Looking for info on a perpetual motion generator or free heat generator.

[skiomanParticipant 62]

This may seem like a dead end topic. From what I understand, online, there are many people who have supposedly built free energy machines and they have either disappeared or have been a fraud.

Tesla supposedly created a perpetual motion generator that worked but the plans are suppressed. Im looking for someone who knows about this technology that has actually used it and have had success. Also, I am looking for some type of free heater for indoors to become more self sufficient.

I would also be willing to work with a partner on this (Illionois) to get this kicked off, if necessary. I would like to build and sell this machines to help others. Thanks fellow MGTOW.

[BlacqueJacqueShellacqueParticipant 6890]

Skioman, look into a company from Newfoundland in Canada. It is called Cansolair. Aluminum cans are primed, painted black, and lined in rows under a polycarbonate sheet. The sun heats the cans and a small dryer fan is used to circulate the air. Peace.

[Anonymous 42]

I looked into “free heat” extensively!
Geo-thermal heat pump is extremely efficient over conventional electric heat. It works on the principal of compression and expansion, one cubic inch of 50 deg. air compressed into 1/2 cubic inch doubles the temperature to 100 deg., and visa versa, 1 cubic inch of compressed air released into 2 cubic inches of space will drop from 50 deg. to 25 deg. You take the ground temperature of 58 deg. f., and heat it to 68 deg. f. a difference of only 10 deg. whereas conventional must heat up from whatever the ambient outside temperature is, be it 58deg. or -25 deg, with the differential being 93 deg. instead of only 10 deg. a difference of 83 deg… Works in reverse too as an air conditioner, it pumps the heat side into the cool ground lowering the tempature to 58 deg. as a heat sink, thereby making it cool using 58deg. as the starting point, instead of using the sweltering 110 deg. hot summer air as the starting point.

There’s also diesel electric where you use the heat of the diesel engine’s cooling system, combined with a heat pump. It’s an efficient way of burning fuel oil, not only do you get the heat, you’re also using the “expansion” to create electricity to drive a heatpump.

I decided to make a hot water rocket stove (prototype). It burns at about 85% efficient, not the conventional wood burning of only about 45% efficient. Plus I live in an abandoned forest where trees drop at will tearing down the power lines and blocking the road. Being proactive in forest management has prevented some of these trees from doing serious damage and personal injury. If you have an endless supply of fuel as I do, I would suggest a downdraft form of wood burning boiler.

[AttonParticipant]

Want my advice get a solar panel or a Fresnel lens, more power more fun and a better time.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[hellraiderParticipant 2837]

It does not exist, the laws of thermodynamics say this kind of machines is impossible.

[skiomanParticipant 62]

Thanks for all your input men. I think I’ll look more into the geothermal idea

[RennieParticipant]

hellraider wrote:

It does not exist, the laws of thermodynamics say this kind of machines is impossible.

Was going to say the same thing. But every time I’ve tried to point that out to people, they don’t listen and we get stuck in an endless debate.

[QuietlyquietlyParticipant 728]

Rennie wrote:

hellraider wrote:

It does not exist, the laws of thermodynamics say this kind of machines is impossible.

Was going to say the same thing. But every time I’ve tried to point that out to people, they don’t listen and we get stuck in an endless debate.

Well that depends on your starting assumptions. If you believe that there are only physical particles that have particular energetic states, and entropy is the major driving factor for energetic reactions, then sure, “free” energy is not viable, since there will always be heat loss, and less-than-100% efficiency in converting energy to movement.

But if you look at the sun, and see that it is driven by electromagnetic currents, and the Earth is also driven by the sun’s electromagnetic currents, and that it is possible to utilize these currents to drive machines that would look like they run without additional power sources. They still conform to the laws of Thermodynamics, though. Basically this is what Tesla was doing – using the Earth’s natural electrical sources to run machines.

There is a company in the US that do experimental electrical chargers http://quantamagnetics.com/ that do not make claims about particular efficiencies, but are using interesting timing effects to increase power output.

There are some people that believe that the Egyptian pyramids were giant electrical conductors, being made of granite, clad with limestone (capacitance between differently charged minerals), gold-capped, with connection to the groundwater (potential difference between heights and states), and other potentially conducting apparatus. Hieroglyphs have been found depicting something akin to a Leydon jar, and possibly even lighting equipment.

Russian experiments with pyramids proved some weird effects take place in them, Floyd Sweet used pyramidal capacitance plates over transformers to increase output, and I heard of a guy who made copper pyramids joined together and ran a small lightbulb off them.

It’s not free energy, it’s just making use of ambient electrical effects.

If we really get into it, it’s possible to run a small lightbulb off a lemon, potato, or by connecting rings of living trees (the inside and outside of each tree ring in a living tree are charged oppositely, making it a natural capacitor, albeit quite weak).

There are multiple ways of making things run, and they don’t contradict the laws of thermodynamics, but appear to be “free energy” if you don’t understand the electrical logic behind the process.

[RennieParticipant]

Quietlyquietly wrote:

Rennie wrote:

hellraider wrote:

It does not exist, the laws of thermodynamics say this kind of machines is impossible.

Was going to say the same thing. But every time I’ve tried to point that out to people, they don’t listen and we get stuck in an endless debate.

Well that depends on your starting assumptions. If you believe that there are only physical particles that have particular energetic states, and entropy is the major driving factor for energetic reactions, then sure, “free” energy is not viable, since there will always be heat loss, and less-than-100% efficiency in converting energy to movement.

But if you look at the sun, and see that it is driven by electromagnetic currents, and the Earth is also driven by the sun’s electromagnetic currents, and that it is possible to utilize these currents to drive machines that would look like they run without additional power sources. They still conform to the laws of Thermodynamics, though. Basically this is what Tesla was doing – using the Earth’s natural electrical sources to run machines.

There is a company in the US that do experimental electrical chargers http://quantamagnetics.com/ that do not make claims about particular efficiencies, but are using interesting timing effects to increase power output.

There are some people that believe that the Egyptian pyramids were giant electrical conductors, being made of granite, clad with limestone (capacitance between differently charged minerals), gold-capped, with connection to the groundwater (potential difference between heights and states), and other potentially conducting apparatus. Hieroglyphs have been found depicting something akin to a Leydon jar, and possibly even lighting equipment.

Russian experiments with pyramids proved some weird effects take place in them, Floyd Sweet used pyramidal capacitance plates over transformers to increase output, and I heard of a guy who made copper pyramids joined together and ran a small lightbulb off them.

It’s not free energy, it’s just making use of ambient electrical effects.

If we really get into it, it’s possible to run a small lightbulb off a lemon, potato, or by connecting rings of living trees (the inside and outside of each tree ring in a living tree are charged oppositely, making it a natural capacitor, albeit quite weak).

There are multiple ways of making things run, and they don’t contradict the laws of thermodynamics, but appear to be “free energy” if you don’t understand the electrical logic behind the process.

I meant the kind with the perpetual motion machines like magnet motors and giant Ferris wheels with weights on them.

[QuietlyquietlyParticipant 728]

Rennie wrote:

I meant the kind with the perpetual motion machines like magnet motors and giant Ferris wheels with weights on them.

Look at the link, that’s what they are doing, but commercially.

[RennieParticipant]

Quietlyquietly wrote:

Look at the link, that’s what they are doing, but commercially.

Produce a working design, demonstrate, sell it, make trillions of dollars of it. Then you have my word I will become a believer in it.

[QuietlyquietlyParticipant 728]

It is interesting that “free energy” exists. A fairly recent experiment with hydrophilic surfaces in water showed that a boundary layer is created around the hydrophilic surface. This boundary layer is negatively charged, and can be shown to exhibit a pH increase. If the hydrophilic surface is a tube, there exists a charge separation caused by the negatively charged boundary layer next to the surface of the tube, and a slightly positively charged central channel. This central channel moves all on its own! It explains capillary action in plants, and possibly also blood-capillary action in humans (it is well known that the heart does not have the strength to pump blood through all our tiny capillaries).

Skip to 30mins00s to see the tube flow.

How to capture this free-flow of water is not yet discussed, but the fact is, it exists.

[Mister Man SmithParticipant 285]

The Mythbusters did an episode about these machines, the truth is, perpetual motion machines only work on paper.

The best you can hope for is something like “Free Electric” that Manoj Bhargava is building, NOT a new concept on the slightest, but his machine seems to be aimed for max efficiency, promising “24 hours of electricity for ever hour that you pedal.”

More in here: https://youtu.be/vCn28O_mpRo?t=1m36s

The simple solutions are often the best, and if you use a mountain bike gear system you can pedal along with no sweat while you generate your energy, good exercise too.

mistermansmithmgtow.blogspot.com

[CatsPawParticipant 423]

Ok, Ill drop my 2 cents, thou Im not an expert so take with a grain of salt.

The main problem for perpetual whatever is that we have a constant force (gravity) that will affect whatever we have going.
In other words, to offset gravity, we need another force actuating constantly on the object in question.
This by definition kills the idea of “free” energy, as free implies no energy is inputted to generate that constant movement/heat/energy.

So, first of all, its not “free”, its using something that we perceive as free to generate electricity that we could sell.

In this regard, a Solar panel is free energy.

We have two ways to tackle the problem:

-Create as efficient of a conversion as possible (loosing minimal energy in the process).
-Use a vastly abundant energy source (the sun for solar as an example) to offset the energy lost in the conversion.

Bare in mind that so far the conversion will always result in energy being LOST, never gained.

So, perpetual motion can be archived but in a 0 gravity environment (and even there its not actually true, but for practical reasons we can say it is).

The interesting thing is that Dark matter/Energy might be an answer to infinite energy, but its all speculation as of now.

[Ash NrahkParticipant 199]

Only “free” energy I ever had work for me was an array of oldschool gpu bitcoin miners. Heated the whole house alone and the coins more than covered the power use. Not that power was an issue cos solar panels 🙂

Wish my setup had been that big.

[RennieParticipant]

[IAmManParticipant 228]

From a time efficiency standpoint I say that it’s not worth the effort to attempt to discover a new law that would enable a conventional free energy device to work. However… If that’s your passion in life then power to Ya. Otherwise I recommend researching devices that harvest energy. I still consider it “free energy” since after the initial capital it should be free.
we already see this sort of thing with renewable energy generators. The problem is they aren’t very efficient. As has been pointed out, tesla apparently was able to harness charged particles from the sun and charged a capacitor… That was oversimplifying it but I think that’s the gist. I think the power generated was proportional to suface area of the collector. I’ve consulted an electrical engineer before who seems sane and agreed the idea should work in theory.

[Dr. SableParticipant 1064]

Free energy/power , no such thing. However Low tech means of getting energy do exist.
Two examples, 1/ earth batteries and 2 petrol fumes combustion. Both have their own overheads/costs.

Using fuel vapor only cuts down on fuel use by about 80% and is good for small engines or
specifically designed induction systems. Designed systems were killed of by oil companies
50 or 60 years ago. Mainly used in applications like tractors and farming machinery where
engine speeds were low.

Now earth batteries is something I have seen in action and simple to organize/make. Copper piping,
zinc/galvanized rods and pipes and copper wire. I’ve seen a 150volt array working.
In the old day’s before electricity telegraph was powered entirely by earth batteries. Check it out.

Zero Tolerance

[Dr. SableParticipant 1064]

Mister Man Smith wrote:

The Mythbusters did an episode about these machines,

Ah yes, the ghost busters. While I did like their show I stopped watching them after they supposedly
debunked the HHO priciples. It was an instant ” f~~~ you, you lying bastards” from me.
Every thing they did in that show about HHO topic was twisted beyond reason. F~~~ the lying c~~~s.

Zero Tolerance

[IAmManParticipant 228]

The myth busters did some very interesting experiments. However, I think they definitely lied on many occasions. Wish I had more time to piece together a common thread woven by their lies to find an agenda.

[Author]

Posts