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Think about it. The multiple restaurant and retail jobs we have now are mostly part time. Factory jobs are almost always full time, because they have to be for efficiency reasons. If there are a lot of factory jobs among us, there would be more of a chance for people to work at one company from after they get their high school degree to all the way up to their late 50s. Factories also have more of a chance to be unionized with good working conditions, and you will also gain this mindset that you would live to work, not work to live since you would then have this great routine with all the stable hours you would be getting.
How do I know this? many years ago, my best job that I ever worked in my entire life was in a plastic hangers boxing factory that supplied plastic hangers to stores like walmart and sears. You guys do not understand how great it was to work 37.5 hours a week with a great routine until you actually really do work in a factory with such stable hours. The thing that sucks the most though is that we gen y people cannot really get these jobs anymore and now we might be stuck in juggling like 2-3 part time retail jobs with a lower chance of the jobs even being unionized over a factory job where the factory job also has stress free working conditions.
I am not trying to be very negative, but with dating women and jobs and everything, life was truly simple back then, where we did not need to exchange male notes to each other for self improvement, because there was really no need since life was really simple back then. We would just work in a factory till our 60’s, and with that job alone, we would be taken cared of by our unionized factories with our health benefits and stuff.
I hope you guys have a real good plan to set yourself up for retirement really well because a lot of people in life are going to go on a bumpy ride in life where people can’t even hold on to a job for more than 3 years.
I have a plan of my own to deal with this complicated job market, do you guys have a plan?
"Question everything" - Albert Einstein
By the way, there is a chance that I might not have such a good retirement but you can only live once and you better make the best at trying to put your chips on something.
"Question everything" - Albert Einstein
Anonymous12As they keep telling us in Australia we have become a “Service Industry” country, this of course is code for “We don’t make anything”.
Lots of things were simpler back then, we had 2 genders, you belonged to one or the other. We had 1 sexuality and didn’t talk about the other one unless we wanted to make jokes. We all belonged to pretty much the same religion, came from a similar culture, held similar beliefs.
At the risk of sounding like an old man, I don’t blame the young people today for not giving a s~~~. They have been sold out and they know that their restaurant and service jobs aren’t for life. They could go to Uni and study but then what? They end up with a huge debt, and no job to go to anyway.
And of course no pension when you get older and retire but as they have raised the retirement age in Australia to 75 it doesn’t matter too much anyway. Of course the one group they can discriminate against is the elderly so if you find yourself unemployed after 50 than you can expect to stay that way.
My plan is to keep my job for a few years, finance a cheap house, and look for another job. I’ll probably bounce from one job to the next in the future. I have a retirement account that I’ll keep feeding until I’m 70. I’d like to figure out a way to make money online—that way I wouldn’t have to drive my car to some job I hate. Basically, I just want to have my own house and an online job. Beyond that, I want to own rental property for extra money. And I also want to own an oil field…but I’ll settle with investing in an oil drilling company.
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Wealth is generated when you have an excess of of stable manufacturing jobs.
Service and finance jobs don’t make a country or its people rich.
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Wealth is generated when you have an excess of of stable manufacturing jobs.
Service and finance jobs don’t make a country or its people rich.
I did take a macroeconomics class at one time and barely passed. What I took from that course was that outsourcing manufacturing jobs might not make many people rich, but more low income people can then afford more things that are made cheaper in other countries compared to if the product was made in their own country at a higher price. This is the makings of globalization. You are still right though that manufacturing jobs does make the the country richer since there would actually be a bigger middle class than we do now.
"Question everything" - Albert Einstein
The commie plot..
Ship factories over seas.
Empower women with education and jobs.
Displaced men can not afford a family.
Women do the I am on the pill scam and then go on welfare.
Banks send out credit cards and the new debt slave class has bern created.
Import immigrants to increase socialist voting.
Caputalist spiral.
Women shame about real men.
Men opt out and live in the basement.
The wall hits the women.
Fatherless kids grow up to hate men.
Later men go mgtow and happiness finds them…
The women become grand mothers and are run ragged.
The women are never happy and die old and alone.
Men go gishing and enjoy the peace of the old mans bar, reading mgtow and how feminism f~~~ed up the world.
Did I miss anything?
Looks like you hit just about all the notes.
"Question everything" - Albert Einstein
Anonymous42Lots of factories and factory fields (where factories once stood) here in the Northern U.S.
I’m located within the ever expanding and darkening rust-belt!
I can buy machine tooling for pennies on the dollar! Real estate too! Too bad I own some.
We’re talking some serious acreage once productive, now fallen to ruins with it’s value consumed by tax demands that added up over decades! Whole neighborhoods have moved away taking the houses with them! Nature and real estate tax accumulation now owns these lands.
I smell revolt in the air…..P.S. The joke back then was that government eats steak while we eat hamburger, but the reality is we’ve been reduced to eating beans while they keep enjoying the steak.
Being one of 4 houses on my street, and the 4th one collapsing, I’ve stopped paying real estate tax as everything around me has fallen into American ruins… My nation is in deed dying…
Laughing gas TV is what they use to put a nation to sleep….
Man, Imagine if america manufactures all their sh*t and would also have lesser people actually going to restaurants so that they save money and can also become more healthier in the long run. Also, imagine people deciding to just go as high as to get a high school degree just so that they can work at a factory and still be middle class. Imagine the lack of debt that a lot more people would have, just because they skipped university altogether since at least working in a factory with the aid of a high school degree is actually a respectable option. Life would really be that much more simpler instead of having people to think that they have to have a lot of debt to get that bachelor’s degree to even have a chance to become middle class. Imagine if you can start your life and move out as soon as the year of your 18th birthday. Was it really worth outsourcing our factories? I am sure a lot more people cannot even have a shot of owning a home just because of this shift of factories being outsourced.
"Question everything" - Albert Einstein
Anonymous42I am sure a lot more people cannot have even a shot of owning a home just because of this shift of factories being outsourced.
Crony government capitalism has rendered innumerable properties to disrepair and economic insolvency, these motherf~~~ers have done everything to enrich themselves at a cost to others.
Give up your guns and you’ll be trading your humble beans for a plate full of nothing! While they continue eating the steak…
That kind of blatant disregard for your neighbor and countrymen can get you a nasty case of lead poisoning… I don’t make up the rules to natural law, it’s just history repeating its self…
At this point you are probably better off learning how to maintain the robots that actually do much of the manufacturing in the West.
I have taken over projects that had 50-70 software engineers and automated things so the work could be done with 10 instead. 1 farmer and his gigantic smart tractor can farm multiple square miles which used to be covered by several smaller family farms 50 years ago.
The only field where there will likely never be any of these effects seen is public sector/government.
The problem with a lot of unions these days is they underfunded/mismanaged a lot of their pension funds. I’ve been in one for about 12 years and all they were doing for me is putting all my retirement money in a pension fund that during the course of my employment has gone from about 60% funded to 40% funded. They aren’t cutting payments for current retirees who are the ones who underfunded/mismanaged it, they are telling me to keep paying my money into the pension fund so they can keep handing it out. Well what happens when I’m retirement age and the fund is broke…I just get to enjoy my retirement getting a fraction of what they promised me because rather than my contributions being invested and growing they are going to pay current retirees who are bleeding the fund dry(the fund that was supposed to be funded by them and managed by union officials they elected)? Since I started that job…my accrual rate(rate of pension payment growth) has gone down, and my contribution rate has gone up(at the sacrifice of decent wage growth in my paycheck). Add that in with dropping union enrollments and you’ve just created a death spiral…how the hell would you expect them to attract new members…its like they have to convince people to invest in a 401k…only instead of getting an employer match you instantly lose 60% of what you contribute.
I see where your coming from…it would be nice if more people could just leave high school with nothing but work ethic and find a 50-60k a year job with decent benefits and a pension, but at the same time a lot of people who promised themselves these benefits in the past didn’t fund them properly, didn’t manage them properly, and ultimately don’t mind passing the bill to the next generation as long as they get what they promised themselves years ago.(a lot like they ran social security)
I’m not really for or against unions…I realize they are all different so you really can’t lump them all into one group, but it kind of bugs me when I hear people complain about lack of unions these days when from my experience being in a union was actually a very bad deal for me. Its not always the big businesses, the rich, or people of certain political beliefs that have lead to the decay of unions…in some ways unions have been doing a fantastic job of contributing to their own demise.
Manufacturing jobs have been sent to China and/or automated.
My best advice is get a degree that will quickly get you into a good job OR learn a trade.
Welding,Plumbing,Electrical,Heavy Equipment,.I would stay away from trades like masonry drywall hanging and roofing because you really cant do them when you get older
frankly my dear i don't give a damn
Anonymous42Welding,Plumbing,Electrical,Heavy Equipment,.
Every one of those fields has collectively suffered for better than a decade, except pluming if you add up all the copper pipes stolen from repossessed and stagnant properties, it’s called decay, something that happens when something is on fire…
I’ve often wondered if it would be better if the government started putting tariffs on imported goods, to level the playing field, so that the US could start competing in manufacturing again. That would theoretically bring in jobs back home, but it would obviously raise prices of manufactured goods, which in turn would slow down sales, slowing down the economy.
Just take smart phones for example. If it were manufactured here in the US instead of China, the cost to produce it would likely be double. Not only would the laborers be paid more, but we would also have all the additional environmental regulations to deal with. With that higher cost, a lot less people would own a smart phone, meaning fewer companies would be in business supporting smart phone apps…less jobs. It’s all connected. Every action taken is going to have a consequence.
Besides, robots are going to be come increasingly more useful and continue replacing lower skilled jobs. Workers have been transitioning to higher skilled jobs and a big increase in the service industry. There are a ton of services today that were not available back then.
As for unions, I think they have their value, but they become a problem when they get political.
I’m not going to go look at stats, but I imagine home ownership is much higher then it was when we were a manufacturing nation. The houses were much smaller for sure, and the average person had less stuff. The poor were not overweight. I’m sure in hindsight it may look like things were simplier back then, but were they? Was life better for the unskilled laborer yesterday then it is today?
Aside: I haven’t read anything in a while, but there is the theory where we will reach a point where it makes sense to have a significant portion of the population not work at all, as they cannot add much value there, but do add value as a consumer…and we can’t just get rid of them. That sounds really scary to me…idle hands and all. Perhaps we can reach a point where people work for the pleasure of working (like on your motorcyle or other project), not for living. I don’t know how that could work though, as we always seem to want more.
Ok. Then do it.
My best advice is get a degree that will quickly get you into a good job OR learn a trade.
Welding,Plumbing,Electrical,Heavy Equipment,.Solid advice. Getting a CDL and driving truck can be a pretty decent path as well for people who want to avoid the whole college thing. I’ve known plenty of truckers over the years…its pretty easy to get a job making at least 50k+ a year with a CDL…I’ve even known some guys making north of 100k a year with just a CDL. I know when a lot of people think trucker they think long hours and never being home…but jobs like the truck driver you see driving around locally in a coke or pepsi truck is probably making 60-70k a year with decent benefits, is home every night at a reasonable time, and has a job that can’t be outsourced.
Look up the video “Humans need not apply”
A lot of workers are going to be replaced by robots.
China has nearly a billion poor people to manufacture everything and anything.
frankly my dear i don't give a damn
Anonymous42but we would also have all the additional environmental regulations to deal with.
Crony capitalism once again, take the Pittsfield, Mass GE plant, a supper fund cleanup on the tax payer dime while GE gets a “special” tax break, anything and everything is thrown on the backs of the tax payer like they’re some sort of trash can. The list is endless when it comes to market manipulation and the subsequent bursting bubble, the sugar tariffs favoring American producers has only caused companies like Hershey to cross borders, they also apply these tariffs to alcohol production, causing industrial alcohol and fuels to be much more expensive, killing the government backed “flex fuel” initiative, one hand wrestling the other into mutual extinction…
With liberal progressive policies permanently in place with ever expanding socialist policies our future is Venezuela. Si amigo?
Just take smart phones for example. If it were manufactured here in the US instead of China, the cost to produce it would likely be double.
Would it really? Look at sneakers. New Balance are made in America…they cost the same as Nikes that are made in Vietnam…and the New balance is probably the better quality shoe.
Or like you mention smart phones…well let’s look at that…here’s a little article…
IHS found the costs range from $US200 ($225) to $US247 ($278) for iPhone 6 models that sell in the US for $US649 and $US849 without a contract. The more expensive models sport 128 GB of storage space, netting Apple a slightly higher margin.
They make 400+ dollars per phone. If a single employee could only produce 1 phone per day…they could pay that guy 20 dollars an hour and still make over 200 dollars a phone. The fact that they pay some Chinese guy less than they’d pay an American just means extra profit to them…it doesn’t mean they say sweet…if we made this in America we’d sell it for 450, but instead we’ll make it more cheaply in China and sell it for 275. They sell their various phones for a 200-300% mark up over manufacturing costs lol.
I’ve often made this same argument against illegal immigrants as well. You always hear about the illegal immigrant doing jobs American’s don’t want for less money. Ok…well just for example that illegal immigrant is picking tomatoes for 10 dollars an hour, not paying any taxes, and benefiting from services the rest of our tax money pays for. Let’s say he picks 50lbs an hour. Now let’s fire him, deport his ass, and pay an American 20 dollars an hour to do the same job. He gets a livable wage, pays taxes like the rest of us, and at 50lbs of tomatoes an hour it would add 20 cents per pound to the cost of tomatoes. It might cost you 15 cents more for a pizza, or two cents more for a burger with a tomato slice on it…but at the end of the day we gave one American who probably isn’t earning a living wage who may very well be on assistance programs a job with a living wage and get him off any programs he was on, and we get rid of a non-tax payer leeching our system and probably sending some of his money back home anyhow. Its a total win.
It’s not that protectionism will “cause a trade war”. We’re in a trade war, and losing it.
Exactly man! People seem to not get this. We are in a trade war right now and refusing to fight back, because we don’t want to start a trade war. Wtf? Its like a pacifist becoming a boxer and refusing to hit his opponent and not being able to figure out why he loses every match. We don’t need to go total isolationist and not trade with anyone, but at the same time what is the harm in re-evaluating some of our free trade agreements that are clearly not working out in our favor?
Anonymous42With every trade agreement they argued that American products would be exported abroad, instead the raw materials for these products were sold abroad receiving manufactured goods in return, annihilating the only workers that actually produced anything. The thump thump and smoke of heavy American industry has all but vanished, The large steel mills have all vanished…
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