lurker, now introducing myself (I know, original title.)

[HowardParticipant 164]

I’ve been lurking here off and on for a while. I’ve come to the realization recently that staying single is probably the way to go especially after my experiences.

Here is my “love life” in a nutshell. I did date others but they didn’t lead to longer term or were just a date or two or whatever. So here we go:

GF #1
LDR, after dating half a year, she cheats on me with some guy she met in her apartment complex that same day. Dumps me. I’m devastated. 6 months later I get a snail mail letter with “Please open” “Don’t throw away!” on the outside of it. I open it up and Chad took a liking to beating the crap out of her. I contact her, we get to talking, she comes visit for a weekend bliss, leaves again. We decide not to date.(I’m cool with this.) We remain acquaintances for about a year and I’ve not heard from her since (something like 20 years ago)

GF #2
I only mention this because of the game that was played. This was an LDR shorter term relationship. I ended it. About a week after I ended it, she contacts me and says she hasn’t had her period and might be pregnant and is planning on getting an abortion and wants half the money. I say “I thought you were on the pill?” she says “I had stopped taking it.” “Why didn’t you tell me?” “Because I didn’t think it would stop working that fast.” Of course I’m majorly blue pill at this time, but I do have the good sense to tell her “I agree to pay half, but I want to see the bill of the abortion before I pay my half.” Miraculously she had a period a few days later. Of course I didn’t fully realize this at the time, but now, I realize I inadvertently probably saved my self a few clams by insisting on actually seeing the bill. She contacted me again later on a birthday. Told her I was dating someone else and she seemed disappointed. I haven’t heard from her since.

GF #3/Wife #1
About 9 months in or so I broke up with her because she was being a wench. She asked me to please take her back, I agreed, she was fine after that. After 5 years altogether we got married. Marriage was fine. Kid 1 comes, I do a lot of the taking care of the kid (changing diapers, staying up with it, putting it to sleep, etc.) Kid 2 comes same thing. Kid 2 is about 2 years old and work is driving me pretty hard with lots of drama there, and pretty soon Wife #1 is hanging out with a female friend who recently went through a divorce. They go to the bars…. I don’t think I need to explain much more. What I find out to be 4 boyfriends and a separation later, I file for divorce. I end up okay in divorce as she doesn’t want to fight anything. (thank you God) Joint custody of the kids. Interestingly, about 6 months after divorce, I get a call in the middle of the night from her, BF #4 has taken a liking to beating her up while I have the kids and he just got done beating her up. I call the cops. She of course doesn’t press charges despite enough evidence to put him away.

After my divorce one of my good friends introduces me to The Red Pill. I read some of the stuff, but didn’t really swallow it.

GF #4
Divorced woman, been divorced about 5 years, has had a couple 1 year relationships since her divorce. She lives in another town (remember I have joint custody of my kids.) She has an obvious orbiter/White Knight that’s been around since her divorce. He flirts with her via FB while we are dating. I take issue with it, she tells him to stop, but he insists I don’t know what I’m talking about. She assures me she’d never date him and he’s just a friend that helps her out. She has issues with pretty much any female that is friendly with me at all. First 6 months of dating were great. About 9 months in I start to realize this thing probably isn’t going to last forever, but “I’m having fun and it’ll be okay.” But I’m a dupe. She regularly complains about her ex husband and how child support payments keep dropping. From her stories, I piece together that in their marriage she wanted all the things and husband worked his butt off to get her all the things, but then complained the husband was never around. Husband eventually found another woman. They divorce; he wants joint custody, but she says no way! They go to court to argue over custody and other trivial things. Court awards her full custody. She complains to me regularly as kids come home missing their dad and blames him because they don’t get to see him as often. She complains regularly about her finances so like a dupe, I start helping pay for her bills. She’s still always short and complaining. After a while she starts nitpicking me about just little stuff like mannerisms that shouldn’t matter. Some stuff I understood, but a lot of it was honestly nitpicking(s~~~ tests). Pretty soon she’s hinting that I should buy a big house for all of us to live in in her town and she’d pay what she’s paying in rent to help with the mortgage. Admittedly I did look at houses and realized no way. Further I have joint custody of my kids and don’t want to go through a custody battle because I’m the one that moves away and end up losing custody of my kids. I eventually tell her I’m not interested in marriage at this point, but am committed to the relationship and want to just date. She’s okay with it for a month… She eventually breaks up with me when what I think is that she fully realizes, I’m not leaving my town nor buying her house. But… I get blocked on facebook. A week later I get unblocked. She starts texting me and asking me back. Initially I said yes, but felt bad juju about it and changed my mind the next day. About a week later she asked if I was sure I didn’t want her back. I told her we should just be a part, we are on different paths. Half a week later, I can tell on FB through mutual friends being tagged that she’s starting a relationship with the orbiter. I blocked both her and the orbiter on FB so I didn’t see stuff tagged through mutual friends. I get a call about 2 weeks after that from a mutual friend that orbiter and her are officially dating. Some time later I find out that there was another guy altogether that she went for coffee with while I was blocked. He told me about it. Gathering intel, I basically find out that he ended up kind creeping her out somehow. My guess is, she left me, checked him out, didn’t work, so she asked me back, when I refused, she took orbiter. A while later I did contact her essentially asking WTF? and got a response that was essentially “I’m sorry you got hurt, but you could say my eyes were opened to how much orbiter cares for me and now that he has me, he doesn’t ever want to lose me.”

I admittedly was pretty devastated and hurt about this especially after what happened in my marriage and that she knew about all that. I do see a counselor sometimes and my counselor suggested I do a timeline of all of my relationships and I’ll likely see a pattern. Yup, sure did. But I also more or less came to the conclusion that I get to about a 7 or 8 happiness on a 10 scale when I’m single, I start attracting women, I date them, I get to a 9 or 10, then eventually s~~~ happens, I drop to a 3 and am miserable for 3-6 months and then get back to being happy again. There’s a big part of me that thinks MGTOW and staying single is the way to go. Maybe after a long time of being single I’ll get to being 9 or 10 happiness on my own.

Anyway, that’s my story and intro. I’ll likely respond to things on this thread, but will likely go back to lurking for the most part.

[bladeParticipant]

Welcome bro . Hope you enjoy

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[ghostParticipant]

Howard wrote:

Anyway, that’s my story and intro. I’ll likely respond to things on this thread, but will likely go back to lurking for the most part.

Thanks for sharing your story, Howard. Participating in discussions helps reinforce some of the concepts and prevents repeated mistakes. I hope you find the forums as helpful as I have.

[Anonymous 6]

Whats good homie.

[John Woods 13Participant 2855]

Welcome Howard!

The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!

[NomadicExpatParticipant 1785]

Howard wrote:

But I also more or less came to the conclusion that I get to about a 7 or 8 happiness on a 10 scale when I’m single, I start attracting women, I date them, I get to a 9 or 10, then eventually s~~~ happens, I drop to a 3 and am miserable for 3-6 months and then get back to being happy again. There’s a big part of me that thinks MGTOW and staying single is the way to go. Maybe after a long time of being single I’ll get to being 9 or 10 happiness on my own.

Brilliant self realization, Brother. Youve self analyzed, used logic and rational thinking and are applying it in the best way possible.

You will fit in well here. A most sincere welcome.

[HowardParticipant 164]

NomadicExpat wrote:

Brilliant self realization, Brother. Youve self analyzed, used logic and rational thinking and are applying it in the best way possible.

You will fit in well here. A most sincere welcome

Thanks. When I told my counselor something along the lines of “There’s a part of me that thinks maybe I just shouldn’t date and be happy staying single,” the counselor kinda laughed. I wasn’t sure how to take that.

[obZenParticipant 107]

Howard wrote:

NomadicExpat wrote:

Brilliant self realization, Brother. Youve self analyzed, used logic and rational thinking and are applying it in the best way possible.

You will fit in well here. A most sincere welcome

Thanks. When I told my counselor something along the lines of “There’s a part of me that thinks maybe I just shouldn’t date and be happy staying single,” the counselor kinda laughed. I wasn’t sure how to take that.

It was probably a nervous laugh because of the courage and bravery you displayed to him/her.

Welcome, I just joined as well. If you will it and work towards it you can easily reach that 9/10 level of happiness by going your own way.

I believe that eventually you might even break out of that scale and realize by GYOW you can create your own scale of happiness and contentment that is inaccessible to people in relationships, healthy or not healthy.

[NomadicExpatParticipant 1785]

obZen wrote:

Howard wrote:

NomadicExpat wrote:

Brilliant self realization, Brother. Youve self analyzed, used logic and rational thinking and are applying it in the best way possible.

You will fit in well here. A most sincere welcome

Thanks. When I told my counselor something along the lines of “There’s a part of me that thinks maybe I just shouldn’t date and be happy staying single,” the counselor kinda laughed. I wasn’t sure how to take that.

It was probably a nervous laugh because of the courage and bravery you displayed to him/her.

Welcome, I just joined as well. If you will it and work towards it you can easily reach that 9/10 level of happiness by going your own way.

I believe that eventually you might even break out of that scale and realize by GYOW you can create your own scale of happiness and contentment that is inaccessible to people in relationships, healthy or not healthy.

Wow, we are bringing in some great new MGTOWs.

Looks like the flood of tuna is starting to wane. Thank God.

[AposematicParticipant 2671]

A chord was struck in family court proceedings that ‘Mr O2tosin has not re-partnered’. I am intrigued by being untrammeled is such a novel concept , and treated with suspicion.

Afinogyny.. from the Greek Afino {to abandon/ to set down/ to leave /to allow/ to let } + Gyny {Women} MGHOW’s philosophy to not engage women without “hating them”. Narcorca =Narcissistic Orca typically spouting to a bathroom mirror taking an arms length selfie ; Wallinate describes post wall females whose SMV is terminally negligible New Years resolution "To not make women happy" . Instadestitue: yet another Neologism for Men that cohabit with women that decide to pull the handle of intervention orders.

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Welcome brother,

you describe EXACTLY how women “function” and that there is no winning with them.

Happiness 3 out of 10 at max…

If they don’t make you suicidal after all.

I can confirm: Living alone after c~~~-induced childhood and youth hell:

“MGTOW Happiness Index” 11 out of 10…

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Howard wrote:

I’ve been lurking here off and on for a while. I’ve come to the realization recently that staying single is probably the way to go especially after my experiences.

Here is my “love life” in a nutshell. I did date others but they didn’t lead to longer term or were just a date or two or whatever. So here we go:

GF #1
LDR, after dating half a year, she cheats on me with some guy she met in her apartment complex that same day. Dumps me. I’m devastated. 6 months later I get a snail mail letter with “Please open” “Don’t throw away!” on the outside of it. I open it up and Chad took a liking to beating the crap out of her. I contact her, we get to talking, she comes visit for a weekend bliss, leaves again. We decide not to date.(I’m cool with this.) We remain acquaintances for about a year and I’ve not heard from her since (something like 20 years ago)

In the future, when the ex’s try to contact, ghost them. The smart thing to do would have been to throw that envelope away. Your ex’s have this thing that they all have in common where they cheat on you with other guys. They don’t value you. They value the c~~~ of a stranger over the things you offer in life. Because wimmin are driven by emotion. Not by logic. When Chad Thunderc~~~ comes into their lives and whispers in their ear, their vagina tingles.

Howard wrote:

GF #2
I only mention this because of the game that was played. This was an LDR shorter term relationship. I ended it. About a week after I ended it, she contacts me and says she hasn’t had her period and might be pregnant and is planning on getting an abortion and wants half the money. I say “I thought you were on the pill?” she says “I had stopped taking it.” “Why didn’t you tell me?” “Because I didn’t think it would stop working that fast.” Of course I’m majorly blue pill at this time, but I do have the good sense to tell her “I agree to pay half, but I want to see the bill of the abortion before I pay my half.” Miraculously she had a period a few days later. Of course I didn’t fully realize this at the time, but now, I realize I inadvertently probably saved my self a few clams by insisting on actually seeing the bill. She contacted me again later on a birthday. Told her I was dating someone else and she seemed disappointed. I haven’t heard from her since.

Any woman who claims pregnancy is an “oops! accident” is lying. She was trying to get pregnant. Deep down she knew that. It’s no coincidence she “stopped taking it”. She’s not a total idiot. She knew if she stopped taking it and kept having unprotected sex with you she was gonna get pregnant. She was trying to extort money out of you. You see that now.

Howard wrote:

GF #3/Wife #1
About 9 months in or so I broke up with her because she was being a wench. She asked me to please take her back, I agreed, she was fine after that. After 5 years altogether we got married. Marriage was fine. Kid 1 comes, I do a lot of the taking care of the kid (changing diapers, staying up with it, putting it to sleep, etc.) Kid 2 comes same thing. Kid 2 is about 2 years old and work is driving me pretty hard with lots of drama there, and pretty soon Wife #1 is hanging out with a female friend who recently went through a divorce. They go to the bars…. I don’t think I need to explain much more. What I find out to be 4 boyfriends and a separation later, I file for divorce. I end up okay in divorce as she doesn’t want to fight anything. (thank you God) Joint custody of the kids. Interestingly, about 6 months after divorce, I get a call in the middle of the night from her, BF #4 has taken a liking to beating her up while I have the kids and he just got done beating her up. I call the cops. She of course doesn’t press charges despite enough evidence to put him away.

After my divorce one of my good friends introduces me to The Red Pill. I read some of the stuff, but didn’t really swallow it.

The common theme with your decision making is these girls ring you up, using you as an emotional tampon and you jump through their hoops. They use you as their savior and then leave you high and dry. Men make the common mistake of going back to wimmin after breaking up with her. The only thing that’s bound to happen by going back is, you’ll realize soon after why you left. You’re just wasting your time doing this. I’ve seen it all too often.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

Welcome to the pack, we run freely on the next full moon.

Now seriusly…. damnnnnn that’s quite the amount of s~~~ right there.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[NerdTunnelerParticipant]

Welcome brother…Continue taking the red pill and share our thoughts to better understand yourself…The pull of the plantation is strong and it takes a lot of retraining to focus on yourself instead of being a slave…Be Free brother…

I stand with feet apart and let my balls hang free...Manginas dont have balls...See how they stand and sit at the whim of their masters...

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

Honored to have you aboard, Howard. S M W.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[DocParticipant]

Welcome Howard.
Interesting story and very insightful.

You hit the nail on the head when you assess the happiness scale.
Women can give us the highs but they INEVITABLY bring the lows.
Want less lows? Stay the f~~~ away from the women.
Men are cheap in their eyes. Shallow creatures and best avoided like the Black Death.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[HowardParticipant 164]

IRuleMe wrote:

The common theme with your decision making is these girls ring you up, using you as an emotional tampon and you jump through their hoops. They use you as their savior and then leave you high and dry. Men make the common mistake of going back to wimmin after breaking up with her. The only thing that’s bound to happen by going back is, you’ll realize soon after why you left. You’re just wasting your time doing this. I’ve seen it all too often.

Agreed. If GF #4 ever contacts again assuming she doesn’t lure orbiter into marriage hell and supporting another man’s kids, I will ignore her. I’ve deleted all her contact information from my phone. People IRL that I’ve commented to that I just don’t see the point in dating anymore often tell me “Oh give it a year or two, you’ll find someone nice.” And I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been told crap by women like “You are such a nice guy and have a heart of gold. If I were (single, younger, etc) I’d swoop you right up.” I have a brother who’s never been married that gets told similar crap. I actually think he’s turned MGTOW be default and doesn’t even know it. AFAIK he’s not dated anyone in about 4 years.

I’ve procreated, it took getting divorced and not having an AWALT spending all her earned money as well as my money to finally get debt free, and like I said earlier, I eventually get happy being single doing my own thing. So why torture myself for 6 months of possible bliss while spending more money on eating out more with two meals, flowers, etc. followed by 6 months of being miserable?

[Anonymous 3]

Howard wrote:

I’ve been lurking here off and on for a while. I’ve come to the realization recently that staying single is probably the way to go especially after my experiences.

NomadicExpat wrote:

Brilliant self realization, Brother. Youve self analyzed, used logic and rational thinking and are applying it in the best way possible.

looks to me like you have done enough self-reflection to start going your own way & living a life of a free man. Welcome!

[Wildwalker57Participant 107]

My own two cents-
Happiness to me is always up and down like waves in the ocean. The higher the wave gets, the bigger the crash at the end. I have given up on ‘happiness’ all the time because the people I met who say they’re happy all the time, honestly look like they are loaded up on meds.
I personally reach for maximizing satisfaction and fulfillment in all things in my living experience (work, play, relationships, etc). I have found once I turned away from “happiness” as a goal and sought these other things, I pulled a rabbit out of my hat and the overall outlook of my life improved a great deal.
Again, just my two cents. Good luck to you, Sir.

"It's a trap!" Admiral Ackbar.

[AttonParticipant]

Don’t repeat the same mistake you have made in the past, just go MGTOW.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

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