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@keymaster and TheBard
Thank you so much for your words! Of course, I will visit again! My home internet connection was down since the past few days due to heavy rains (damn, the problems of living in an underdeveloped third world country), and all third part websites are blocked at my workplace. Hence i couldn’t log in for a few days. I will be posting a detailed introduction in the corresponding forum very soon.
It’s because you give some desperate vibes. You need to be confident. I have rejected a lot of women who wanted to date. Frankly it’s because I have confiendnece and didn’t need women. You need to relax and be less serious. There are other things besides women. Trust me when I say this, a lot of women aren’t worth the time or energy.
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
@CrazyCanuck
If you had gone through each of my posts in this thread, you wouldn’t be saying what you just did in your previous post. I have clearly mentioned in previous posts that I don’t need women at all in my life, and in fact now I just hate and resent women so much now. I guess you only read my first post which started the thread, and then based your post on whatever I have said only in my initial post. Women aren’t even worth my middle finger anymore.
I really don’t believe you. Maybe you will for the time being. Time will always tell. See with me I just don’t bother, not because I got rejected but because I wanted to. There is a big difference.
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
@CrazyCanuck
I respect your opinion. But you believing me or not doesn’t change the reality, right? And getting ‘rejected’ was not my ‘choice’. I mean…I never really got ‘rejected’ as such, but this evil species known as ‘women’ somehow feels I’m ‘too unattractive’ for them. If women asked you out themselves, that too several times, it means you probably have a lot going for you in the looks department. I’m a confident man, no doubt about that. But my looks aren’t something which i can change, unless i go for plastic surgery (which I obviously would never do). And even if I could, I would NEVER change any aspect of myself just to please some stupid species which doesn’t have anything to do with me anymore.I’ve been sort asked out once but hit on pretty aggressive the other times. Even when I was very shy there was a few girls attracted to me. I’m overweight and have been most of my life. With some women with an issue with others weren’t. I don’t think I have the good looks, in fact looks don’t have much do it with it.
If you were confident you wouldn’t feel you don’t look good enough. It’s a numbers game, nothing more.
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
@CrazyCanuck
I’m confident in whatever I do, so my looks become irrelevant here. I mean….I’m confident in aspects on which I have control. For example, I’m a really good public speaker, and I’ve often spoken to audiences of up to 100. I’m also well respected amongst my peers and colleagues for my skills. But ‘looks’ are something which I have no control over. And its not really about ‘confidence’, because I don’t make it obvious to anyone that I don’t feel good about my looks. I don’t understand why all this should matter, because I’ve gotten used to life without a woman, and actually beginning to like it this way. I have realized that my happiness need not be dependent on the presence of a woman in my life. I have a lovely mom who loves me a lot and a sweet younger brother. I also have a few good male friends. Things are going reasonably well on the career front too. So the women can just go f~~~ themselves, I don’t need them.
@ funkyzoom for what it’s worth. Clearly your list of achievements suggests that you are a self serving prick with standards. If my saying that offends or bothers you then you have some validation issues because you don’t know me and you really shouldn’t care. While you believe your achievements are acts of self-determination and responsibility women view them as walls of a prison. Learn to be a mystery, women are not entitled to know anything about you and you choose what you want them to know and when. Women are aroused by their own fantasies that’s why they read romance novels instead of pictorial porn. Their imagination makes them wet. Women don’t like nice guys because it makes it more difficult for them to deny being a s~~~ heel. They need someone to blame for being sub-human and nice responsible guys are too hard to tag. Learn the difference between attraction appetite and intimacy and never offer intimacy until your appetite is satisfied. Bottom line if they know too much about you it f~~~s up their fantasies, learn to shut the f~~~ up, less said the better.
I told this story once before on another board but I’ll offer it again here.
I went into a woman’s clothing store and proceeded to look through the racks while scoping out the women that worked there. When one of them asked to help me I told her I was shopping for my wife, I asked to be served by another woman that I found more attractive by stating that she was built like my wife. I then asked the woman if she would be willing to try on some outfits so I could see what they looked like. I chose the most expensive clothes that this woman obviously couldn’t afford. Because she thought I was married I was able to exchange comments like; “that top would really look great on my wife” or “that dress really makes the legs look long”. I call it passive arousal and I carried on for two hours. I bought a sweater that the saleswoman liked and had a female friend return it a few days later. I went back to the store and asked the saleswoman if the sweater had been returned. I acted p~~~ed off and said that my fiance didn’t like it and that I had enough of her and was calling off the wedding.
If you have the b~~~~ to try this don’t be surprised if you get asked out on a date and don’t be offended if you don’t. There’s lots of other stores!
Learn to hack hypergamy and play with women instead of possessing them. Just an opinion!
Go Your Own Way!
@john Galt
I didn’t get offended by what you said, because the first part of your post doesn’t really apply to me. Whatever ‘achievements’ I have mentioned while starting this thread (which I don’t even consider achievements, because I still have a LONG way to go), are just for the information of people on those forum. I never go around ‘projecting’ myself as an achiever, because my achievements are certainly not something to talk home about. And I’m known to be a really humble and down to earth person who is friendly with everyone, regardless of their social status. Believe it or not, I get chatty and friendly even with waiters and security guards very soon, and they are often surprised that I treat them as equals. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not at all suggesting that being a waiter or a security is a ‘lower’ job than what I’m doing, because I know the hardships involved (I myself worked as a pizza delivery guy for 1 year after graduating, since I couldn’t find a job in my field). I’m just trying to convey that I don’t think highly of my achievements at all, because they’re not really ‘achievements’.Coming back to the point, I’m not foolish enough to talk about my so called ‘achievements’ upfront with women. At the same time, i wouldn’t lie about this if the matter just came up during casual conversations. Having said this, it doesn’t bother me if women like ‘nice guys’ or not. I’m not a ‘nice guy’, and at the same time, I’m not a complete ‘badass’ either. I tread the middle path. I don’t treat women badly (like the ‘bad guys’), nor do I place them on a pedestal (like the ‘nice guys’). I just treat them equally as long as they’re treating me well.
Finally, I have made up my mind, and its highly unlikely that I would ever consider women as romantic partners in my life again. Instead of wasting my time and energy in pursuing women, which may not even give me returns (because even if I put in my best efforts, it needs her approval too), I’d rather focus on doing something productive where the returns I get are directly proportional to ONLY my own efforts. And yeah, I wouldn’t want to CHANGE myself or lose my individuality according to the whims and fancies of women, because I’m not committing any crime. If women don’t want me the way I am, then its their loss, not mine. I don’t want to pretend to be someone I’m not.
Awesome brother …………live it the way you see it. It’s your own way!
Hey kid (In the Han to Luke way, I’m 42)
You are in the right place.
Let point out a few things. I hope it helps or gives you some awareness.
Never be ashamed of anything. There is no shame in a one night stand. Women see you as a walking ATM. Treat them in a similar fashion. Nor is there shame in hookers/strippers/massage parlors/lingerie bars. They’re all honest about their price yet will be denigrated by other women who will milk you for expensive dates knowing they will give you nothing in return.
Be proud of your education and the dedication to your exercise. Never compromise your convictions.
Never respect women, or anyone for that matter. Respect has to be earned.
Never, ever under no circumstances be put in the friend zone. Women friends are useless. Can they help you move furniture or chainsaw a tree? You are a shoulder to cry one after said douche pounds them in the ass in the back seat of his ’92 Mustang. Repeat: Do not be in a friend zone.
Never let women or a relationship with said women validate your worth as a person. Think of what they’ve done and what they’re capable of. It’s approval you shouldn’t want.
There is nothing wrong with standards. However, ours are at least realistic. Mine? Don’t be a land whale and stay off your phone. But that’s a tll order. Women’s? Peruse any dating site for a Santa Clause long list of impossible standards.
You can live your entire life happily without women. Get past what you’ve been lied about your whole life and what Hollywood/the media says. The need for sex is biological drive to procreate. Nothing more. It can be controlled and/or satiated. Trust me, the hoops you’re going to have to jump through are not worth the orgasm.
Spend your money on what you like. I’ve been doing this a lot lately and I’ve taken a liking to it.
We all get lonely. When you do, go to the grocery store and listen to couples fight about how the bags should be put in the car. Go to Target or the Mall and see the guys walking around with tombstones in their eyes as they get dragged to every fru fru store in the place. Nope, you don’t get to look at sporting goods or power tools. Sound like fun? And take no heed of the “You’ll die alone” shaming. That is total female projection, it is their greatest. You can’t threaten a man with peace and quiet.
*start sarcasm*
Besides, you’re going about getting girls all wrong:
1. Get tattoos all over both arms.
2. Watch UFC/MMA and talk about how you train for it.
3. Where Affliction shirts.
4. Have a criminal record. Served time? Even better!
5. DUI’s are a plus.
6. Have no humility or humbleness. Talk about how great you are.
7. Waste money on certain clothes, shoes, haircuts, cars, etc. You ever heard “be yourself”? That’s bulls~~~.
8. Have the BWH. Big Weed Hookup. Women love free drugs. Coke is better. I’ve seen the hottest females f~~~ the gimpiest losers for Coke.
9. Be a PUA which is just supplicating them.*end sarcasm*
Not sure how long you’ve been MGTOW or in the manoshpere, but if you don’t know about The Wall™, look it up. When women hit it, the gravy train is over. These women who friend zone you are going to think your just great in 5 years when you’re making assloads of cash and they have two thuglets from unemployed losers. Then you can tell them to go f~~~ themselves while you get girls 5 and even 10 years younger. They love money and will whore themselves for it. Spend as little as possible, nail them, never call again, the end. You seem like a good guy and if you think that’s harsh think about how you’ve treated and how other men have been treated and what is yet to come. Peruse the internet for videos and articles. Your blood will boil. Guaranteed.
They’re getting desperate. The ‘man up’ and ‘where have all the good men gone’ articles are becoming rampant. Seems now, they’re trying to make nicey nice to get us back to the plantation and it’s not going to work.
It’s safe to say you will never be shamed or insulted on a MGTOW site. You’re amongst friends.
Best of luck.
Fuck this planet.I really appreciate your long and detailed post. I’m not saying its ‘shameful’ to indulge in casual sex with hookers or friends with benefits. But there are actually TWO reasons why I would NEVER EVER have sex outside of a committed relationship or marriage:-
1) I have always believed that one of the main reasons why humans are considered more intelligent than animals, is their ability to CONTROL various aspects of their life (which includes sex as well). So if I can’t control my sexual urges, then I’d be no better than an animal in terms of intelligence or evolution. Besides, when someone doesn’t have a partner for sex, their hand is always available to satisfy their urges. I personally don’t give top priority to sex as most people do, and I really don’t feel I’m missing out on anything if I never have sex in my life. For me, sex would be just a small part of life, but I can never judge the fulfillment of my life based on my sexual activities.
2) I’m actually demisexual. So even if I wanted to, I still would never be able to have sex if I wasn’t emotionally attached to the other person.
You yourself have mentioned that sex can be controlled. That’s what I’m doing. Also, being a demisexual is just the icing on the cake because its making my job of controlling sex MUCH easier.
But you’ve provided some REALLY great inputs, and I really appreciate that! Thanks a lot! And yeah, I’ll be looking up ‘The Wall’ very soon!I really appreciate your long and detailed post.
Sure thing. Hope it’s helpful.
2) I’m actually demisexual. So even if I wanted to, I still would never be able to have sex if I wasn’t emotionally attached to the other person.
We’re kind of alike in that way. I’d be lying if I said that it wouldn’t be nice to have a girlfriend like that. I thought I found someone like that after my divorce. I was wrong. She had to “get her life together”. Unfortunately, I have to live in reality. As a grizzled old bastard, my opinion that in these modern times that’s pretty much dead.
“Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.”
But you’ve provided some REALLY great inputs, and I really appreciate that! Thanks a lot! And yeah, I’ll be looking up ‘The Wall’ very soon!
Good. Don’t forget to look up ‘Where have all the good men gone’, ‘Peter Pan Men’, and the multitude of articles of women complaining about where men are and what they should do. Be sure to check out ‘dating coach’ channels on YouTube (I’ve been banned from 3 of them). Also on YouTube, many dips~~~s make videos about what a girl wants. Watch Kezia Nobel or that pudgy red head ‘dating coach’ or Deanna Lorraine and try not to puke on your keyboard. The one that grinds my gears was this stupid bitch who thinks a guy should follow her around with the mall with her all day but then says she gets bored when he looks at hockey equipment. That hit a personal nerve.
be cool
Fuck this planet.@john Galt Terrific to see you here. Thanks for chiming in.
And great story about the department store!If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.@Cap
Sure thing. Hope it’s helpful.
Helpful? That will probably kick off our “advice” section. Not sure how we will present it yet, but in a sea of endless & terrible “advice” articles from women, we will be shoving some male advice right back in their face.
LOL-ed at “don’t be a land whale and stay off your phone”.
That’s a keeper, and easily number one.
Cheers, and thanks for making the effort to help the guy out. Noticed and appreciated.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Helpful? That will probably kick off our “advice” section.
That’s a great idea. The more members, the more experience, the more advice.
but in a sea of endless & terrible “advice” articles from women, we will be shoving some male advice right back in their face.
Sea is right. Wouldn’t you agree that it’s more “Do this for access to my pussy” rather than advice? Their all sneaky and have secret motives.
LOL-ed at “don’t be a land whale and stay off your phone”.
That’s a keeper, and easily number one.What’s sad is that it’s a tall order these days.
Cheers, and thanks for making the effort to help the guy out. Noticed and appreciated.
Like I said, if it saves just one guy heartache, aggravation and money it was worth it.
Fuck this planet.@funkyzoom,
Hello Brother,
Your story sounds very similar to many I’ve witnessed, often from very close by. Stories like this are abundant nowadays, and concern not only guys who have limited experience from women all together. Many guys are treated like you are in a relationship. Many are treated like you in a marriage. In the work place. In the bar. In the city, where ever you go. Perhaps the problem is women, men, society, who knows.
However, as I’ve personally experienced, although true beauty is hardly ever witnessed in behavior of people, the exceptions are nowadays so rare and magnificient that they tend to carry meaning. If you do not feel satisfied in the company of girls, women, seek for camaraderie of men. Do things you are designed for, hunt, fish, join the armed forces; nature will – I guarantee this – it will reward you. Given that you put in the effort. Many men have understood this and live for it. Find these men, they will treat you with respect and teach you the skills. Believe me, money and status don’t mean s~~~ nowadays. I’ve been fishing with CEO’s and plumbers, everyone is respected all the same. If you can pay your bills, you’re man enough. I suggest you once go to a place where you are outside the cell networks, walk there carrying half your food and your fishing rod. If you treat nature with humility and respect, it will burn your skin, bite you in the ass, shovel s~~~ in your face and sometimes provide you with a moment of true beauty. Every man should deserve that!
The real challenge is returning to the city. Try to explain this to 99% of people and they laugh at you and call you a fool. Hill-billy, whatnot. They just are at the sushi joint and were having mocha lattes and were listening to the newest garbage music and went to see the latest romantic comedy.
But you know better my friend.I feel compelled to say something, I read halfway through this so I don’t know how relevant this is any more with the current train in the conversation. But I want to say something, and what I want to say is this. Put yourself above women. Always! Put your own desires over women and if your desire is the woman, push it aside. You do your own thing, you go wherever you want, you eat whatever you want, you enjoy life, you go and see your friends, you do your hobbies and you care not what she thinks of you. If you do this more to women you like, chances are she’ll find you more interesting. Disregard the fact she has a pussy. Her pussy is a means to manipulate you and control you and when she wins you, she’ll lose interest. I guarantee it. So you say all women you like do not like you back? Probably, it’s their pussy manipulating you to jump when she says “jump”. Instinctively do the opposite a woman tells you unless you genuinely want to do it FOR YOURSELF, and not to impress her for the prize of her pussy. Because that’s what they want.
She cracks a joke you find funny, you laugh, because she brought you humour. She doesn’t contribute anything to the conversation, you stare her dead in the eye and expect her to contribute as much to the conversation as you provided, besides, you made the effort to go and start the conversation in the first place. She expects you to buy a drink for her, you say, “why? what can you give me in return?”. If she’s boring and uninteresting and has relied on her looks for so long, you either leave her company to find fun for yourself. If she’s giving you her time and making an effort, you notice and reward her for it. If she mistreats you or shows second-class behaviour, you do not tolerate it and tell her directly, same as you would to a guy (of course never strike her like you would a guy, women are the weaker gender but we’re all good people here).
The only people that matter in your life are friends, family and loved ones. They are the only people that will ever give half a crap about you. what could you care for a woman you’ve just met? If a woman is your friend, you make sure she is safe and has fun around you, that is your duty as a friend. The moment you start trying to get her pussy is the moment she’ll phase you out, just like a beggar asking for money. Look after your friends, judge everyone you meet at face value. Disregard them as human beings if they are not the sort of person you want to get to know or make no effort for you. A lot of women are like cats, fickle. Once the ball of string is in their control, they lose interest. Dangle your affections out of reach, they want more. These are the women to stay clear of, the ones you want are women that know they want to be around you and are ready to share their affections with you unhaboured and undemanding. Until you meet a woman like that, be free from the shackles of pussy manipulation.
Welcome to the site btw! I’m new here too 🙂 It’s nice to meet other guys feeling the same way.
Hey @scott and Murve Welcome to both of you. Likewise.
Murve said:
Put yourself above women. Always. Disgregard she has a pussy.
I’ve found that treating women as if they don’t have a vagina has one of two effects:
1. She doesn’t know what to make of it (and you). The more attractive she is , the more it f~~~s with her mind.
(“why isn’t he trying to f~~~ me? Does he not think I’m hot? OMG what’s wrong with me!) Which often leads to sex.2. She hates your f~~~ing guts because you are talking to her like a functioning thinking human being instead of a life-size fleshlight. This is the most troubling scenario. You’re just normal, chatting, totally unaffected by her looks or charms … if not totally obtuse, which is usually followed by “OMG WHAT ARE YOU GAAAAAYYYYYYYY?”
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.One thing above all else: STOP LOOKING FOR APPROVAL.
Looking for approval from others is simply giving your power away for nothing.<cite>@crazycanuck said:</cite>
It’s because you give some desperate vibes.Definitely. It’s related to that.
<cite>@mgtow.com said:</cite>
Just because Women believe their “rejection” should be devastating and hurtful doesn’t mean you should. Young guys are deliberately programmed by every facet of media and culture as if women is some kind of “prize” and you’re “missing out” if you don’t shackle yourself to some chick.
Wisdom of the Ages
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