Machiavelli's Revelations

[VirgilParticipant 970]

Was reading from Machiavelli’s Discourses and came across two interesting thoughts. The first is here, the second I will have to find again. Thought there was a level of introspection and reflection to it that is profound for the age of his writings but still relates to today.

Taken from “On the peoples the Romans had to fight, and how those peoples resolutely defended their liberty” (in case anyone else wants to go read this section. I have been reading through his works as part of a compilation of his works that began with “The Prince”.

In the writing he is describing religion. His revelation: (took only part of the section, as its long only pulling out what was necessary)

“….. Furthermore, ancient religion beatified only men who were filled with worldly glory, such as generals and princes, while our religion glorifies men who are humble and contemplative rather than men of action. Our religion also places the highest value on humility, debasement, and disdain for worldly matters, while ancient religion placed the highest value on greatness of spirit, strength of body, and on everything that makes men strong, it is so that you will be able to bear suffering rather than carry out feats of strength. ….”

The reason I posted this changed as I was typing this out. The difference in what is mainstream and what we tend to focus on is very different. We through not really caring about mainly women, and focusing on ourselves are returning toward the “religion” (using the term loosely) that he refers to as ancient. Spirit, strength of body things that the left like to vilify like “toxic masculinity” LOL. It is only toxic until they want someone to defend them.

The other thing is that this place encourages men to be healthy and be in a state of essentially spiritual balance. Something that the world and the institutions (family court, welfare state, justice system) try to take from men. Typically by throwing roadblocks and obstacles in the way. Just trying to highlight the importance of what we do here. Just the simple act of us not partaking starts us down the path to betterment. This isn’t a push for religion or anything like that. Only a suggestion to be a peace with yourself.

Curious to hear what others think about this.

Hope that someday I may lead others the path I have learned. As Virgil led Dante through Hell.

[AwakenedParticipant 35203]

Virgil wrote:

The other thing is that this place encourages men to be healthy and be in a state of essentially spiritual balance. Something that the world and the institutions (family court, welfare state, justice system) try to take from men. Typically by throwing roadblocks and obstacles in the way. Just trying to highlight the importance of what we do here. Just the simple act of us not partaking starts us down the path to betterment. This isn’t a push for religion or anything like that. Only a suggestion to be a peace with yourself.

Curious to hear what others think about this.

I think that you nailed it !!

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[Anonymous 5]

This is why so many men are dropping out of the matrix.
It started many decades ago when boys began to do noticeably worse than girls in school. It was found that boys were being teased for doing well by girls and even other boys. This continues into college/university when women now substantially outnumber men. In many cases there’s a disparity of up to 70%/30%.

You’re correct in assuming that if you’re rich or powerful or famous or achieve anything you’ll be accused of male privilege or some other trumped up gender charge. However, the the old biological hypergamy rules still apply if you’re “humble and contemplative”. Then, according to women you’ll be unattractive and worthless if you don’t tick any of the above alpha boxes. Furthermore, the more successful a man becomes the bigger the target he becomes as a beta provider, a divorce golden goose or a #METOO bonanza.
Society has now made the Blue Pill matrix a toxic choice no matter which way you go, IF YOU’RE A MALE.

This is why marriage and birth rates are in permanent decline. There’s nothing in it for males anymore, no matter what Blue Pill road they choose. Society has destroyed any incentive for it’s basic building block, males.

There’s nothing but a minefield for any man who goes in any direction other than his own way.

[iMickey503Participant 12465]

I’d like to go one step deeper. I have been studying traits on how religion and culture reacts with the problems they face with women being apart of the political and religious spectrums and how they fit into society and the preferred roles vs the roles of responsibility.

What I keep finding throughout is that the more advanced and forward thinking a people, the more likely they are to see ruin overall.

See its kind of like that lie that all races are the same, or cultures / nations or backgrounds of people have the same abilities. As you progress to not care of one’s self, you start seeking joy in the caring of others. Part of that is humility. Well, the New testament is FULL of scripture that guides you to be forgiveful. To understand and be kind to your enemy. But the ideas only work when all people see eye to eye and have the same basic values and outlook on life when there is a conflict.

That is what is tearing apart our world today as we know it for many men. Hence why MGTOW is actually the logical solution to the problem that deals with issues with intelligence thrown at it and is a moral action & way to deal with the current situation.

There have been many old texts and sayings over the years that have proven true, but just were not regarded as polite, and have been lost over the years. As well as a sense of wishing that if we try to encourage those not like us to be better, they have the capability to learn to grow and mature and develop into beings with higher intellect and understanding with the goal of increasing their moral compass.

The particularly affects men since men (overall) value building things while some cultures value strength, destruction and obedience. The two can not coexist with each other if there are no mutual beneficial goals to be reached with one another.

This is why Women are such a problem along with certain cultures and people since their goals do not mate up or match with others. But the core problem here is women and how they operate outside of all male forms of goverment and benifit.

Nature is not a kind force. And therefore, since the dawn of enlightenment, Mankind has been trying to further the goal of this to surpass nature and for man to control his own destiny and kingdom.

By doing this, we have forgotten the most important lesson there is. The danger of out Vanity that is our intelligence. This seems odd for most people to understand, but out higher mental acuity works against nature and how our own senses and drive works in order to do things that are typically not driven by higher cognitive functions.

Combine that with how we as humans seek love and companionship with the Moral standing that men have and how women see these things and you have a real problem on your hands. Women and men do not share the same values. Women also do not benefit from the same moral convictions that men enjoy. They do get accolades, but only if it is the group dynamic. If the group dynamic changes, or there is a benefit for women from straying away from moral center of what a man professes gives him a sense of joy, happiness, and overall conviction in his life, then that route will naturally be taken by women since it is apart of her nature. I.E., it closely resembles her Biological or nature’s imperative and comes quite easy for women to follow this path if indeed lesser people as well.

Basically, Machiavelli’s Revelations are rooted in what is noted as perceivable reality, and what is truth or observable reality.

We could wish all day long that we can trust other nations to look out for our best interest since it benefits each other mutually. But the reality is not so. We are also dealing with our own nature of competitiveness. And part of that has to do with our desirability of women and others in how they see us.

The texts of the past showcase humans to be some great noble character. But in order to have that nobility, it comes at a high price. One is a successful tactic of long term survival and progress. , the other is a recipe for short term gain and immediate success. I.E. (should be I.R. I think ) SHort term Vs. Long term goals.

MGTOW Philosophy is a strange beast. It works for the individual, and in the long term also produces a good long term solution for the betterment of society through sacrifice of immediate wants (such as sex, love and relationships, families, children, & social gratification ) of men.

I have to also say that this is a very Jared Taylor “Wu-Hite” problem solving soultion.

My reasoning behind this has to do with how those with higher intelligence and I.Q. deal with problems and how they are almost guilt driven. This provides a solution that satisfies our need and desire for self sacrifice, while also doing what is best for ourselves and others at the same time. While still feeling that we has MGTOW have the upper hand and have the last laugh. So it also ticks the pride box.

For many, Machiavelli’s Revelations almost need to be read in between the lines as even back then, he was limited into what he could observe. As all men were. We all know very well what happens to great minds when they speak their minds even with tact. We all remember this guy when he tried to speak candidly but tactfully about the truth:

I encourage all men to please take the time and turn off the boob tube, and go back and read these great items of literature. Its amazing what knowledge has been hidden from the rest of us to follow a narative we never wanted to follow.

For those that don’t have time, or funds, but do have a computer, please don’t be afraid to download texts from torrents sites. There is a collection of books that are considered some of the most dangerous books ever written to expand your understanding of the world.

There is nothing like holding a book in your hand. But for those that do not have that luxury, there is other alternatives to expand your understanding of your mind, and the world around you. Not all of it is worth the time to read, but its better to find your own thoughts, then be hindered by the influence of others that may lead to detrimental actions in your life.

GREAT POST VIRGIL! It was nice to see an insight like this posted.

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[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

Wonderful post virgil I have read several discourses and revelations and find philosophy and spirituality
to be my favorite reads.

I like what my father said about religion.
He said: “Son think of religion as just a habit, because anything you make a habit out of,
you are doing it religiously. That does not indicate you are a righteous person, because
all the people who go to the devils church would insist they are very religious, but that
don’t make them good people.”

My father could always make me laugh and he finished this lesson on the difference
between spirituality and religion by adding this Winston McKinney Quote:

“Son, I make it a habit to sit on the toilet every day and that makes me
a religious crapper. Its better to be a spiritual “FRUIT” than a religious “NUT”..

Thanks again Virgil
I recommend the discourses of Descartes if you value the stoic approach
to life’s purpose.

I like to think of it as life’s poker game where we accept the hand we are dealt but
(WIN or LOSE) we must hand it back by returning our cards to the deck so our children
may draw a hand from a full deck. If we refuse to hand our cards back we are just being
selfish and ensure our children a bad hand..

love and respect to all without prejudice

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[SESQUI ano estParticipant 2535]

Nice observations. Another classic author that I must read. I just haven’t gotten to Machiavelli yet

Everyday above ground is a good one. Everyday above ground while single...better still.

[VirgilParticipant 970]

iMickey503 wrote:

I’d like to go one step deeper. I have been studying traits on how religion and culture reacts with the problems they face with women being apart of the political and religious spectrums and how they fit into society and the preferred roles vs the roles of responsibility.

What I keep finding throughout is that the more advanced and forward thinking a people, the more likely they are to see ruin overall.

From what I have seen in the limited stuff I have come across the ruin on a civilization tends to follow a specific cycle. One that usually starts with a rise in immoral actions (greed, lust, gluttony) then is followed by an uptick in blood sports.

iMickey503 wrote:

Basically, Machiavelli’s Revelations are rooted in what is noted as perceivable reality, and what is truth or observable reality.

That is a very accurate way to look at it. I hadn’t considered it like that before.

iMickey503 wrote:

My reasoning behind this has to do with how those with higher intelligence and I.Q. deal with problems and how they are almost guilt driven. This provides a solution that satisfies our need and desire for self sacrifice, while also doing what is best for ourselves and others at the same time. While still feeling that we has MGTOW have the upper hand and have the last laugh. So it also ticks the pride box.

Does describe it. Puts it in a different light when considered like this. Guilt is one great motivator.

harpo-my-“SON” wrote:

I recommend the discourses of Descartes if you value the stoic approach to life’s purpose.

I will have to look into Descartes. Have a few other books to read along these lines from Aristotle and Cicero, and thats just others from the top of the stack. Finished reading Julius Caesars war commentaries a few years ago. Have to mix it up a little, hell after reading Dante’s Inferno I took a break from some of the heavier reading. So many of the older writings are ignored during what should be “formal education”. So took it upon myself to start delving into these topics.

Thanks for all the responses. Nice to get other opinions on topics and excerpts like this. Figured I had been reading here for a while and commenting, but wanted to provide something of more substance than I had been.

Hope that someday I may lead others the path I have learned. As Virgil led Dante through Hell.

[VirgilParticipant 970]

Anonymous wrote:

This is why so many men are dropping out of the matrix.
It started many decades ago when boys began to do noticeably worse than girls in school. It was found that boys were being teased for doing well by girls and even other boys. This continues into college/university when women now substantially outnumber men. In many cases there’s a disparity of up to 70%/30%.

I experienced some of this myself. I wasn’t a great student, A’s and B’s. But you get good grades and basically become an outsider. Didn’t matter much to me, as I was a loner anyway.

Anonymous wrote:

You’re correct in assuming that if you’re rich or powerful or famous or achieve anything you’ll be accused of male privilege or some other trumped up gender charge. However, the the old biological hypergamy rules still apply if you’re “humble and contemplative”. Then, according to women you’ll be unattractive and worthless if you don’t tick any of the above alpha boxes. Furthermore, the more successful a man becomes the bigger the target he becomes as a beta provider, a divorce golden goose or a #METOO bonanza.
Society has now made the Blue Pill matrix a toxic choice no matter which way you go, IF YOU’RE A MALE.

This is why marriage and birth rates are in permanent decline. There’s nothing in it for males anymore, no matter what Blue Pill road they choose. Society has destroyed any incentive for it’s basic building block, males.

The true female insanity, they see just the surface and go no deeper. As they are generally shallow, they expect to find nothing beyond what the see. As Mickey pointed out its he difference in Short term and Long term goals. Men tend toward the long game, Women stick to the short with the instant gratification. So They use and take what they can, and when that seems to be running out, they try to extract any other financial assets from their mark. Shows a very different approach to life.

Hope that someday I may lead others the path I have learned. As Virgil led Dante through Hell.

[StealthParticipant 5365]

Great post,
My random thoughts:
– Ancient approach is more manly, superior.
– US laws tie a man’s hands from taking supreme control over his own life and property. Living in the US I get the feeling that you need the government’s permission for everything.
– The tension between accepting suffering and being passive in the face of injustice, vs defending yourself and fighting back is at the core of red pill rage in the face of getting divorce raped. Men on this site generally praise stepping away and moving on, while a minority support the more active approach. May 20th reminds me to not go down that road. I believe the ancients (some) would have. But here we are in postmodern big government (see point two).

"Once you’ve taken care of the basics, there’s very little in this world for which your life is worth deferring." -David Hansson. "It’s not when women are mean or nasty that anything is out of the ordinary. It’s when they are NICE to you that you have to be on high alert..." -Jackinov.

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