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Hi guys.
I just was asked by @johndoe to star a new thread about this matter. I thought it was a good idea, so here I am.
I said this in another thread but for people who don´t know: I was born in 1990.
The idea of this thread is to share experiences about our Jobs or carreers, places where, I think, we no longer are respected as individuals. As men. Wathever people tell you, this is wrong. It should not be like this and it must change, just like the world of relationships with women.This is my experience:
I am an Ilustrator and a writer. I make drawings and write books. Primarly of the fantasy genre.
When I work I try to make art. For me, art is when you study your craft with hours of work and dedication to the point that you left something behind, impregnated in the things you do. You want to tell something to the world and behind every pharagraph or brushstroke there is an idea, something you want to transmit.
What is the problem with this? Most people today don´t value this. The majority of people don´t value and artist work because they can´t understand what they are seeing. And that is because no one puts effort, love or dedication in the things they do, so when they see the work of someone who did they just can´t understand it. People don´t see the hours of work, the time one spent studying. They just like it or not. And since they are majority they decide the value of your work (if it sells or don´t) They don´t want ideas. They want a show. A stupid charade that can entretain them and that is it.
I had this realization just a few days ago. Did a little research. Way more than 50% of the consumers of s~~~ in this planet are women. They read s~~~ty books, watch s~~~ty TV series, and buy stupid clothes everyf~~~ing day.
There are more women in this world than there are men. They are the majority of the consumers. S~~~ will sell. It is a fact. So I will produce s~~~ for them and use them to reach the life I want. There is no way that “people” like this can understand what I try to convey with my work, so I will make s~~~ for them.The funny thing is that this expands to every other carreer or job. The world of today is ruled by consumism. So if you dont create crap or work for someone who makes crap, you can´t win.
For me there are 2 ways out of the rat race: Having tons of money or having very little. The middle is the life of the slave. If you have a lot of money you do what you want. If you have little you do what you want but without the luxury, and is a little more hard, but you are free.
Since I don´t think of having a family (because today that is another word for slavery) I will gladly live one of the two other ways I mentioned before. If I succeed, good. If I don´t, it is a shame, but I will not put anymore of my time or my work for people who don´t understand it. I will not be exploited anymore just to make someone rich.
Men should not TRY to live. Life is your right for being born. But even that has been made a living hell for us.What do you think of this? Please, share. Share your view and experiences. We have to be free men.
PD: I am sure I am not saying a lot more of the things I want to say. But there is just too much.
The jobs suck to put it frankly.
You are a replaceable number and companies will show no loyalty to you or any older members.
My jobs:
Fast food and dishwasher in restaurant during college days.
Took care of county parks during summer. College jobs where one literally just f~~~ed off the whole day. Minimum wage but could do anything.
Intern at Sheriff’s department and County Jail. Just sat at a desk all day. No pay. The only reason I stayed was that I was promised a job with the sheriff’s department after I graduated. Waited for them to fulfill their word for several months. They change their mind, because sheriff got arrested so they sent me to county jail instead. I got p~~~ed so I didn’t take it up. Didn’t miss anything, 12 dollar per hour and being stuck with inmates all day.
I worked on cleaning oil rigs for a few months only to leave because a lack of hours. I would watch them burn out their employees with continual 100+ hour weeks for about 10 an hour. Some guys would actually be unable to hold conversations after a while. They just lost their mental faculties. It was a company out of tenennessee so they hired all the local guys. I had to drive 30-45 minutes just to get there. They would tell you to arrive at the office at a specific time, only to show up 1.5-2 hours later. I was not paid for those hours of waiting. From there they would drive you to the site. Would not get paid for trip back, which was 45-60 minutes. The driver had to go to court one time, so he dragged everyone with him after work. No pay. He bought us a f~~~ing chicken sandwich from Mcdonald’s for the extra half hour we were stuck with him.
Next I did door to door advertising for a remodeling company. Which wasn’t bad until the operation shutdown due to being illegal soliciting. That and all the territory was used up. They would lore potential workers with a promise of receiving a 2000 dollar bonus if they lasted a month along with a certain number of sales. The shut down the operation 3 days prior to the month ending, so no one got the bonus. That and they tried shorting some workers of their commissions.
Next job I applied for was for a door to door sales company selling a vacuum sweeper for $1500 a piece. They required all future employees to bring in 9 family and friends as potential customers. Which is why they hired the employees. The employees would bring in the potential revenue through family and friends. I didn’t want to screw my family or friends over with a s~~~ty product, so I left.
Worked security. Pay sucked bad. Would get a raise of 25-50 cents every year or two. It was at a chemical plant so I could watch how the chemicals directly affected the environment. Some employees discovered an odd snake, took it to a professor at local college to be analyzed. He never seen the species before. I seen an ant, not a spider, drop down on a spider web from the ceiling. The deer were covered in blotches. Etc. Eventually got fired for using the gym. They told me to stop. I kept using it anyway. I didn’t care though, the pay sucked.
Worked in a warehouse. S~~~ pay. Blamed for everything. Owner tried to get me to quit or get fired multiple times for various things. Luckily I got along with the manager and he protected me by showing security tapes proving I had literally done nothing. Was criticized for everything by owner. But it wasn’t just me it was all the warehouse guys. (all 3 of us.) Eventually left once I got into carpentry school.
Carpenter now. Worked in nuclear power plants on top of the actual reactor. Helped with skyscrapers. Have to be cautious because I will get fired over any and everything. Journeyman are not even allowed to criticize you, they just lay you off right there. If you are doing something wrong, they are not allowed to tell you. Just lay you off right there.
Been layed off for misplacing a set of tools one day. Switched between 9 different journeyman because I was an extra worker, all with different ways of doing things, only to be laid of for “attitude”. Did not even know why I was laid off until several weeks later. Ironically got along with everyone. Except one asshole.
Get treated like a child by journeymen. For examply, forgot to take off gloves when installing ceiling tile. Some tiles got dirty. Journeyman would not allow me to use razor the next day because he wasn’t sure he could “trust me” after I forgot to remove my gloves the day prior. Etc.
Laid off last job because foreman blame apprentices for screw up in front of whole crew. I said “Wait a minute, we did exactly as you said.” Laid off week later.
So far, best paying job. As long as I am working.
Is my generation equipped for the modern workforce? No. But at the same time we are barely given enough pay to get by and companies show no loyalty anymore. Not even to the guys working 25+ years. It breeds a “f~~~ it” type attitude.
This is just some of the stories.
John Doe:
One thing I found out over the years was that one can do good work, put in long hours, and still get sacked or laid off. Why? One wasn’t cozy with the boss. Been there, suffered for it.
Working for other people is helping their dreams and goals come true. This is why I am a semi-retired self employed stonemason. I contract my skills services and time of life as I see fit to accomplish my own dreams and goals.
I do have customers who have to be satisfied with the quality of my work, but they can’t dictate to me how to do my job. One old woman was concerned about how fast I was working on her patio. She asked when I was gonna be finished. The next day she asked again, and I told her if she likes I can pick up my tools and be finished right now. I finished four days later (two of those I went fishing). she paid me up for my footage without speaking to me. Fine with me, as her husband was who hired me anyways. I would have been done two days earlier had she kept her mouth shut in the first place.
My time of life is the most valuable thing I own and the older I get the more precious it becomes. When people sell things, you often see the price, then the word FIRM. That’s how I feel about contracting my time. FIRM. I have done masonry for many years, I put my time in pushing wheelbarrows, mixing mortar and all the crappy parts of my trade. I know what I am doing. I can make a decent living at $5 a square foot + $1 for every scaffold high I go. That’s cheap for the quality I provide. I will walk off a job in a nanosecond if they don’t recognize this. I don’t need money only the people I owe need money. I am debt free.
I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
One thing I found out over the years was that one can do good work, put in long hours, and still get sacked or laid off. Why? One wasn’t cozy with the boss. Been there, suffered for it.
I would have to agree. That is an important thing. I was never good at being “cozy with the boss”. However, I would be the first to show up, often times up to 45 minutes early. When I finished a project, I would quickly report to my foreman in order to get on to the next one. Never f~~~ed around. I have followed directions to the best of my ability. But when it came to being “buddies”…….. A worker is not supposed to be “buddies” with his boss. And vice versa. I am suppose to do what the boss tells me to do. Do it well and on time. Then go home. That is it. However, the world does not act rationally.
I don’t need money only the people I owe need money. I am debt free.
That is one thing I learned quickly. It is better to be free from debt, than to have money and be in debt.
@JoeDoe
Yeah I know something of that, working in placement, had 2 bosses. It was a medical center with many offices, alot of stupid stuff went on.
I’m glad I didn’t get hired there because that place would of sucked my soul out.
I had one job, just out of college, working for an small family owned air conditioning company. Anyhow, there was this angry short guy there. He would cuss me and everyone out over nothing. In turn I would be a wise ass to get under his skin. One day he drives the company vehicle at twenty miles per hour about 2 feet from me while I am cleaning something. Almost runs me over. Later that day he literally starts screaming at me, over nothing, in front of the boss. Full blown screaming. The boss does nothing. I go to the boss about it, he just says that they way the guy is. He does nothing because they “need” him.
They were close friends, if I remember correctly. The bulls~~~ is literally everywhere, no matter where you go. It is about who you know to a large extent.
I had one job, just out of college, working for an small family owned air conditioning company. Anyhow, there was this angry short guy there. He would cuss me and everyone out over nothing. In turn I would be a wise ass to get under his skin. One day he drives the company vehicle at twenty miles per hour about 2 feet from me while I am cleaning something. Almost runs me over. Later that day he literally starts screaming at me, over nothing, in front of the boss. Full blown screaming. The boss does nothing. I go to the boss about it, he just says that they way the guy is. He does nothing because they “need” him. They were close friends, if I remember correctly. The bulls~~~ is literally everywhere, no matter where you go. It is about who you know to a large extent.
At my placement (during college), I often had to deal with the maintenance guys in their little shed out back, the one blamed us “kids” for scratching the LCD’s stacked up in the server room, the other decided he didn’t want to give me any tools (when sent to get them) because “he didn’t get them back”, but he did, they just came back in the toolbox with all the other tools, this guy also liked to make veiled insults at me. My first boss was ok, though he had a tendency to leave 30-45 minutes early and sometimes was kind of aloof. The second one he didn’t consider me an adult, usually gave me all the work he didn’t want to do (like moving heavy objects from building to building), while he watched cricket on the computer in the server room and gave off an air of not wanting me around. Under his rule, I was often relegated to basements doing mundane work like reconfiguring tons of old computers and boring office work. He ultimately ensured I never got hired when offered the opportunity by #1, acted like I was forcing their hands when I inquired. Screw that place.
Under his rule, I was often relegated to basements doing mundane work like reconfiguring tons of old computers and boring office work.
Last job I was on, renovating a hotel, I was stuck moving 80lb bundles of studs all day. The foreman would tell the apprentices where to put them. We would put them there. The next day he would want it moved 30 ft over and blame us for putting them in the old spot to begin with. There was no winning.
Under his rule, I was often relegated to basements doing mundane work like reconfiguring tons of old computers and boring office work.
Last job I was on, renovating a hotel, I was stuck moving 80lb bundles of studs all day. The foreman would tell the apprentices where to put them. We would put them there. The next day he would want it moved 30 ft over and blame us for putting them in the old spot to begin with. There was no winning.
My belief was that if you did the crap work and proved yourself, they’d eventually give you something better. But that never happened.
My belief was that if you did the crap work and proved yourself, they’d eventually give you something better. But that never happened.
That is truth. If I could “thumps up” this statement more I would.
A lot of “career advice” I got from my father. It was the “bust your b~~~~ and prove yourself to get ahead” mentality. It might have worked in his day. It does not work today.
They use you up and throw you away. For those 18-65 we are just numbers in an economic system meant to exploit us. And I am not talking about women either. I am talking about “careers” and “jobs”. Proving yourself is a thing of the past. Now it just get used and tossed.
The day I got laid off from that job, they stuck me with an older gentleman in his late 50s early 60s. They laid him off 3 days prior from him being able to collect medical benefits for arthritis in his hands. 3 days more and he would have been able to see a doctor.
Other guys I knew, would work for a company for 30 years and get laid off out of nowhere. It doesn’t matter the age. With that being said, I think it will end up being more difficult for younger guys, like myself, assuming things stay on the trajectory where they are headed.
You are very lucky you know what your passions are at your age. It means you can pursue them with no hesitation. I would sit down and write out my priorities. Home, food, car…they come first. Then you can eat top raman and work on your writing. If your MGTOW it will cost you a minimum amount to live on and you’ll have no “extra” expenses. You can live like a man, very cheap.
If you plug away at it, I’m willing to bet you’ll find a way to be successful at your art. Eventually. It takes years to learn an artistic craft, to find a nitch, make the connections. I’m a doc get out of training until I was 31. And it was really hard work under a lot of pressure. I’m very happy to be out of that part of it any more.
But this is the deal. You have to make your own decision…what are your priorities? that’s the question you should write down. What are your priorities?
Now think about this. What if right now you had a wife? What would you do then? Whatever it is, your going to have to ask her opinion in these united states of america, circa 2015. What if your girlfriend get’s, you know, in “that way”? What if she wants to keep it? What about child support?
What do you think these things will do to your future?
Women are dream killers.
I got married during medical school and it was the very worse decision that I ever made in my life. I love the life I led but it my career really suffered from having to take care of a woman, one that stopped working right after marriage…needs constant attention and entertaining, blah, blah blah…there goes your life. Your art down the tubes.
If your career is of any priority to you then you have to think three times before getting in a serious long term relationship.
I know something about the creative process and if you stick with your craft you will succeed. It may take sometime and smart MGTOW living but you will succeed.
#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
John Doe:
The last job I had was as an instructor in a post-secondary institution. My first office mate got himself promoted to assistant department head and, thereafter, anybody who got hired turned out to be a buddy of his.
That man took an instant disliking to me and did whatever he could to either have me fired or get me to quit. (There’s evidence that he did that to other people, including the chap who started in the department the same time I did.) Eventually, I did resign, but did so at a time of my choosing, which neither he nor the last department head (who also hated my guts) didn’t like. It didn’t take long for someone to fill the position I’d vacated and, sure enough, my replacement was–wait for it!–one of the ADH’s buddies.
Time and again, I saw how someone managed to make himself into the boss’s darling and anything that he said was automatically right, even when he was full of crap. Unfortunately, such people have a frightful tendency of getting themselves promoted and, worse, winning the admiration of others. (I know of one such crap artist I used to work with more than 30 years ago managed to BS his way into the vice-presidency of a local firm.)
It’s been more than a dozen years since I quit. I’m far from wealthy but I still manage to pay my bills from whatever money the government allows me to keep from my investments. However, since then, I have never had to make smoochies with anybody’s backside nor did I have to bow down to someone who thinks they know more than me simply because they’ve charmed some lame-brained superior into thinking they’re geniuses.
Being MGHOW/MGTOW is more than just freedom from the oppression of feminism and political correctness. It’s also liberation from the idiocies of office politics and the endless games of oneupmanship that workplaces are obsessed with. It’s the freedom to think as one chooses, and to do so clearly without hindrances.
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