Looking for political advice, switched polotical views recentley.

[CasualGuy227Participant 170]

Hey guys looking for some advice about something that is pretty semi important in a way with my own internal political beliefs right now and as a side note im talking mostly in the frame of UK based politics.

I will happily and openly admit when i was mostly younger and not too sure about politics i was mostly a left wing voter for the most part thinking originally that the left wing aka labour, liberal democrats and the other left wing parties in the UK was for the not so fortunate and the little guys here in the good old UK but over the recent months instead of becoming more center left has i have considered my self to mostly be i have noticed im actually began agreeing with a lot of the main points with the more conservative pro capitalist kinda view points a lot of them have.

That being said i have noticed when i tend to agree more with conservative/ right wing moderate based views im in a sense in directly shunned even though i have never forced or tried to convince any one else of my new found beliefs.

People seem to take a some what negative reaction when i say i believe in more conservative views in the recent months.

Is this pretty normal in today’s political sphere and is it really that wrong for holding moderate center right beliefs in a political view point ??

Thanks casual guy

[HermitParticipant]

I don’t know for a fact, but I’m sure politics over there are very much like politics here in the U.S. It depends on who you are talking to as to whether or not your beliefs are right or wrong. It’s not terribly difficult to figure out who’s left and who’s right after listening to someone only briefly. It also isn’t hard to learn that you will not change anyone’s mind to your way of thinking.

It’s a big waste of time to talk politics with someone who has an opposing view. You believe what you want to believe and keep it to yourself unless you’re sure the people within hearing distance believe the same way.

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[The_Mad_PirateParticipant 1278]

No, not it’s not.
If you follow the “political evolution” of people like Clint Benjamin a.k.a. Sargon of Akkad, you will see what I mean.
The current postmodernist “intersectional progressive” left a.k.a the “New” Left , is regressive is it’s views ( and I mean Dark Ages regressive ). The current definition of Libertarian Conservatism ( which is different from Traditional Conservatism ) is “the political theory that wants to preserve and conserve the principles, although not the morality, of Classical Liberalism”. So in the end, current libertarian coservatism ( i.e. UKIP ) is nothing but the 21th Century version of Classical Liberalism.

If you want to learn more about it, my suggestion would be for you to read Karl Popper’s “The Open Society and It’s Enemies”, Frederick Hayek’s “Road to Serfdom” and Milton Friedman’s “Free to Choose”. If you are more a radio guys, my suggestion would be to listen to Nigel Farage show in LBC.

"We didn't start the fire. It was always burning. Since the world's been turning" "A world that vilifies men only breeds a generation of men that feel no empathy towards women" “In a woman’s mind , there is really no such thing as a ‘we’. In her eyes, earth allways revolves around her, not the other way around. So thinking that your needs , aspirations or desires are valid enough to be persued, or even that you are entitled achive such goals, is like asking your boss for a pay rise in your very first day at the job.”

[TaxGuyParticipant]

There’s an old saying: If don’t vote to the left when you’re young then you have no heart. And if you don’t vote to the right when you’re older you have no brains.

Maybe you’re just ahead of your times.

Order the good wine

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

CasualGuy227 wrote:

Is this pretty normal in today’s political sphere and is it really that wrong for holding moderate center right beliefs in a political view point ??

Your “moderate center right” views are my generation’s socialist ideology. Everything keeps moving LEFT [see Hegelian Dialectic], over time.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[CasualGuy227Participant 170]

I didnt think of that much from that view point.

that has given me something to consider

[Anonymous 1]

Euphemisms. Revenue is simply the approved word for tax. Gun safety is really gun control.
Communist…socialist…liberal…”progressive”…where’s the progress?
Redistribution of wealth is taking from earners and giving it to the unearners (punishment for success and effort).

That aside…
The more dependent we can make you on government (for health care, energy, transportation, security) the bigger the government needs to be. The bigger the government, the more government leadership positions there needs to be. When everything unravels (like crime), you can’t fix it yourself (because the government has taken away your ability), you must fund more government security via higher taxes. The fix to everything is more government.

Which party wants to have smaller government? Which party wants to lower taxes? Which party wants to cut spending? Which party wants to preserve borders, language, and culture? Which party wants to limit handouts? Which party supports more personal independence and personal responsibility?

Conversely, which party is full of this attitude:
Myself (politician) first.
My party second.
My mob constituents third.
My country last.

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

Why I don’t vote
I don’t vote. I have never taken part in an election and I never will. To many, the idea that someone who actually cares about what is happening in the world would refuse to vote seems incredible. The common sense of the democratic state tells us that voting is the way that we can change things and that those who don’t vote are apathetic. It has even been said that those who do not vote shouldn’t complain.

But common sense often hides a great many unquestioned assumptions. This is certainly true with regard to the commonplaces about democracy and voting. I hope that by explaining why I don’t vote, I will expose some of these assumptions and raise a few questions.

If my refusal to vote sprang from apathy, obviously I wouldn’t take the time to write this. In fact my refusal to vote stems from a desire to live in a certain way, a way that requires a radical change in the social structure of our lives and the world. As far as possible, I try to confront the world in which we live in terms of these desires, acting toward their realization.

Put briefly, I want to live in a world in which I can be the creator of my life, acting in free association with others with whom I feel some kinship and whose presence I enjoy in order to make our lives together on our own terms. The existing social order consists of a global network of institutions that stands in the way of the realization of this desire. This network includes economic institutions, not just the corporations as such, but also the entire system of economic exchange, private and state property, and wage labor – the institutions of capitalism. It also includes government, law, the police, the military and the social bureaucracy – the institutions of the state. These institutions define the conditions of our social life, forcing us into roles that uphold and reproduce the institutional order. My desire to create my life on my own terms places me in rebellion against these institutions. If I find others with a similar desire and we join together in collective struggle for its realization, that is potentially revolutionary.

In order for the ruling institutions to exist at all, they have to take away our capacity to create our lives for ourselves. They do so precisely by directing our energy into activity that reproduces the institutions, and selling some of the product of this activity back to us. This theft of our life’s energy means that the social order and those who hold power in it are objectively our enemies, because they have made themselves our masters. This is why class struggle is an inevitable part of this social order. But subjectively, we become the enemies of this society when we decide to take our lives back as our own and begin to act on our decision.

Having made this decision, what would voting mean to me? First of all, let’s consider the kinds of choices that appear on the ballot. All of these choices can be reduced to two questions: 1) who do we want to rule us? and 2) with what rules do we want to be ruled? These questions themselves already assume that we should not or cannot be the creators of our own lives, that we should give our ability to decide and act over to others who will determine the conditions of our lives (or uphold those long since determined by the global social order) on the basis of pre-existing rules. But a ballot doesn’t even present these two questions in an open way that allows the voter to choose freely. This would be impossible since election officials couldn’t possibly manage to go through a series of essays in which people described what they wanted even within the limited framework of these questions. So instead we are given a few candidates to choose between for the various elected offices – individuals who want to exercise power over other people, whether for “the common good” or out of crass self-interest –and ballot measures on which to vote yes or no. The candidates and ballot measures are presented to us by professional politicians, people who have the time and money to determine the questions that they are willing to let us vote on. None of this will ever call the ruling order into question, since the electoral process itself assumes the necessity of this order.

So voting is nothing more than choosing which of the masters among the few on the ballot that the voter would prefer to be ruled by and deciding which of the potential rules presented on the ballot for managing this master/slave relationship s/he would like to see them use. Since the democratic process is based on majority rule (with a few notable exceptions, such as the use of the electoral college to choose the president), one’s individual “choices” will not, in fact, determine what sort of servitude s/he will experience. Instead, the “choices” of the majority (as determined by election officials) will determine this for everyone.

In short, voting is not taking action, nor is it taking responsibility for one’s life. It is the very opposite of this. When people vote, they are saying that they accept the idea that others should determine the conditions of their life and their world. They are saying that others should determine the limits of the choices that they make, preferably simplifying these choices into mere either/or decisions, quickly dealt with by a simple momentary gesture. They are saying that they would leave the responsibility of taking decisive action to others. In other words, those who vote are saying that they are content to leave their lives in the hands of others, to refuse the responsibility of creating the life they desire, to avoid the task of finding ways to directly make decisions and take action with others of their choosing that could lead to a real transformation of social reality. So every voter would do well to ask themselves if this is what they mean to say.

I want to make my life my own. I want to find others with whom to create ways to freely act together to directly determine the conditions of our lives on our own terms, without rulers or institutional structures defining our activity. In other words, I want to live in a world without masters or slaves. Therefore, I do not vote. Such desires could never fit in a ballot box. Instead I do my best to create my life in revolt against the ruling order. I talk with others around me about our lives and about what is happening in the world in order to find a few accomplices in the crime called freedom. And I act, alone when necessary and with others when possible, towards the realization of the life and world I desire and against the ruling order and the misery it imposes on life everywhere.

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[MonkParticipant 16996]

“If voting changed anything, they wouldn’t let us do it”. Mark Twain.

Whoever you vote for, the government gets in. Same s~~~, different day. All they do is change the packaging.

[743 roadmasterParticipant]

Liberal is the emotional part of politics. Conservative is the thinking logical part. It is easy to see in the news media how it is framed as “feelings” about an issue. Fewer go into the lets put the feeling aside and think about this like adults.

mgtow is its own worst enemy- https://www.campusreform.org/

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

True liberty is to scary for most people. They never had to leave every springtime with nothing in their pockets but faith and hope and scrape up what they needed from their environment like I did for almost 20 years..

I still refuse any public assistance and suffering because of it..

Blessed I am to be poor in the spirit of my father in heaven.

going back home every winter and studying during the winter.
Knowing I would leave with nothing but faith the next spring again..

My personal identity stolen and moved into some jackass judges jurisdiction.
He ruined my credit and ability to borrow my way out of this financial hell hole.

Not that I wanted to acquire debt, but the options most have, I still do not have..

I at least worked through my rage and have only three emotions worthy of showing.

Love, happiness and the sorrow that comes from knowing what most are to scared to find for themselves..

How much of a long suffering journey it takes to become the Man with the most true liberty on the planet.

The man who was making his own life decisions at four years old and I have not stopped yet..

When the authorities catch up with me and accuse me of stealing my fathers identity I am gonna call em out for stealing my own and say the dirty hands doctrine should apply..

Pot calling the kettle black and by that time I hope to have a sizable fund for legal expenses..

If all man are created equal I have created my God and I will create my own life on my own terms not terms already provided in some very LIMITED CHOICES..

IP B,L&R ITNOT FSAHS

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[Anonymous 12]

I was kind of Left wing growing up but it didn’t take me long to realize that as a white straight man that Left wing politics hated me and wanted me to die. I also questioned most of what it stood for.

Right wing is the only thing that makes sense.

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