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A new British study reveals that men have an 11 year lag behind women when it comes to maturing. According to the study, commissioned by Nickelodeon UK, the average man doesn’t reach full emotional maturity until age 43, while women mature by age 32.
Here we go again, defining the male as defective.
Unfortunately, the originators of the study did not do their homework to first accurately define what psychological maturity is. From reading these MGTOW posts, it is clear that men are much more psychologically mature than women and at an earlier age. The authors of the study pick out superficial behaviors such as gaming, which have absolutely nothing to do with psychological maturity. Here is a reputable source of the characteristics of a psychological mature adult by the former psychotherapist, Dr. Albert Ellis.Dr. Albert Ellis had a Ph.D degree in psychotherapy and wrote many books on Rational Emotive Therapy.
On the basis of twenty years of clinical experience, and in basic agreement with most of my professional colleagues (such as Brasten, 1961; Dreikurs, 1955; Fromm, 1955; Goldstein 1954; Maslow, 1954, Rogers, 1957; and Thorne, 1961), I would say that the psychotherapist tries to help his patients to be minimally anxious and hostile; and to this end, he tries to help them to acquire the following kind of personality traits:
1.Self-interest. The emotionally healthy individual should primarily be true to himself and not masochistically sacrifice himself for others. His kindness and consideration for others should be derived from the idea that he himself wants to enjoy freedom form unnecessary pain and restriction, and that he is only likely to do so by helping create a world in which the rights of others, as well as his own, are not needlessly curtailed.
2.Self-direction. He should assume responsibility for his own life, be able independently to work out his own problems, and while at times wanting or preferring the cooperation and help of others, not need their support for his effectiveness and well-being.
3.Tolerance. He should fully give other human beings the right to be wrong; and while disliking or abhorring some of their behavior, still not blame them, as persons, for performing this dislikeable behavior. He should accept the fact that all humans are remarkably fallible, never unrealistically expect them to be perfect, and refrain from despising or punishing them when they make inevitable mistakes and errors.
4.Acceptance of uncertainty. The emotionally mature individual should completely accept the fact that we live in a world of probability and chance, where there are not, nor probably ever will be, any absolute certainties, and should realize that it is not at all horrible, indeed—such a probabilistic, uncertain world.
5.Flexibility. He should remain intellectually flexible, be open to change at all times, and unbigotedly view the infinitely varied people, ideas, and things in the world around him.
6.Scientific thinking. He should be objective, rational and scientific; and be able to apply the laws of logic and of scientific method not only to external people and events, but to himself and his interpersonal relationships.
7.Commitment. He should be vitally absorbed in something outside of himself, whether it be people, things, or ideas; and should preferably have at least one major creative interest, as well as some outstanding human involvement, which is highly important to him, and around which he structures a good part of his life.
8.Risk-taking. The emotionally sound person should be able to take risks, to ask himself what he really would like to do in life, and then to try to do this, even though he has to risk defeat or failure. He should be adventurous (though not necessarily foolhardy); be willing to try almost anything once, just to see how he likes it; and look forward to some breaks in his usual life routines.
9.Self-acceptance. He should normally be glad to be alive, and to like himself just because he is alive, because he exists, and because he (as a living being) invariably has some power to enjoy himself, to create happiness and joy. He should not equate his worth or value to himself on his extrinsic achievements, or on what others think of him, but on his personal existence; on his ability to think, feel, and act, and thereby to make some kind of an interesting, absorbed life for himself.Comments?
I forgot to add that I think the authors of the study confused maturity with the learned behavior of women. As Vilar and others, including the veteran MGTOW members here constantly point out, women begin at an earlier age to learn exploitive and manipulative behaviors and use them to dominate men until men catch on to their behaviors. Their behavior is infantile and immature, not that of the psychologically mature adult. Woman use those behaviors to dominate and control and wield psychological power.
The few feminists I have had to interact with were power and control freaks. The experienced MGTOW members here realize that one cannot reason with such people and the only credible strategy is to walk away and refuse to have any interaction with them. There are situations, often in the workplace, where one cannot avoid interaction with them. That is where strategies on how to do so are needed and discussed in these forums.
I love those definitions of emotional maturity, they are super helpful for, basically, leading a good and happy life 🙂
Also by those definitions, I was emotionally mature by age 11 but between then and now, lying bastards have dragged me down. Recently I have gained back Numbers 1 & 2 which can be defined as:
Self interest- F~~~ you, I’m going my own way.
Self direction- No more of your bulls~~~, I’m going my own way.
Anonymous1Well written, though.
Right on alchemist! I was there too at an early age.
I posted these critera so members could see that MEN are more mature than women when it comes to LEGITIMATE and authoritative psychological standards. That ridiculous British study was just another attempt to shame men. Compare their criteria with those of Ellis and see how pathetic theirs are.
Anonymous3I don’t really pay attention to this stuff.
Women reach full maturity by 15-16. They can’t advance beyond that, similar to how most animals reach maturity at a very young age.
Men don’t reach fully maturity until around 60, simply because until that point a man can keep learning and growing, but eventually, maybe at 70, maybe at 60, a decline finally begins as a natural result of aging.
I am too old now to bother listening or respecting the opinion of imbeciles.
This is a piece of wisdom I will impart on MGTOW: we are not equal in life, and only a fool elevates an idiot to his equal or better. Men come in different grades, commonly referred to as bronze, silver and gold. If you are silver, don’t place a bronze on your level or above you. MGTOW are at least silver and many are gold. Only listen to other gold if you must. Any “academic” that spouts this type of nonsense is a bronze at best, only other bronze may get some value out of that, but it is still the blind leading the blind.
Anonymous1I don’t really pay attention to this stuff.
Women reach full maturity by 15-16. They can’t advance beyond that, similar to how most animals reach maturity at a very young age.
Men don’t reach fully maturity until around 60, simply because until that point a man can keep learning and growing, but eventually, maybe at 70, maybe at 60, a decline finally begins as a natural result of aging.
I am too old now to bother listening or respecting the opinion of imbeciles.
This is a piece of wisdom I will impart on MGTOW: we are not equal in life, and only a fool elevates an idiot to his equal or better. Men come in different grades, commonly referred to as bronze, silver and gold. If you are silver, don’t place a bronze on your level or above you. MGTOW are at least silver and many are gold. Only listen to other gold if you must. Any “academic” that spouts this type of nonsense is a bronze at best, only other bronze may get some value out of that, but it is still the blind leading the blind.
After reading what you said, I have to admit some of this sounds very simpy.
3.Tolerance. He should fully give other human beings the right to be wrong
No.
Sometimes people see the wood for the trees when I’m still looking for the forest. Lol f~~~.
This study was brought to you by,
Nickelodeon UK
a subsidiary of Viacom, just another Media giant.
What else to expect. Any study can prove this or that just like a statistic, what´s the saying? “Only trust a statistic that you falsified yourself” same is for studies.
When I watch women they dissaprove those conclusions drawn from that study over and over. I think they actually never mature, they only age.
All I read out of this article is jealousy towards men and their achievements, inventions, creations, efforts and so on to better the world as is. All that is wrapped up as “childish” ?
That bitch couldn´t even write such crap if it weren´t for a man that invented the computer, keyboard, monitor, the internet………
Never give up being “childish” if it means creating a better world.Women can now start developing spaceships and terraforming if they don´t want to be surrounded by “childish” men.
Women are the most ungrateful beings on the planet. Imagine them being without all of what has been invented by men, they´d be still sitting in a cave and picking berries for food, being naked!
Ah, women. They make the highs higher and the lows more frequent. Friedrich Nietzsche
People age physically, intellectually, and psychologically.
Intellectually one can keep going all their life if they work at it. It is the psychological maturity that can stop or slow at any age. I have known a Ph.D scientist who was psychologically stuck in his late teens. Phoenix mentions women mature at age 15-16. They may mature physically and intellectually, but by the criteria of Ellis and the other prominent therapists, they do not mature psychologically at that age.It appears from the experiences members relate here that women more often learn more exploitive and manipulative behaviors and appear to control relationships more than men can. Men have played on teams and in work situations where cooperation and teamwork is important to get the work done, and those behaviors are more mature than the ones many women resort to.
Credit where credit’s due. If the study is correct, then it does explain why a relationship between an older woman and a younger man rarely works. Because what a woman wants at 50 is seldom what a man wants at 21.
And if there’s one complaint that I am numbingly, gratingly, nails-on-a-chalkboard SICK of hearing, it’s the constant bitch, “Why can’t an older woman date a young lad if she wants to? A lot of middle-aged men date women in their twenties! So typical that what a man’s allowed to do is unacceptable for a woman!”
Next time you’re within earshot of that trite old argument, just show them Nickelodeon’s “research”. At that point they’ll have to either concede that getting involved with a younger man is a waste of time, or risk admitting that women do not mature that quickly.
To see what is in front of one's nose requires a constant struggle. -Orwell
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