Male Friends

[Wandering MGHOWParticipant 551]

Are we truly alone? We all know the dangers of the toxic woman and to avoid her at all costs. There are thousands of topics covering that subject and its like beating a dead horse at this point to be honest. Lets switch it up for a change and talk about Men and the friends we choose to hang out with.

In my personal experience, I’ve had friends come and go. I’ve even had best friends become (secretly) jealous of me for having better jobs, getting hotter girls, having nicer things, etc. It has led me to believe that humans in general, whether male or female, will never truly be capable of liking each other unconditionally. There will always be something.

Then you have disagreements, fights, conflicts of interest, etc. As men we are more mature than the other gender, so we can typically move past this type of stuff. But depending on the severity of the argument/disagreement, it can have a permanent affect on the way 2 men view each other from that point on. You will NEVER meet someone (male or female) who is perfect in every way. Oh and I’m not even talking about blue-pilled beta bux f~~~~~s here, I’m referring to men just like the ones on this website. Men who are intelligent, awake, stoic, etc. I’m not even sure a truly great relationship between 2 men like that can last a lifetime. At some point down the line, things will change. You may get a promotion at work, buy a nicer car than he can afford, move into a nicer place, etc. If you don’t think these things will make him have nefarious thoughts behind closed doors then you are kidding yourself. The same can even happen to you if HE is the one with the better life. You may start saying things like “wow, he gets all that money and spends it on THAT? I would’ve done this, this, and that…”. It can go both ways.

That’s how it starts…

While reading through the book “48 laws of power” (a must read for all MGTOW), I noticed it is littered with examples throughout history of Kings/Princes murdering their former best friends and impaling their heads on a spike, sending them to the guillotine, etc. These were Men who felt threatened at the thought of being overtaken by their friend, felt they would potentially be sabotaged by them since they were the ones who knew them best, etc. In some cases, the ones who did NOT act accordingly, and did NOT notice the snake in the grass were eventually bit by them. The man who knew them best and knew all their intimate secrets eventually turned on them after craving that kind of lifestyle. He ended up taking it from him after being so envious of it. The funny thing is that when they were both in similar positions, the envious thoughts and ill will never occurred between them and their relationship was a successful one.

Humans in general are just a f~~~ed up species and I honestly don’t think there is such a thing as true, unconditional compassion between us. Its a dirty game out there and people will always change their views on you. I met a dude at work who seemed really cool on the surface at first. A few weeks into knowing him and I find out that he never finishes a video game. Always talks about how good that game is and how he can’t wait to buy the sequel, but when he gets his hands on it, he never makes it past the first hour before quitting. When I saw this trait in him, I subconsciously backed off from taking it any further and just kept it on a hi/bye level. I can’t befriend someone who has a weak will, knack for laziness, and lack of passion to finish a simple task, as well as being unintelligent enough to get past remedial tasks in a video game. If he can’t accomplish that, then imagine him trying to do something more challenging in life? What’s the point of this story? Well the point is that I never told him this, but just kept it a secret to myself. I can never advance my relationship with someone like that, but he won’t ever know it. So just imagine how many people keep inner secrets about me to themselves? Imagine how many people feel a certain way about YOU but will act a different way when face to face?

The one and only example I can think of is when 2 people are in exactly the same position. For example, 2 men are both 35 year old losers who had a hard life growing up and are now both working in Mcdonalds without a pot to p~~~ in. I can see 2 men like that being best friends for a while, years even, but ONLY up until the point where the status quo changes. As soon as guy A gets a promotion or a better job, guy B will be jealous. They may continue still being friends for a while, but the seed has already been planted at that point. Crabs in a bucket mentality. It has already begun.

I believe that the only true companionship on this earth is between a man and his dog. A dog seems to be the only creature that will NOT leave you or view you in a different light when the status quo changes. He will be there when you are living in a box, and will be there when you win the lottery jackpot. In each case he will treat you exactly the same. Males and certainly not females (as we all know) will view you differently with the slightest of changes. So do you think agree that we are truly alone? Are male friends just “temporary” phases throughout our lives, until we move on to the next one? Just how different is male/male relationship to a male/female relationship?

[GeraldParticipant 3620]

I agree yet disagree. My best friend, still to this day, I’ve known now for 23 years. I met him in a bar as his bartender and then developed a friendship with him, it lasts to this day, but we go through very long periods apart. For example, we are in one of those now. I haven’t seen him in 4 years, yet we occasionally touch base. I still consider him my best friend, and we’ve been through some of that envy stage, both ways, and we lose touch because of this or that, and yes we have times where we drift apart, but we drift back together at times too.

Will that continue? Hard to say… and friendships are hard to maintain if you aren’t active in them, but he’ll always be my best friend, even if things change and I never see him again.

So, I see your point, and I believe that most friendships are that way, but some can last a long time, drifting in and out of each others lives, and still maintain that connection, irregardless of envy.

Who knows, maybe I’m like a dog to him… which I agree is the closest I’ve ever seen come to unconditional love. I miss my four legged buddy.

No longer can we walk away, we must run. Remove the motive power.

[AttonParticipant]

Just how different is male/male relationship to a male/female relationship?

My friendships are casual, there is nothing deliberate about them. Yet for some reason they last, well 6 years and counting at least. But I would say the difference is the power differential men are on equal footing, well at least most of the time.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[Anonymous 42]

I travel through life gravitating toward men that inspire me to go further and higher.

Losers gravitate to other losers with same vice, they drift in loser land until one wakes up and desires change, it has ZERO to do with finances and everything to do with honor and trust.

An untrustworthy friend is a looser and betrayer of friendship, they flock together as the already bitten men that refuse to associate with them seek genuine trust and honor in a higher level of men.

I keep rich friends and poor friends, because a friend is a friend on the content of his character an trustworthiness of his word.

One of my best friends is more than 20 years younger than me and at 8 years old I could recognize his integrity and drive to do better. All he owned when I met him was a push mower he used to make money.

Now he owns some acreage and is building his home, he also owns tens of thousands in construction, mechanical, and welding equipment, thanks to the influence of u-know-who. He also surpassed me on the rails and steel features when we go skiing, but I still f~~~ him royal in the Supper Pipe when I leave the rim in a blind rotation and nail the landing in perfect unison (years of flips with half gainers off a diving board gave me this edge).

[RhinoParticipant 3477]

Great topic and most of us have lived the scenario you bring up in one way or another at some point in our lives. I cut all ties with my blue pill friends for the reasons you mentioned above. In the last 10 years I have yet to find someone I could call a good friend like the ones we used to have while growing up and going to school. Once we become adults the game begins and even those friends start to experience at some point a level of jealousy or frustration when they compare you to them. Once they get married forget about it they will always see you as a threat because you never married.

On a human level the hunter gatherer mentality has never left our species and we continue to exhibit these competitive behaviors in some form or another. We can try to elevate ourselves from this position and become more enlightened as to why we feel and do things to undermine our friends and learn to grow from it but this takes years of practice. This is why a lot of people end up losing close friendships over time because in our early years we are too immature to see this as human nature and instead of encouraging friends to become better people often we leave them to their own design. Popular people need to lie to be popular, the good friend will tell you the truth even if he knows it will hurt your ego.

But once you do this it is very rare that the relationship strengthens but instead will move to resentment for each other. Oh but deep down like you mentioned we recognize the threat like the Kings of old who got rid of their envious friends and move to either remove these people from our lives or try to keep them at a distance as best as possible. The bond has to be very strong to ever be able to reconcile differences and move past ego and hurt feelings for a stronger friendship. I have yet to find someone who can do this and understand the dynamics of what friendship should always be about because we are all human and humans in general will always be flawed.

[Maraudrz1Participant 2250]

I think you are pretty much spot on. As Rhino said we are just too competitive to be absolutely true to another human being. There is always holding something back from someone, whether it be a fantasy, a fear of something or maybe a bad habit. We want to look good in someone else’s eyes and will do things to look good. What I think that more people need to realize is that if you are willing to forgive, or understand or can adapt to your friend’s shortcoming whether true or just perceived that friend is most likely to do the same.

Women's brains and vagina have one thing in common. There is nothing in there until a man puts something in there.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

I can only disagree with you from my own personal experience. I grew up in a very blue collar town, but went to school and moved the city. Many of those people are still my best friends and we would do anything for each other. I don’t know if it’s a small town thing.

I think the saying is “You can take the boy out of the country but you can’t take the country out of the boy.”

Or maybe I just got lucky with who I became friends with over the years.

Order the good wine

[Anonymous 18]

I think it’s healthy to be competitive and jealous and wanna knock some notches to bring down your friend. Even if it’s just the thought.

You can’t work twice as hard as your friend and be happy for him for achieving more than you with lot less work.

Good news is men are able to check their instincts in time and avoid causing damage. When we choose not to it becomes quite obvious to the male friend and he can severe ties with us. We aren’t secretive like women.

Wandering MGHOW wrote:

I met a dude at work who seemed really cool on the surface at first. A few weeks into knowing him and I find out that he never finishes a video game. Always talks about how good that game is and how he can’t wait to buy the sequel, but when he gets his hands on it, he never makes it past the first hour before quitting. When I saw this trait in him, I subconsciously backed off from taking it any further and just kept it on a hi/bye level. I can’t befriend someone who has a weak will, knack for laziness, and lack of passion to finish a simple task, as well as being unintelligent enough to get past remedial tasks in a video game.

Your reaction to this man not finishing a video game is very superfluous. You can’t quantify a man’s skills or work ethics by isolating inconsequential traits like that.

Not finishing a video game is lazy to you.

To even spend money and play video games is lazy to me.

To spend one’s time on online forums instead of doing something more tangible could be lazy to someone else.

[Tiga KParticipant 1693]

I never really view friendships as something that are forced. I don’t try to start friendships and I don’t try to end them. When I find myself getting closer to another person, cool. If that relationship is fading, also cool. May we each go on well. If I spend time with someone, it is because it benefits me in some way. Maybe we are working on something, or maybe they make me laugh.

It doesn’t matter if they are not perfect. My best friend is different than me in a lot of ways. He is a fat alcohol loving guy, I am into strength training and don’t drink. He also doesn’t finish most of the games he buys, I milk them for all the value I can, he has communist like views and my views are libertarian like. Doesn’t matter. We have common interest and our senses of humour often align. When we get together, we focus on our common interest and have fun. Occasionally when we shoot the s~~~, we delve into our differing opinions, but we never argue. We try to understand each others logic, maybe point out a flaw or two, and then leave it at that. Well, we do like to trash talk about each others’ favourite video games and anime series, but we also do that for fun. Sometimes we just like getting a reaction out of each other.

I guess I’m like TaxGuy and got lucky. I’m naturally a loner, so I don’t force these things or really think that much about them. Obviously I don’t have a ton of friends but the ones I do/did are all quality friends.

[AntipathyParticipant 4901]

I have always been an alone guy. I guess it started at a very young age. When i saw all my friends stop being interested in anything other than a hole to put their dick in, i lost interest in friendship. Now that I’m a grown man i see that most men are usually instructed by their girl to stay away from me. I’m the weird single guy who declines to give compliments to the chicks. So god forbid their boyfriend or husband hang out with weird me any damn ways.

[Anonymous 5]

I had some friends since middle school and high school but my friend that was in our band always made fun of me saying you suck at drums . Always I should have figured that when there were any get togethers I always had to call them they never called. I should have realized that if they were my friends they would call me . So we drifted apart no loss.

[GrumpyParticipant]

In my experience so far in life. I have a few close/tight friends, I can count them on one hand now.
I also have a bunch of acquaintances that range in the trust level of I wouldn’t s~~~ in the same building/s~~~ter as them, to I might trust them at my back as a last result, in a pinch, maybe. For me there is a huge difference between friends and acquaintances, I learned very young that I was good to have around for whatever I could provide for others or when they wanted something. My real friends were there whether I needed something or not, other people…not so much.

My close friends and I trust each other implicitly. Sometimes a decade or so passes before we see each other again, and it “feels” like it was only last weekend we saw each other.
For the most part we have shared the same experiences in life, good or bad they have always been there for me, as I have for them. We’ve traveled thousands of miles to support each other, sometimes together, sometimes alone, sometimes it’s just a phone call to hear a good friends voice.

My friends are/were all just guys I randomly met through my life that for some reason we bonded, and maintained that connection. I think it’s because we all lived through the same experiences at the same time, and watched/helped each other fight through it.

Most were soldiers, a few never served, some were older or younger than me. Everyone of my friends added something positive to my life, I can only hope I did the same for them.
They are/were an eclectic bunch of t~~~s. 🙂

Personally, as a supposed loser dancing between the raindrops in my life. I think I did rather well regarding my friends.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[TuneoutParticipant]

There’s an old saying, choose your friends – don’t let them choose you.

TaxGuy wrote:

I can only disagree with you from my own personal experience. I grew up in a very blue collar town, but went to school and moved the city. Many of those people are still my best friends and we would do anything for each other. I don’t know if it’s a small town thing.

I think the saying is “You can take the boy out of the country but you can’t take the country out of the boy.”

Or maybe I just got lucky with who I became friends with over the years.

I hear ya brother me too!
Where I’m from is RedNeck paradise,camping,fishing,ATV ing ect , simple traditional folk and my best friend and mentor
is the same way,give you the shirt off his back and help anybody out.
He’s actually PLEASED if I am successful and even as the years passed and I traveled for work we still stayed in touch too.
Now I’ve had the other type of friends ,no acquaintances I’ll call them.
The fair-weather type,drunk talk – ‘Oh I’ll do anything for ya bro!’ (fist pump)
When the chips are down though and you call them on it
‘Well I would but’- Insert BS excuse here please…
I guess the way I see it a friend is some one who would drop everything he’s doing to help you out of a jam.
I’ve been lucky to have one such friend in my life and feel sorry for those that never have.

Now on to that one special woman……

JK lol

Lifes a bitch,but you don't have to marry one!

[Anonymous 3]

You should read some biographies of great men through history. So many of them were in constant solitude. Few really had any friends, and even fewer confidantes. Alexander the Great would get paranoid and kill his inner circle every once in awhile. He was not unique in that.

If you want to assimilate to the mainstream you have to follow the herd. Following the herd is great for the low achievers and even the average, they gain a new benefit. It is terrible for the higher ability people, who tend to get dragged down into it.

[UintatheriumParticipant 1861]

When I was a teenager, my best friend was a guy who was raised by abusive parents. He revealed all of his secrets to me and I revealed most of my secrets to him as well. He kinda needed me for emotional support and I needed him too.

A while later, he moved away and eventually stopped responding to me E-Mails. I fear he may have committed suicide.

I have male friends now … but most of them only feel comfortable talking about video games. The spiritual brotherhood that enhanced my adolescence is seemingly gone forever.

Feminists will sometimes claim “Men are afraid to share their true feelings due to patriarchal oppression.” I’ve been around male feminists. Most of them don’t care about my philosophy or life experiences. They are just as simplistic as everyone else.

The “nice feminists” who think that “feminism is good for sensitive men” are liars and scammers. I see no evidence to the contrary.

MGTOW: because you can (and should) say anything about a woman as long as she isn't within earshot

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