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This is not an anti-male position. It is a carefully considered and questioned conclusion.
If you think reproduction is important (and there are no living things, human or otherwise, that don’t reproduce) then males are disabled.
In particular, in a species where culture, relationships, and communication are important, males are disabled.
We cannot have children. We need the cooperation of a female for a minimum of nine months to have a child. And after that, we continue to need the cooperation of a female, generally, in order to have a relationship with our children
This is the problem with being a male; our ability to have a family is only as good as our relationship with a female.
The same does not hold true for women. I have a 35-year-old female friend who is not particularly attractive, but very picky. She has no children. She told me the other day she was going to have a kid. “How?” I asked. “Well, I’ll either get a sperm donor, or just have sex with a guy.”
Have sex with a guy. And we all know how hard it is for a woman to get laid, right? She has no fears of the father running off with the child, or having an abortion, or demanding full custody. She just “has sex with a guy” and BOOM, she has a loving family.
The best part is, she looks like a SAINT for being a struggling single mom, who is willing to “sacrifice everything” to raise her beloved kids. I’m sure the kids will be reminded “your mom wanted you when no one else did” etc., etc.
In other words, females have built-in family-making hardware. Males are the ones who have to learn to walk alone, or learn how to please a woman.
Females complaining that they face “discrimination” is understandable from a knee-jerk perspective. But it is like this: If half the population was born legless, I am guessing the people with legs might have a hard time finding places to sit. They might even complain “geeze, all these legless people are sitting in all the good chairs!”
Heck, the legless people might start apologizing, and saying “gosh, I am sorry, it must be hard to have to wander around looking for places to sit down.”
That is basically the gender imbalance in modern society. Women have a HUGE advantage being able to have kids. They get to live full lives, with families, without needing men. The opposite is in no way true. But the advantage is so arbitrary, and so all-encompassing, that it is invisible to all. Even MEN feel guilty about not being able to have kids — “gosh, I guess I SHOULD donate to help all those single moms and their poor kids…”
All true, and what a way to make an excellent entrance. Welcome very much. Made it sticky.
Pretty confident nobody here will perceive it as an anti-male position.
Only women think pointing out their disadvantage is “misogyny” or anti-female.However, it’s not a disadvantage. When a woman has baby, she’s not “having a kid”. She’s having an ADULT. Let’s be practical. C~~~roaches, rats, cats and chickens “give birth” too. But it’s MEN who give LIFE. There is no advantage to being able to pop a turd out when empty values are pumped into it’s head. It’s like having a brilliant idea but no funding or marketing skills. Single mothers are where the prison population come from. Hitler came from a single mother too. So did Justin Bieber. Having a kid is the LEAST of it. But all women run around obsessed with “wanting to have a baby”… they all “want a baby”… and lets have another “baby”.
They’re aren’t having a “baby”. They are having an ADULT.
Single mothers are not as insistent to send their kids to the best schools. They don’t teach kids business and how to make s~~~ loads of money or how to construct cities. They don’t take their sons to hockey practice at 5AM, or teach boys how to shoot hoops and become massive basketb~~~~ stars. Or how to build rockets. You will even notice they will discourage this kind of dream.
Being able to “give birth” is not an advantage. Being the kind of man who can give a kid LIFE is the advantage. That single mother (where is that damn video clip….) who punched out 12 kids with not a dime to her name is not advantaged. Not even close. She is a parasite and goes on record saying “look at all my kids. someone’s got to PAY”. That’s a disaster, and you can be proud to be the kind of man who doesn’t even have ONE child who has to live that way.
And the reason you don’t have 12 of your own is because you (and we ) thought about it. We sit down in advance and THINK about it. Something single mothers with bastards from 3 different fathers didn’t do. This scenarios plays out to the right and left of us and we see it every day. A woman will want more kids just because she wants more kids (or to collect more checks). That’s not a reason to have a kid. Her husband doesn’t want more for a reason. Because he thought about it and +$250K to raise a child to 18 properly is a damn good reason.
On my birthday this year, a woman at the party asked me if I have any kids. She got my stock response with a smile: “I don’t really know”. After all, it’s still legal in this country for a woman to allow herself to get pregnant without a man’s consent. (But is that good?)
After it sunk in, I told her I’m not even interested in having kids in a world where Kim Kardashian makes the front page every time she takes a s~~~. I don’t want my kids raised by Justina Beaver and Miley Syphilis. No parent can compete with that kind of brainless cultural bombardment. I don’t want to send my son to school where he will be force-fed ritalin when he acts out, or know it’s impossible to get the excellent schooling he should have …. with proper values, like honor, integrity, code, loyalty and everything that makes a country great.
This is a reason for every man without kids to hold his chin high. The fact that woman gets a baby “shower” (of GIFTS!) for merely having unprotected sex is not something he is missing out on. The reason men don’t get celebrated with a shower of attention for ejaculating inside a woman and impregnating her is because its silly and stupid. It’s meaningless. It’s empty and has no value. Women would LAUGH if men starting having “baby showers” too. Because its’ nothing to celebrate. It’s an illusion. A farce. A fakery. It’s no big deal. It’s not an “advantage”. It’s a automatic bodily function like pinching a loaf of s~~~ – not an acheivement.
Only in the animal kingdom is “having a baby” an accomplishment.
For animals, it’s “the BEST” they can do.
For human MEN, it’s not the highest standard or accomplishment we can attain.Raising kids properly, changing the world for the better, and propelling society forward is the achievement, and it should not be celebrated , congratulated, or regarded as such even ONE DAY before that child is 26+ with both feet firmly established in the world as a formidable citizen able to pass on a legacy established and earned by his forefathers.
Present society is a JOKE. Not fueling it is the accomplishment.
Thank you for your inspiring thought.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.I honestly don’t think that having children is a terribly high priority for men. Traditionally men have wanted to sire a male child in order to pass their empires down to someone who will carry their name into the future. The child wasn’t the reason we built our empires, we build our empires because it’s what we do and then we bring up our sons to follow in our footsteps (even though they rarely do).
Females are the ones that are interested in family and community and sitting in a circle together sharing their feelings and agreeing on things. Men prefer to sit in a line side by side with their objective (a bison, a scotch, a topless dancer) in front of them and talk about what they’re doing with the world.
Imagine a traditional holiday dinner… the wife sits at the table and is proud of the earning potential of the husband she bagged, how smart and well behaved her kids are and how connected to the web of her parents and her siblings she is. The husband, on the other hand, is proud that he’s worked hard and owns a house and that he was able to pay for a big turkey.
It’s a difference, but not a disability.
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It’s a difference, but not a disability.Agreed. While it’s true females have the baby-making hardware, there are distinct advantages men enjoy in the reproductive arena. Men are fertile all the time and continue to be fertile at a later age than women. Women have a finite number of eggs that continue to decline as they get older, whether men continue to produce semen all through his life. Women may have an advantage with deciding when and if to have a kid, but it’s an advantage that is curtailed by women having to act on a very limited timetable.
I think another consideration is how many men would want to experience pregnancy if it was possible. Outside of MtF transsexuals, I doubt any man would want to carry a child. I know I wouldn’t. What’s the point? As Keymaster has already noted, animals instinctively reproduce. What’s the achievement in having a baby? For as much as some people get excited about the news of pregnancy, I never have heard why it’s something to celebrate.
I speak as a father and with a 2 y.o. of my own. Or at least believe its mine.
I agree with KeyMaster wholeheartedly. Alot of girls and women around my age(mid 20s) want BABIES. They want the short-term. The adorable. The cute. They dont look at the future or the long-term on raising the child without its fathers influence as theyre ignorant enough to believe a father is superfluous.
Men look at the long term and think about how they are going to RAISE a child. Not simply BREED. And that is why society is failing. Too many have been raised without that stabilising influence or learning how to see the long term and thus we are left with our current predicament where everything is geared towards the NOW and immediate satisfaction and not longevity."If you can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds' worth of distance run,"
you’re right Fitz, that’s why the Grass Eating Men in Japan are waiting before they even get involved with a woman. And I can tell you, the women over there don’t like it.
I think males look at women being able to have babies in much the same way 100 years ago many women looked at men having the “right” to go fight in wars, risk their lives guarding the homestead, even killing spiders. “Gosh, I am GLAD I don’t have to do that.”
Go ahead and feel that way, but recognize that having to rely on another human being to carry your offspring in their bodies for 9 months does give you a more limited experience of parent-child relationship than a woman has.
I put it this way to a female friend of mine: The closest a man ever comes to another human being is when he is having sex with a woman. The closest a woman ever comes to another human being is when she grows her baby inside her, and feeds it with her own body.
Men focus on the tactile, the sensory, the immediate-touch experience, and on sex with women, because that is all we have. We never have the potential connection to our children that women have, so we shut it out of our minds as even a possibility.
Just like those women who were grateful to have a man to take care of them.
To expand on the above: The reason men are so easily manipulated by sex, and women aren’t, is because of this imbalance. A woman responds more to the idea of a long-term relationship with a man because she is so much more deeply involved in it. Men are forced to exist on the appreciation of a surface connection to relationship. Is she pretty? Well, that’s basically all we have. So we focus on that.
A woman is interested in a man’s accomplishments, his resume, and his social status, because she knows she is going to be able to leverage those things from him. Women have relationship leverage. Men don’t. Men acquire power, acquire money, and then basically use those things to bargain with women for sex and kids.
A woman knows she has HERSELF. And that is what she bargains with. Not a self of accomplishment, or property, or other superficial outer things. She has a physical body that is MOTHER. And she bargains fiercely with it.
A male has a spurting dick, and tries to put semen in as many places as possible. That, to him, is as deep as relationships go.
All you have to do to really understand how true this is, is to look at how men treat women they are trying to woo. A woman offers HERSELF to a man. If a man offered HIMSELF to a woman, he would be laughed at.
Ever notice that a huge component of comedy is male suffering? Kicking men in the crotch is hilarious. It is all about reminding men that their bodies are empty shells, useless. Female bodes are the source of life. Nobody would make a comedy sketch about a woman getting kicked in the crotch.
I say all of this because I think men need to recognize and deal with their disadvantaged position. MGOTW is a very important start, but I think a lot of men cling to the hope that if we take our toys and go away, women will come begging us to return.
I don’t think women are going to beg men to return. I think they will just look for other ways to exploit the wealth they were born with. Just as rather than trying to force men to stay with women, women have developed a sophisticated “child support” system, and are working hard to make it easier and easier for women to raise children alone, on public assistance.
The brutal but critical truth to remember is that women DON’T need men the way men need women. They really don’t. MGTOW needs to be as much as possible about men supporting each other to make up for the fact that we are, truly, missing something that women have. If we think that women are going to come begging to us, or that we will eventually get the upper hand back, I think we are sorely mistaken.
I see younger men backing out of the marriage and family game because they can see how unreasonable and unfair it is. I see women who are determined to get pregnant regardless of wether they have anything to offer at the relationship table, or the parenthood table for that matter. I also expect that women with nothing to offer a man will get themselves pregnant one way or the other and live off public assistance. That public assistance is tax supported, and as a payer of onerous amounts of taxes (put “single man with no debt and no dependents” on your tax form and watch what happens to your money), I realize very well that I am paying this way for the expense of children that I do not know. By doing this, I share a little of the experience of fathers on this site who pay child support for children they rarely ever get to see. Women who’ve decided that men owe them resources, once given the chance to collect, don’t really care one way or the other which mechanism is used to extract them. Perjury and slander in divorce court, using children as hostages or weapons of emotional warfare to forcibly extract resources are all fair and without consequence to women who commit them. Once a person has decided to become parasitic, the means of draining the host is just a technicality.
I used to be of the opinion that men should not use a woman for sex if we already know we’d never commit to a long term relationship with her. Since most women are trying to use sex to get a man to agree to a long term relationship with her, dangling that in order to get sex and then abandoning her seemed as dishonest as it is when they dangle short term sex to get long term resources from us. But my opinion on that is changing. If they are going to parasitize us for resources through a tax system wether we choose to be biological fathers or not, wether we choose to even have sex with them or not, they have created a system where we may as well dangle the false promise of long term relationship and commitment with them in order to get what short term sex we can. If those resources are going to be extracted from us anyway, short term sex (albeit based on false hope of long term commitment) is the only compensation at all that we can ever hope to get…my as well take it.
I’m old enough that the strongest years of my sex drive are behind me now. And I can get what sex I need without dangling any false hopes of commitment. But if I were starting over at the age of some of the younger men on this site, I would not burden myself with any moral hesitation about not being honest with women where commitment is concerned. I don’t think any man owes women anymore honesty to women than he is being offered by women.
If you think that the stakes involved (a lifetime of unearned resources that they neither have to acknowledge the effort or even show the most minimal gratitude for) is not enough to inspire women to sacrifice honesty in order to achieve them, then you are a sucker and the resources you are earning are probably next in line for the divorce court resource extraction machine. We should use this site to help younger men understand the way the system works, and how to avoid being trapped in it. We should also use it to help advise men already trapped and parasitized by it to learn how best to survive and escape it when they become ready to take that step…
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
To be fair to females, there are a fair number of reasonable ones, and at a certain point the balance in male-female leverage changes. The problem for males is, the balance changes once males have already been put through the writing. Women start out with the most sexual power they will have in their lives, from age 18-25. It is incredibly easy for a young man to be taken advantage of.
I myself was completely bowled over by a much younger woman when I was 37. Nothing could have prepared me for thinking that I had found “heaven” meeting a 21-year-old beauty after finally establishing myself financially and professionally. Thinking she was attracted to me the way I was attracted to her — that she saw the “real” me now that I had some money and success — I got HAMMERED. Now my life is in a financial shambles, and she is working me over again and again through child support manipulation.
But at least I am divorced, and have learned my lesson, finally, about how women can really use beauty, “vulnerability” and their ability to have men’s babies. A hard lesson, and one I will be paying for another 15 years, but at least I got through the divorce, the false “domestic violence” charges, the smear campaigns, with some of my dignity and earning power intact.
Now, I have much more mutually beneficial relationships. Sex is much easier to come by once you aren’t thinking of each conquest as a measure of your human value. The pressure on young males to “perform” by showing off/proving how amazing they are, is incredible. I couldn’t deal with it. I have had more sexual partners since my divorce than I had in my entire life beforehand, and almost all the relationships (with the exception of one psycho blackmailer) have been mutually beneficial, and separated on good terms.
So it isn’t that all women are psychotic predators. But the vulnerable males will never see the psycho ones coming, and are not going to be able to form relationships with the reasonable women. Reasonable women smell desperation a mile away, so most guys have to cut their teeth on psychos first, sadly.
But at least I am divorced, and have learned my lesson, finally, about how women can really use beauty, “vulnerability” and their ability to have men’s babies. A hard lesson, and one I will be paying for another 15 years, but at least I got through the divorce, the false “domestic violence” charges, the smear campaigns, with some of my dignity and earning power intact.
Over here in Europe there is even a way around paying palimony and alimony. A guy calling himself “Leutnant Dino”, who got divorced three times, even visits talk shows on TV to speak about it. His method is to not have any seizable assets or any wealth. Everything he has in possession is owned by his friends. He lives off a part-time job officially paying minimum wage.
Everything else is off the grid basically. The problem is not the female, the problem is the state.
Good thinking. Deprive the state and deprive the state sponsored parasite. Love it.
Why do you even care if we have children?
It is pretty hard to be MGTOW if you’re shackled up with some whiny brat you have to entertain and look after.
If I had the misfortune to impregnate a woman, I’d just pray for a miscarriage or run as fast I can, change country if I have to, basically I’ll be a man going my own way and no bitches or brat is going to touch any of my money.
I totally agree with Keymaster (I love your posts, man, great minds think alike). In an ideal world, we would euthanize all the fatties, uglies, or any other women who wouldn’t boost up the gene pool and keep the hot and fit ones locked up for breeding purposes. We then take the boys away to teach them about being MWGTOW, lock up the females and impregnate them when they are ready to reproduce. Get rid of them when they’re hitting menopause.
My ex showed me once a birthing video, to show me the “miracle of life”. There was something oddly satisfying at seeing this bitch writhing in pain, although she was probably faking most of it.
@mdave thanks very much for the compliment but I would never suggest what you just did. So we do not think alike.
Feminists think like this:
http://www.vice.com/read/is-reducing-the-male-population-by-90-percent-the-solution-to-all-our-problemsMGTOW do not. That’s not a great mind. Not even close.
Please ease way back on the euthanizing talk. Suggesting euthanizing controlling or locking women up is not a solution. It’s extremely unbecoming of a MGTOW – not to mention totally ineffective.
How do we know this? If you want a woman to stay, you tell her there’s the door, get lost, f~~~ off and go away. She will refuse to leave. You want her to leave, just tell her she is the most beautiful woman in the whole wide world and you can’t live without her. She will begin planning her departure in no time.
Understanding this is key. You may have just arrived, but MGTOW do not throw a fist attempt to control or endorse violence. – because there is no need. In fact, a huge motivator for a MGTOW is a refusal to be controlled by women or the state.
(Search the forum for a post where I mentioned “The Godfather”) It’s also against forum rules – which is the only rule we have after men only. Disagreements are encouraged because the last thing we want is an echo chamber ….. but I don’t know where you thought you and I would agree by what I said above.
Feminists are the control freaks. MGTOW are this guy:
/mgtow-is-men-going-the-right-way/
In all other ways, Happy New Year and and BIG welcome to MGTOW.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.@keymaster > Come on man, we all think it. I know it’s not going to happen, it’s a fantasy. Women are all trying to run our lives and should be taught their place, ie: dinner on the table and bedroom when we fancy a f~~~.
I caught my f~~~ing c~~~ of an ex talking to her ex-boyfriend at a party, probably trying to get into his pants. Like any self-respecting man, I forbade her any contact with that guy or any other guy that she is not related to. My words were: “these are my rules, you don’t like them, get the f~~~ out”.
That bitch walked out on me the same day. Now I hear she is back with him. I blame all these f~~~ing feminists who give these bitches the idea that they are the equals of men. Ah, as if.
Every guy on this website has been screwed over by a woman, isn’t it the proof that they are ALL evil?
No wonder the world is such f~~~ed up place, half of its population is ruining it.
@mdave said: “In an ideal world, we would euthanize all the fatties, uglies, or any other women who wouldn’t boost up the gene pool and keep the hot and fit ones locked up for breeding purposes.”
@mdave also said: “Every guy on this website has been screwed over by a woman, isn’t it the proof that they are ALL evil?”
WTF??? Sounds like some Joseph Goebbels Third Reich ‘Final Solution’ Shiet!
No place for that Monkey Shiet here!
Yeah, sure, I have been 2nd Degree Burned by Many a Woman…And a Plethora of our Brethren have figuratively gotten 3rd Degree Burns on their Nuts and Buttocks from dealings with many an Ex Wifey or Girl Fiend.
However…Making a casual but Assholish Eugenics recommendation to KILLING WOMEN is FRUCKEN IDIOTIC and DARN RIGHT UNHEALTHY AND DANGEROUS for this site.
All it takes is for someone to tip off the SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER and all of a sudden, our site and MGTOW is listed as a Hate Group/Anti-Women.
We are Not hating women. I don’t hate women. Never have. Most of us love women! In Fact, I wish I could actually have an Equal Relationship with one in the westernized culture I live in.
BUT….That’s nearly impossible because I don’t want be get Caught Up and Pickled by the 80% (…Ok…maybe 90%) percent of women in Westernized/Post-3rd world nations (i.e. Bitches and Hoes) that frequently try to Use me, Meal Ticket me and then Hypergamic My Nuts and get gutted by a c~~~ diesel GOKU Super Saiyan Muthaf~~~a.
Yeah…Many of us are Mad as Fruck for getting Traumatized by women in our lives….But suggesting some Biblical “Let’s Kill all the first born Girls” is going Beyond the Point of Return.
Be Mad but don’t be Stupid.
TRUE NOT-HOLLYWOOD STORY: I have a Platonic female friend of over 20 years who asked me to purchase some vintage greeting cards for her while I was 2000 miles away. She was supposed to reimburse me. When I gave them to her, she acted like they were a gift. Ok. I got caught slippin…and NO…I’m NOT Fruckin’ her and Don’t want to.
Now, do I want to cause Physical Injury to my Platonic ‘Fiend’ her because she deceived me??? HELL NAWWWW! But rest assured, I will NEVA do another favor for her again.
An insignificant 1st degree burn. Like a little kid in a kitchen, I’ll never put my hands on that fruckin’ stove again. No need to smash up the stove like I’m in an ‘Office Space’ movie.
MGTOW is about going YOUR OWN WAY…Away from being the Manipulated Man. It’s about retreating from the emotional and sometimes physical Violence that many of us have found our selves with women. Not fighting Fire with Fire…But fighting Fire with an Fire Extinguisher called “Getting the F~~~ out the Burning House.”
Violence has no place in MGTOW. Violence is Dumb.
And don’t bring that Dumb Shiet up again.
Thank you for your answer.
I need to point that none of my posts were actually genuine and that it was a little social experiment I did when I heard about this group: calling out for the worse and see if some humanity and sense will still prevail. Apologies for the misdeed.
The person I pretended to be is actually an acquaintance that one of my friends had the misfortune to date.
Despite what you said, the general impression I actually retain from reading some of the posts is deep bitterness and anger against women in general due to past unhappy experiences. There is a lot of name calling and cheap generalisation, ie KeyMaster who insists on talking about women as a whole.
I am actually relieved that violence and control was not his response to his issues with women, although he is still clearly very antagonistic to them.
Saying that a single mom will neither care nor have the brains to look after their kid’s future properly is pure slander. His choice of words when talking about giving birth is also quite significant “C~~~roaches, rats, cats and chickens “give birth” too” (btw, chicken are not mammals, they lay eggs :)). By associating women to pest, farm animals and the mother of one of the worse man in history, he is actually dehumanizing the woman to something lesser and repulsive (and for the record, Hitler’s mom was a widow).===>“After all, it’s still legal in this country for a woman to allow herself to get pregnant without a man’s consent.”
Maybe he missed a few biology classes but it takes two to have a child. If a man willingly has sex without a condom, then he is aware that he is increasing his chances of getting a woman pregnant. Contraception and responsibility goes to both.
===>“I don’t want my kids raised by Justina Beaver and Miley Syphilis. No parent can compete with that kind of brainless cultural bombardment. ”
Well in that case, it is a good thing that he wants to remain childless if he leaves the responsibility of education to trash TV and school. I also notice that he only talks about sons, never daughters. It’s quite illuminating.
It is also pretty ironic that he will bash the so-called incompetence of single mothers when he himself has not a clue of what it means to raise a child or wouldn’t even try.
When talking about baby showers, he also conveniently seems to forget that this “tradition” is not aimed at poor, greedy, single mothers but at any woman expecting, regardless of their relationship or social status. It is also not for the sole goal of celebrating a new life.The gifts are for the care of the baby, which any parent will agree is costly and which will therefore benefit BOTH parents.===>“The reason men don’t get celebrated with a shower of attention for ejaculating inside a woman and impregnating her is because it’s silly and stupid. It’s meaningless.”
Again not true. The reason most men don’t do baby showers is because to this day I have yet to meet one who would love spending an afternoon talking about breastfeeding methods, diapers, post-birth gynaecologic issues and cooing over cute onesies. By saying so, he also implies that men do not feel any connection towards the life created. He reduces them to sperm donors.===> “Raising kids properly, changing the world for the better, and propelling society forward is the achievement, and it should not be celebrated , congratulated, or regarded as such even ONE DAY before that child is 26+ with both feet firmly established in the world as a formidable citizen able to pass on a legacy established and earned by his forefathers.”
Most loving parents will watch with pride and want to celebrate (not necessarily in “party” terms) any step of the way that marks a child development brought on by their support and love: their first steps, first day at school, first time they ride a bike, first game / academic prize won, graduations, etc. Besides, considering that life is won because an individual had a “faultless” journey by the time they hit 30 is downright naïve. Anything can happen at any time that can throw “a formidable citizen” overboard: sickness, bereavement, betrayals,
You say that the purpose of MGTOW is to be pretty much a free bird, not try and fit in the general social conventions. This would be fine if it was a general philosophy but it seems that most of it applies against women and relationships, being platonic or romantic, with them.
You are saying that 90% of the Western women are: liars, manipulative, less intelligent than men, materialistic etc. If you translate that into numbers: you are basically saying that about half a Billion individuals coming from multiple cultural backgrounds and different life stories share the same negative traits.
The issue with most of you OPs is that it you mostly exchange with guys who have been severely screwed over by women who have this nasty personalities, thus giving you the impression that most women are like that.It would be the equivalent of female domestic violence survivors creating a website where they exchanged their horrific stories and therefore concluding that 90% of men are violent and abusive.
I am not so presumptuous as to think that I will have your minds on things but if I have managed to give you some food for thoughts, that’d be enough.
Cheers.Did you write that whole thing up in Microwoft Word and then paste it into your browser?
Entering this forum with a prejudicial mindset and aggressively calling for the enslavement and murder of half the world’s population… nobody was fooled for a moment which is why you now have a negative post rating.
I’m sorry you don’t like what you see here but if you’re trolling for fake justice, you might want to go back to Tumblr. If, on the other hand, you want real understanding of and justice for the root causes of men’s desire to go our own way, go sit in on some divorce court hearings where perfectly legal prenuptial agreements get thrown out, husbands are falsely accused of rape and physical abuse and gynocentric judges bankrupt hard working men by giving half or more of their future earnings to a female who, were there to be true justice in the case, should rightfully be thrown into jail herself.
Write a report then come back and tell us all about it.
Every guy on this website has been screwed over by a woman, isn’t it the proof that they are ALL evil?
Have we? How do you know? Did you ASK? Or are you of the same opinion as every f~~~ing idiot Jezebel.
Again that’s where you’re wrong. I have never been screwed over by a woman. No woman ever successfully took anything from me that I didn’t willingly GIVE her. Think about that one good and hard. That was MY mistake. I might be p~~~ed because she manipulated me into giving her something…. but she never TOOK my kids, house, dragged me through divorce, reached into my wallet and took money or freedom away. They tried. But they failed. I can look anyone straight in the eye and tell them no woman ever “screwed me over”. So when anyone thinks “MGTOW are all just a bunch of screwed over whining losers” they will have to re-evaluate.
No matter how “evil” she wanted to be, none got away with it. My exposure to a vast number of females growing up taught me lessons most guys will never learn in their lives. It was like growing up with 300 sisters. I know EXACTLY how they operate and I can see it coming. This hugely advantaged position also allows me to see through the kind of comments you just left.
Example:
===>“After all, it’s still legal in this country for a woman to allow herself to get pregnant without a man’s consent.”
Maybe he missed a few biology classes but it takes two to have a child. If a man willingly has sex without a condom, then he is aware that he is increasing his chances of getting a woman pregnant. Contraception and responsibility goes to both.
False. No it f~~~ing doesn’t take two to make a child. It only takes one , deceitful lying bitch.
See what I mean? That’s an advantaged position. “It takes two” is what a WOMAN will try and tell you. “If you don’t want a kid… keep it in your pants!”. You have any idea how transparent that statement is? As men – and MGTOW – we know better. You will bring something of value to the discussion or you will not bring anything at all.
We understand your need to unload, but there are SO MANY DOZENS of outstanding reasons why another approach and flipping of the script is a better solution. Not throwing a fist (for example) and ignoring a woman who provokes doesn’t give her what she wants. She will do anything for attention including initiating violence to get you to hit her back… because technically, even when you are fighting her (no matter how evil she may be) she would rather be faught with than ignored. Thius gives her the satisfaction of being able to say “AHA!!! SEE?? I told you!! Men really are as bad and violent than we said!!!” . Why the f~~~ would you give a woman this satisfaction?
MGTOW already understand you destroy her more effectively FROM THE INSIDE – by ignoring her totally.
Bruises heal. But abandonment issues are forever. Less effort. More effective results.That’s just one example.
MDave tested MGTOW and LOST. Happy to disappoint you.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.- AuthorPosts
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