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Anonymous2After listening to a MGTOW YouTuber named Sandman, he talked a lot about how men are shamed nowadays. I have quoted this from a donation that someone has sent him.
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The Shame Loop – MGTOW“Most men listening to this are going their own way and they understand the constant emotional bombardment we have to endure from family members, blue pill friends and co-workers asking us if we have a girlfriend yet. Or if we have a girlfriend than why aren’t we engaged yet. If we are engaged than when are we getting married. When the couple finally gets married the shame shifts to when are you buying a house or apartment together and then it shifts to when are you having kids and so on and so forth.”
What are your thoughts on this? I would like some insight on any philosophy that someone may have regarding the shame loop and how men are looked down upon for going their own way.
Welcome to the dark side Envy. I first found mgtow through Sandman in 2015. He is still going strong.
A well known metaphor to describe the dynamics of shaming is from the film “The Matrix.” The main character, Neo, discovers that the whole world is actually a computer simulation where people are unknowingly used as batteries for robots. The people in the matrix havr Stockholm syndrome and protect the system that enslaves them.
All of us here are Neo. The matrix is real. Men are used as batteries for society and we are just as disposable as Duracells. Adult females know this. Yet, most men do not.
Westerners live fairly comfortable lives. Our basic needs are met. The system we live in produces men smart enough to stimulate the economy, yet dumb enough to not realize they are being used. They will do anything to protect their masters. For good old red white and blue. Or whatever country they’re from.
We see this corrupt system for what it is. A scam. What do you think happens when we reveal the truth? We get shamed.
You see, women and the government shame us because we are their servants. No master likes it when their slave misbehaves. Other men shame us either because they are too stupid to know better or they want us to suffer with them.
What should mgtow Neos do?
We quietly go our own way. We don’t make a scene.
We avoid committed romantic relationships, avoid cohabitation,save our money and don’t share it with others, and we learn more about the matrix so we don’t get screwed.
We do all of these things while presenting the illusion that we are just another sheep. All the while, we are strong and majestic wolf in sheep’s clothing. We hack the matrix from the inside or leave it all together.
That my friend, is how you avoid shaming.
Pursuing Happiness and Freedom.
Hmm. This must come from a religious background/upbringing/community. I’m single now and my family is well aware of my beliefs vis-a-vis MGTOW and they totally understand my reasoning. So do all of my friends.
It sounds like this kind of shaming is far more common when religion is involved somewhere. Religion sells this BS narrative about a man’s role, which coincidentally(?) lines up nicely with Disney’s narrative.
I’ve pretty well excised people like that from my life and I noticed that the people left for the most part aren’t particularly religious. This wasn’t by design, I just noticed the pattern after awhile.
"Data, I would be delighted to offer any advice I can on understanding women. When I have some, I'll let you know." --Captain Picard,
“Most men listening to this are going their own way and they understand the constant emotional bombardment we have to endure from family members, blue pill friends and co-workers asking us if we have a girlfriend yet. Or if we have a girlfriend than why aren’t we engaged yet. If we are engaged than when are we getting married. When the couple finally gets married the shame shifts to when are you buying a house or apartment together and then it shifts to when are you having kids and so on and so forth.”
Yup. A while ago there was this woman online whinging, “I’m sick of people asking me when I’m going to get married!”
And a poster who replied to her said words to the effect of, “Preach it, love! Don’t ever let yourself conform to what people think a woman should be. They never ask men these types of questions!”
Como what?
What can you do? It’s incredible how much women will laugh in the face of reality. You could try showing them the video that you posted, but what’s the point. You might as well try to reverse a tsunami.
To see what is in front of one's nose requires a constant struggle. -Orwell
We see this corrupt system for what it is. A scam. What do you think happens when we reveal the truth? We get shamed
Personally I think it’s a bad idea to try to convince others that men are the suckers in this society! I totally understand why mgtow.com does not openly advertise its website.. Because it’s organic, it grows by itself out of a need that the gynocentric system has created. Just like I have stayed away from women completely for over 10 years quietly without been pressured by my peers (simply by quietly living my single life) mgtow men should not try to upset the apple cart of this powerful gynocentric system. I own the matrix trilogy and I see the analogy between what we are seeing and what we are actually getting out of this life.. But as cool as those movies are they remain mere movies that inspire us to free ourselves from a totally unfair biased system.
You must own a better Crystal ball than I
Anonymous42If women didn’t become such LEGAL TOXIC POISON I would consider fratinizing with them but that’s not the case.
There is no stronger adversary to men than the modern legally empowered and lawfully entitled narcissistic snowflake self indulged c~~~!
Burn your heartstrings men, give them nothing to pull on!
NO EMOTIONAL ATTACHMENTS WHATSOEVER!
YOU WILL LOOSE!
Shaming Only Works if You let It !!
It’s One of the Few easy Tools They have Left to TRY and Keep a Brother Shackled by the Blue Pill !!
Personally, I’m way past Giving a F~~~ about Societal Expectations about pretty much Anything !!
In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash
Anonymous2All of us here are Neo. The matrix is real. Men are used as batteries for society and we are just as disposable as Duracells. Adult females know this. Yet, most men do not.
Westerners live fairly comfortable lives. Our basic needs are met. The system we live in produces men smart enough to stimulate the economy, yet dumb enough to not realize they are being used. They will do anything to protect their masters. For good old red white and blue. Or whatever country they’re from.
We see this corrupt system for what it is. A scam. What do you think happens when we reveal the truth? We get shamed.
You see, women and the government shame us because we are their servants. No master likes it when their slave misbehaves. Other men shame us either because they are too stupid to know better or they want us to suffer with them.
007 (Reborn)
Such a great read. I could tell that you put time into what you typed. It really is an eye opener when you discover the truth of double standards and the matrix. I wish more men saw this and stopped being so ignorant to facts.
Anonymous2What can you do? It’s incredible how much women will laugh in the face of reality. You could try showing them the video that you posted, but what’s the point. You might as well try to reverse a tsunami.
Constantine
The women laugh at MGTOW. The mind-controlled men laugh at MGTOW. They won’t be laughing when they find out marriage rates drop to a low. They won’t be laughing when they find out people who are MGTOW make twice (maybe triple) the budget of a married man; even when the MGTOW man makes half of what the married man makes.
Oh wait, they will still laugh. The programming of them will override reason and facts, resulting in the reasoning sector of their brain to turn off and they result in shaming us. I’d rather be single, happy, free, and wealthy than be married, miserable, enslaved, and poor.
Anonymous2Shaming Only Works if You let It !!
It’s One of the Few easy Tools They have Left to TRY and Keep a Brother Shackled by the Blue Pill !!
Personally, I’m way past Giving a F~~~ about Societal Expectations about pretty much Anything !!
Awakened
When someone is a level one MGTOW, they are easily shamed and forced to adapt to societal standards. When you advance through the ranks and begin to see the reality, shaming fails to work anymore. I am still young too, so I am shamed much more than the average older fellow (an opinion, not a fact). I don’t plan on getting married, ever. I’ve read enough on these forums and have seen in person. No thanks. Single and Free is the way to go.
Shame me, criticize me, call me names, say whatever the hell you want. There is nothing they can say to or about me that will make my life more unpleasant for me than the slavery I must volunteer for in order to make all that shaming and name calling stop. It’s like giving me a choice between a mosquito bite and a bullet hole… Easy decision for me.
As a 50 yr old mgtow, I can promise you that if you stay focused and dedicated to living your own life, all that noise eventually stops. They have little stamina and eventually give it up when they see it doesn’t work. But you have to be consistent here in showing them it doesn’t work. If you don’t, and they get the impression that they are making progress in breaking your commitment to yourself, they ratchet up on that behavior and give you more of it.
Other strategies I’ve used along the way to where I am now are giving them the impression that they’ve already won. Give the impression that you are trying as hard as you can to sacrifice your self for some woman, but you just haven’t found one yet who will have you….
When are you getting married?
As soon as I get this next degree done…
As soon as I get this next certification done…
As soon as I get qualified for this mortgage…
As soon as I get this house bought…
As soon as I get this debt paid off…Any of these can be followed up with: “I dont not want to go into a marriage with this financial baggage…I want to do the best I can for my wife and family and going into it with all this financial baggage…’wouldn’t be fair to them…”
The shorter version is “I’m working on it as hard as I can, but I need about _______more years to get all the finances set up for it…”. Fill in the blank with whatever your interrogator is most likely to believe.
Obviously, it’s important to sound sincere and keep a straight face, but if you can, women and blue pill men eat this crap up. They fr’kn love it. And they’ll leave you alone.
You’ll occasionally need to vary your answers as you age. As I got older and more successful, and it became apparent that I was way beyond that minimum financial position needed to get married, I started to respond to to the “Why aren’t you married?” With statements like, “Well, if it was as easy as you just made it sound, I peobabaly would be already…”. The follow up depends on who you are talking to. If speaking to a married blue pill man, you can follow up with, “guys like you got all the good ones already..”. It may be bulls~~~, but it’s bulls~~~ they already told themselves anyway. If speaking to a married female, you can respond with something like, “well, the good ones expect a lot, and I don’t really have as much to offer right now as I will in a few years…”. They’ll suck this up like a chocolate ice cream on a hot summer day.
The basic premise of all these response is to get them to stick their nose in someone else’s business and leave you the hell alone. That’s easy enough to do if you can make them believe they’ve already succeeded.
If you have any problem with the ethics of it, remember that you are only going along with a lie that they are telling you, telling themselves, and are deeply committed to. You did not generate the lie, they did. And you are not obligated to correct for them all their mistaken beliefs.
The decision to marry and have kids or not is about the biggest decision anyone can ever make in their lives. In my view, if they have their nose so far up your ass that they don’t respect your right to make that decision for yourself, then you don’t owe them the respect of a truthful answer…
When you have worked your whole life, and successfully defended your space, your time, your money, your rights, your property and your freedom, you can start giving hem the honest answer. My standard answer when I (rarely) get that question anymore: “I have too much to lose, and the women available have too little to offer…”.
In the long game of the duration of your whole life, you MUST be more determined and committed to defending your life than those people who are lying on wait to take it from you. If you allow their shaming and guilt to work on you, and they realize that it does, they will use these tactics to take from you EVERYTHING you have to take.
I and other mgtow are telling you that YOU DO NOT OWE a relationship, or the benefits of a relationship, to anyone. Aspiring recipients of those benefits who intend to get them from you are telling you that you do. Which of us young choose to believe is the difference between freedom and slavery, and effects of that decision will be permanent…
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
I am still young too, so I am shamed much more than the average older fellow (an opinion, not a fact).
Shaming is ONLY WORDS, and Words Only have the Power and meaning that You Give Them.
If You Feel Shamed, it’s because YOU are Letting that Person’s words affect You.
Next time someone TRIES to Shame You, CONSIDER THE SOURCE, Walk Away, And LAUGH OUT LOUD !!!!!!
When someone is a level one MGTOW, they are easily shamed and forced to adapt to societal standards
Personally, I have Always Thought this MGTOW Level Stuff is a Bunch Of BULL S~~~.
F~~~ IT, Keep It Simple, If You are FORTUNATE enough to be a FREE MAN, Live that Way !!
And, How YOU CHOOSE to LIVE Is up to YOU !!
In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash
Anonymous54Shameing is merely a form of manipulation.
Someone trying to get you to do what is not in your best interest.
Manipulaters words have no meaning.
I am smarter than that.
I do what the f~~~ I want.
Anonymous13Shaming only works if you’re shamed.
If you’re not shamed by their words then they’ve failed.
Water off a duck’s back.
They’re still c~~~s for trying though.
They should be ashamed of themselves.
Anonymous2Shaming is ONLY WORDS, and Words Only have the Power and meaning that You Give Them.
If You Feel Shamed, it’s because YOU are Letting that Person’s words affect You.
Next time someone TRIES to Shame You, CONSIDER THE SOURCE, Walk Away, And LAUGH OUT LOUD !!!!!!
Awakened
I do not feel ashamed at all for choosing my own path. There is no shame to be a man that thinks for HIMSELF and not anyone else. The shaming words don’t work on me, it just gets annoying hearing about it after a while. Hearing a slaves words are like getting thrown paper b~~~~ at you in school. They don’t hurt, but annoy you are a long time.
Still not changing how I am though. The blue-pill men and plantation women can forget it.
Personally, I have Always Thought this MGTOW Level Stuff is a Bunch Of BULL S~~~.
F~~~ IT, Keep It Simple, If You are FORTUNATE enough to be a FREE MAN, Live that Way !!
I’d like to think that too, but you see a variety of people in the MGTOW community. Some still are unsure about dating, some are set on never dating, and some try to stay off the grid from everyone (ghost). It is just a way I look at it, and many others. But you are right on one point. MGTOW can be taken literal as a MAN GOING HIS OWN WAY. It doesn’t have to really be about hating relationships and staying away from women intentionally. It can be about a man that chooses his own path and nothing else.
Of course there is the other side of the fence where someone who is MGTOW hates the thought of being with a woman and sees dating as a curse on the man, and power to the woman.
And, How YOU CHOOSE to LIVE Is up to YOU !!
Anonymous2Shaming only works if you’re shamed.
If you’re not shamed by their words then they’ve failed.
Water off a duck’s back.
They’re still c~~~s for trying though.
They should be ashamed of themselves.
SpiritRR
Anyone who shames others have been shamed into shaming others. They don’t matter to you or I at all.
this is why we get shamed all the time. Women get jealous we are free to do what ever we want.
Here’s whyUs men didn't start the battle of the sexes, but we're clearly going to win it via the simple tactic of just leaving the battlefield in contempt."
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