Machiavelli and MGTOW

[MTGMGTOWParticipant 235]

For a college management course I recently had to take some self-assessment tests online. One test was to determine your level of Machiavellianism. I scored a 44 and the average was 25.

When people think of Machiavellianism they typically associate it with lying and manipulating other people. In that case, all women would achieve the max score. However, distrust of others and suspicion of others’ intentions are also key Machiavellian traits. These are through the roof for me. The red pill and the betrayal I’ve felt not only from women but from some male friends as well must be the source of such a high score. It can be a useful tool for bulls~~~ detection.

My roommate had his girlfriend over and they were looking at his cologne bottles. She says jokingly, “this one is my favorite,” referring to a bottle with a very muscular, shirtless man. She also mentioned in another conversation that she is trying to get my roommate to lift weights more.

My roommate is in good shape, but he is lean and not very built. He does mostly cardio and is healthy. That is not good enough though (nothing ever is). She is trying to mold his behavior into becoming someone she is more attracted to.

I’m not saying I’m surprised. I know women do nothing BUT manipulate. But she puts on an act of being innocent and nice very well. She even sometimes cooks for us. For months I was trying to figure out what hidden AWALT tendencies were going on. A crack in her defenses. I found it because of two casual, seemingly unrelated comments.

TL;DR: I scored high on a test for Machiavellianism and find the link between its aspects of distrust and bulls~~~ detection and the red pill to be very fascinating. I used Machiavellianism to find AWALT behavior.

I've had to learn lessons the hard way more times than I should. I've been very fortunate to find MGTOW when I did. Swallowing the Red Pill saved my future.

[Branched offParticipant 10926]

I have long admired Machiavelli, ever since I read his “The Prince”. I was in the middle of a big s~~~storm -my African property was being seized by those I had trusted (because I was white), my wife had died leaving me with a tiny baby, I had trouble at home. I found this slim little volume in a corner that I had bought long ago and forgotten to read. It gave me good advice. I was at a time when I saw human nature for what it is. Machiavelli did the same. He had things to tell me that I needed to know to win.

Women are manipulative yes but Machiavelli is not primarily seeking to manipulate, he is telling you how to play the great game to the maximum of your abilities. For a woman to do that she will primarily manipulate but for a man to do that he must be seen as honourable and loyal to his friends and comrades. It is to his enemies that he must be prepared to be sharp. Big daddy cuck state and the matriarchy have taught us that to have enemies is toxic masculinity and really we can all live happily together and let the flowers grow. This is a lie. This is a dangerous lie. We all have enemies and rivals.

The best lesson Machiavelli taught me was that one should never delay to fight a battle one can win. This is blindingly obvious but how often are we encouraged to do just this -“yes dear I will do X, Y and Z” not “Sorry love, I know you will be p~~~ed off but I don’t want to do that” There have been a myriad times in the last century when men have appeased women’s hunger for power by giving them yet another privilege when really they should have said “No, be quiet and learn to be grateful” Every concession they make they make it harder to put female entitlement back into its box. They will have to one day but it will be hard now.

A classic example of not putting off a fight you can win is divorce. Do not delay to divorce. The only reason to delay would be to hide some of your wealth or to allow the children to finish school -that would be a good one because by delaying you win, by engaging you lose. However the longer you put off the average divorce, the more of your pension she will become entitled to, the more of the mortgage you will pay off for her, the more wealth you will gain for her to take half of, the less good life you will have to live without her. That is good MGTOW advice

This is also true with litigation. Someone is being an arse and threatening litigation don’t just sit there and do nothing, get your lawyer to write to him (probably her) first and hit him (Probably her) hard, destroy your enemy before he is strong.

Machiavelli tells you to seize control of your enemy’s state and kill the ruling family. This is good advice. Do not let an enemy stay. Crush him completely if you are going to. Don’t do what the West does today and tell your enemies off, bomb them a bit and then offer them a loan if they are good and give their women more rights and send less terrorists your way.

If only the US strategists had read Machiavelli before invading Afghanistan they would have seen that a chaotic state of warlords is very easy to seize and very hard to hold while a state like japan or china or Germany would be very hard to seize but easy to hold because the state is regulated and well run. Iraq was actually quite well run what did the US do? -abolish all the existing hierarchy and admin and disband the army. This caused chaos and led to many out of work soldiers joining IS. All they had to do was kill Hussein and his family and continue to rule as he had done, then make small changes when they had control.

Machiavelli is not writing rocket science, just human nature but understanding human nature is rocket fuel in today’s cucked up world, where human nature is denied to exist and the lie of equality prevails.

Forget modern definitions of Machiavellianism -go and read Machiavelli. Its not all about being sneaky its about being prudent, forewarned, aware of opportunity and ruthless when necessary. Machiavelli comes from a time of small warring city states. Within your state you need your friends. That is taken as given, You can be prudent and ruthless to others beyond your state and to political rivals within your state, to your friends and family you must be good, do not assume he is advocating being a scum bag because the modern scum bag just would not have cut it in those pre big daddy state days when you needed others.

Is this Machiavellianism test publicly available?

A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own

[Anonymous 38]

No surprise. In order to play people you must understand them. Can be a good skill for MGTOW navigating the blue pill matrix. I now view life as a game to be played and won, though I do not harm others that don’t deserve it.

[MonkParticipant 16983]

MTGMGTOW wrote:

She says jokingly, “this one is my favorite,” referring to a bottle with a very muscular, shirtless man. She also mentioned in another conversation that she is trying to get my roommate to lift weights more.

She just told him what Chad will look like.

[VirgilParticipant 970]

MTGMGTOW wrote:

When people think of Machiavellianism they typically associate it with lying and manipulating other people. In that case, all women would achieve the max score. However, distrust of others and suspicion of others’ intentions are also key Machiavellian traits. These are through the roof for me. The red pill and the betrayal I’ve felt not only from women but from some male friends as well must be the source of such a high score. It can be a useful tool for bulls~~~ detection.

If I remember the history of when he wrote the prince correctly. It was Machiavellis attempt to not be imprisoned/banished by the new ruling class and an attempt to help them succeed in their new leasership.

Branched off wrote:

Women are manipulative yes but Machiavelli is not primarily seeking to manipulate, he is telling you how to play the great game to the maximum of your abilities. For a woman to do that she will primarily manipulate but for a man to do that he must be seen as honourable and loyal to his friends and comrades. It is to his enemies that he must be prepared to be sharp. Big daddy cuck state and the matriarchy have taught us that to have enemies is toxic masculinity and really we can all live happily together and let the flowers grow. This is a lie. This is a dangerous lie. We all have enemies and rivals.

Honor is a big thing he talked about. End of the day honor is the hardest thing for a man to get. And can be easily taken away. He talks at oneNJpoint about how a price should lead his own armies least he create a military general who the people “love” more than the price. Sets up for a power struggle in the future.

Branched off wrote:

Forget modern definitions of Machiavellianism -go and read Machiavelli. Its not all about being sneaky its about being prudent, forewarned, aware of opportunity and ruthless when necessary. Machiavelli comes from a time of small warring city states. Within your state you need your friends. That is taken as given, You can be prudent and ruthless to others beyond your state and to political rivals within your state, to your friends and family you must be good, do not assume he is advocating being a scum bag because the modern scum bag just would not have cut it in those pre big daddy state days when you needed others.

Definitely a good read. He puts lots of references to events from his own lifetime and uses the Roman’s as examples where applicable. Very informative and interesting how he shows the predictibility of certain actions.

There are a lot of much worse things than being like Machiavellli. Also, some of what he suggests may be seen as “ruthless” but if that 1 action can prevent centuries of infighting or war, is it worth it? That is the distinction to understand. His actions are ruthless but based in observations of human interaction in history. Considering this, if you are going to beat someone use the enders game approach (quote from the movie):
Colonel Graff: Tell me why you kept on kicking him. You had already won.

Ender Wiggin: Knocking him down won the first fight. I wanted to win all the next ones, too. So they’d leave me alone.

It is basically robbing them of the will to fight, which is probably why in divorce the woman trys to so thoroughly ream the ex that he just stops fighting and gives in. Just a thought.

So just an example of a woman using a similar type of action to what Machiavelli suggests. Mentioned reading his book a few years ago to a woman, the instant shaming let me know I was doing something right. LOL

Hope that someday I may lead others the path I have learned. As Virgil led Dante through Hell.

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