myself in field X. I think if i can get down the basics in 2 years by really challenging myself to learn and do more, then i’ll be in a position to take on some really big, high-value, high-visibility projects. I think spending a lot of time in the dating scene would take away from those opportunities. Besides, there’s plenty of time for marriage & a family when i hit my late 20s.” (Of course, you may have to practice saying this with a straight face)

[AscendedParticipant 698]

Thank you MattNYC

That’s also very insightful.
I like the idea of repelling the idea of getting married in a polite and hidden way. It’s just so true.

"We are free to follow our own path. There are those who will take that freedom from us, and too many of you gladly give it. But it is our ability to choose – whatever you think is true – that makes us human. There is no book or teacher to give you the answers, to show you the path. Choose your own way! Do not follow me, or anyone else."

[Rolling Tin FistParticipant 484]

Ha! Those married dude are just hatin’ on you. Stay MGTOW, and just let the shaming and pressuring, and guilt tripping roll of your shoulders.

I’m married, and I can tell you; these men are like a lot of middle age married men I know.

They could take the red pill like I did and at least use its knowledge to improve their lives. However, they have been so institutionalized by marriage that it’s easier for them to shame single men.

"Love is the delusion that one woman differs from another" - H. L. Mencken

[Anonymous 29]

Ascended wrote:

When applying for a job (I’m currently employed) the question about marital status is often anything but evitable.
This makes me think, that marital status is a factor of whether I’m getting employed or not.

You are 100% correct.
That is how most businesses and corporate’s rate you as employable or not.
If you are married or about to get married, they know that you will be in debt. Wedding, hose, cars, house hold items
or whatever.
By being in debt, they see you as someone who will be working hard to get out of it.
In this case they have you by the b~~~~ because they know you will bust your own ass for the pay check, often regardless of
how many hours you do and conditions you are working in.

I hate to admit it but several times I used same logic when employing new worker’s/staff.
But business is business.

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