Liberal — Conservative..How do you handle it?

[Anonymous 54]

Maraudrz1 wrote:

I have a niece that is somewhat socialist. I have discussions with her and while she listens she is stubbornly liberal. She is a very smart young woman and does respect the men in her family. The problem is she has been so indoctrinated by our school system that getting her to change is going to be very difficult. I love her dearly and so will continue to work on her. But for the most part I don’t discuss religion or politics with anybody. It can be frustrating at least and dangerous at the most.

As for your brother the best thing I think to do is to talk about the weather, the stars, the architecture of a certain building anything but politics and religion. Liberals and Socialists are dead wrong and the ideology does kill people. Never in the world’s history has Socialism ever worked. The Roman Empire was brought down by Socialism. Most people think it was the barbarians. The barbarians were the final touch that put the Empire completely under. People started demanding goods and services such as we put out today. This continued until the Empire was so weak economically that the Empire couldn’t even afford to hire enough mercenaries to defend the Empire. Because of Socialism the producers were constantly paying higher and higher taxes just like the Liberals want to do today. Eventually the producers said to hell with it and quit producing, thus the Empire was weakened so much that they couldn’t defend themselves and the men had been so mistreated they wouldn’t fight. Sound familiar? If I am mistaken about this I am willing to stand corrected.

Thanks. I try to use this analagy but am unable to say ot this well.. I think the similaritys are frightning.Wenrt the all fat too?

[AttonParticipant]

In my family we agree to disagree and we also recognize a few truths about the matter. Everyone is different and so are their ideas about how the world should be. Hillay Clinton and Donald Trump are two people with different ideas in the end. The voters and supporters are no different two groups with conflicting ideas. Just as passionately as you might hold an idea, others hold different ideals equally as passionately.
Your brother would do well to see that reality.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[thisistheguy123Participant 2063]

Atton wrote:

In my family we agree to disagree and we also recognize a few truths about the matter. Everyone is different and so are their ideas about how the world should be. Hillay Clinton and Donald Trump are two people with different ideas in the end. The voters and supporters are no different two groups with conflicting ideas. Just as passionately as you might hold an idea, others hold different ideals equally as passionately.
Your brother would do well to see that reality.

I’ve tried, endlessly…I’m giving up I think…When he asks “Who do you like better?” I just reply “They’re both awful, one is silly the other is corrupt”
But he kept trying to bait me into an argument.

From now on, I won’t allow it, and probably won’t even respond.
I’ll keep interactions with him political free and probably alcohol induced fun

I do wish he could accept people for having differentiating opinions, as he forces people to do with him

Sorry if I’m writing poorly today, I’ve been sick all week and it’s rough keeping my mind clear.

[SamsquanchParticipant 4226]

Many more important things in life other than politics. My dad and brother are always talking about it, especially the debate last night. I’ll get married before I waste my time listening to scumbag Hillary and scumbag Trump argue over s~~~ they can’t change.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Atton raises an excellent point. I never discuss politics (or religion) with my close friends or relatives. Talking someone out of a firmly held belief is like trying to teach a pig to sing: It won’t work, and you’ll only annoy the pig.

I stick to safer topics with those who I don’t want to pick fights with.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[AwakenedParticipant 35220]

thisistheguy123 wrote:

I try, but he keeps trying to bait me because he knows I’m a conservative and he wants to argue for some reason.

Tell him in no uncertain terms that he must stop baiting you because it’s p~~~ing you off, and makes you not want to talk to him in general. If he insists on bating you in future conversations then I would recommend not contacting him, and keeping any future conversations short and to the point. If “he wants to argue”, let him find someone else.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[thisistheguy123Participant 2063]

Samsquanch wrote:

I’ll get married before I waste my time listening to scumbag Hillary and scumbag Trump argue over s~~~ they can’t change.

Haha, great line!

[thisistheguy123Participant 2063]

Awakened wrote:

thisistheguy123 wrote:

I try, but he keeps trying to bait me because he knows I’m a conservative and he wants to argue for some reason.

Tell him in no uncertain terms that he must stop baiting you because it’s p~~~ing you off, and makes you not want to talk to him in general. If he insists on bating you in future conversations then I would recommend not contacting him, and keeping any future conversations short and to the point. If “he wants to argue”, let him find someone else.

That’s a great approach and I will definitely do something along those lines the next time I feel like I’m being baited into an argument I do not want to have.

On the bright side, that ex I knew would eventually text me did…And I played it perfectly well informing her I am not interested in ever hearing from her again, probably in a way that came off overly rude…Do I care? Not a chance.

[Anonymous 54]

I enjoy an open exchange of ideas. Most times people will have some good points in there view.If you can remain open minded you can learn from them. But most people want to fight, prove you wrong, defeat you.That is not a friendly exchange of ideas. I dont bother with such childish nonsense.

[Maraudrz1Participant 2250]

Anonymous wrote:

Thanks. I try to use this analagy but am unable to say ot this well.. I think the similaritys are frightning.Wenrt the all fat too?

I really don’t know. If you want to learn more about the Roman Empire read “Quo Vadis”.

Women's brains and vagina have one thing in common. There is nothing in there until a man puts something in there.

[Anonymous 54]

Thanks M1

[BeerParticipant 11832]

My favorite thing to do with liberals lately is to seriously agree with them, but in a trolling manner, which ironically also tends to be the reality of why I tend to disagree with a lot of big government, tax and spend, redistribute wealth type ideas. Its so much fun…its like getting them to open the door for you just so you can lob a stink bomb in and run off giggling.

For example…last time I had to listen to a moron liberal talk about how awesome of an idea a universal basic income would be, I said yeah, I could quit my job and have them direct deposit my money so I’d have access to it while I’m living on a beach down in Ecuador. Even if they paid just enough to get everyone up to the federal poverty line here, I’d be well off in a lot of foreign countries and I’d never have to work another day in my life! He just grumbled a bit and said something about it would have some wrinkles to work out but he still thinks it would work, like somehow I’d be the only one who would come to the conclusion of why the f~~~ should I work when I wouldn’t need to?

The same works for universal healthcare…I love to mention how healthcare will be my biggest retirement expense, I’d be able to retire at 36 if I didn’t have to ever pay so much for healthcare, and just when they think I’m on their side, add in I don’t care if other people have to pick up the tab for me if I get to retire earlier.

Student loan forgiveness? I’m on board! I’d love to go back to college if there is basically no requirement to qualify for a student loan other than passing the classes from the previous semester, they’ll let me borrow well above the cost of tuition, and I’ll never have to pay it back. I could make a career out of going from college to college taking courses I could pass just by showing up on test day while borrowing 30k a semester to pay for 10k worth of tuition!

Gay marriage? This one is way too much fun, especially if its women talking about it. Start off with the “I’m all for gay marriage.” Watch the reactions you get as they smile like your a good little lemming…then “As a hetero person I don’t see any benefit to marriage with the way the marriage/divorce laws are these days, the lawyers are the only ones who win, if gays are dumb enough to do it jokes on them.”

I think this just f~~~s with them so well because all through college they learned liberals good, conservatives bad, if someone disagrees with you shout them down, call them names, shame them, and ignore any valid points they make. They never had to actually engage in intelligent discussion, and many of them never really think critically about the stupid s~~~ they say, they just think maybe “Student loan forgiveness? That would save me a lot of money!” The idea that there would be downsides and other people would be picking up the tab just never popped into their simple little minds. If you bait them in a bit and get them engaged, they’ll actually listen, and then when you point out the cracks in the wall from their side of the wall it mind f~~~s them. Additionally if you point out the flaws in their ideas through things you personally can believably do, it is much more difficult for them to defend by just calling you racist, sexist, anti gay, etc.

This might work well with your brother…rather than be a conservative who defends conservatives from the conservative side when you know he isn’t going to listen to a thing you say anyhow, just go undercover and be a liberal for all the wrong reasons.

[Nathan R. JessepParticipant 1102]

thisistheguy123 wrote:

Me, a conservative at 30.

Trump is not a conservative. Hope that helps.

[Nathan R. JessepParticipant 1102]

Beer wrote:

The same works for universal healthcare…I love to mention how healthcare will be my biggest retirement expense, I’d be able to retire at 36 if I didn’t have to ever pay so much for healthcare, and just when they think I’m on their side, add in I don’t care if other people have to pick up the tab for me if I get to retire earlier.

If you’re able to retire earlier then you must have paid enough taxes to cover your future health expenses. Go right ahead and retire.

[Nathan R. JessepParticipant 1102]

Beer wrote:

Student loan forgiveness? I’m on board! I’d love to go back to college if there is basically no requirement to qualify for a student loan other than passing the classes from the previous semester, they’ll let me borrow well above the cost of tuition, and I’ll never have to pay it back. I could make a career out of going from college to college taking courses I could pass just by showing up on test day while borrowing 30k a semester to pay for 10k worth of tuition!

I’m not on board with student loan forgiveness. I’d rather subsidize the cost the of college directly rather than encourage people to borrow money with no consequences.

[Nathan R. JessepParticipant 1102]

Beer wrote:

For example…last time I had to listen to a moron liberal talk about how awesome of an idea a universal basic income would be, I said yeah, I could quit my job and have them direct deposit my money so I’d have access to it while I’m living on a beach down in Ecuador. Even if they paid just enough to get everyone up to the federal poverty line here, I’d be well off in a lot of foreign countries and I’d never have to work another day in my life! He just grumbled a bit and said something about it would have some wrinkles to work out but he still thinks it would work, like somehow I’d be the only one who would come to the conclusion of why the f~~~ should I work when I wouldn’t need to?

The idea behind a BIG is to scrap our current wasteful welfare system and give that money to people directly to prevent people from ‘working’ the system. It wouldn’t be a lot of money so you couldn’t just not work and be comfortable.

As for why you would work – do you work more than you need to right now to pay for your basic day to day expenses?

[Nathan R. JessepParticipant 1102]

Beer wrote:

Gay marriage? This one is way too much fun, especially if its women talking about it. Start off with the “I’m all for gay marriage.” Watch the reactions you get as they smile like your a good little lemming…then “As a hetero person I don’t see any benefit to marriage with the way the marriage/divorce laws are these days, the lawyers are the only ones who win, if gays are dumb enough to do it jokes on them.”

I don’t get how you think this is winning the argument. Personally, I mind my own business and don’t care what other people do. If gay people want to get marriage, who cares?

[narwhalParticipant]

thisistheguy123 wrote:

I’ve tried, endlessly…I’m giving up I think…When he asks “Who do you like better?” I just reply “They’re both awful, one is silly the other is corrupt”
But he kept trying to bait me into an argument.

I think that’s an excellent answer, because it’s absolutely the truth. At the very least an answer only someone who’s honest and willing to speak the truth even if it makes ‘your guy’ look bad.

I think in general, drop the stupid labels. No one should be committed to all liberal or conservative causes, you should the intelligence and willingness to evaluate each issue separately without having to continually support your favorite team.

You’ve already demonstrated that you are capable of that with your stance on gays. So if he wants to talk, go ahead and talk as too people without agendas. Talk about gay marriage, abortion, taxes, immigration, whatever…as two people. Require facts for every opinion or refuse to debate if he or she has nothing to support his opinion.

If he can’t discuss under those conditions, then tell him it’s a waste of your time. Let him know that you would respect his views if he actually demonstrated that they were thought out and honest, not just him siding with the team that backs gays out of some stupid sense of loyalty or what have you.

Ok. Then do it.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Nathan R. Jessep wrote:

Beer wrote:

The same works for universal healthcare…I love to mention how healthcare will be my biggest retirement expense, I’d be able to retire at 36 if I didn’t have to ever pay so much for healthcare, and just when they think I’m on their side, add in I don’t care if other people have to pick up the tab for me if I get to retire earlier.

If you’re able to retire earlier then you must have paid enough taxes to cover your future health expenses. Go right ahead and retire.

Dude our government is running a DEFICIT, that means that if I retire at 36, I haven’t even been paying enough taxes to fund current spending, let alone current spending + extra taxes to pay down “my share” of the national debt + medical coverage for the next hopefully 50 years.

They don’t have some giant trust earning interest…they have a pile of debt we are paying interest on lol. If I could effectively stop contributing after 20 years of work and sponge for 50 years, its not because I’ve already paid enough in, its because the next generation will have to pick up the tab, with interest.

Don’t get me wrong…if given the chance I’d totally do it out of spite for our s~~~ty f~~~ed up system, and I’d do it hoping that I’m doing my part to hasten the collapse, but what it boils down to is I save a much higher % of my income than I pay in taxes…if I can’t afford to pay for my future healthcare for life with my savings that has been earning me returns there is no way I’ve paid enough in taxes that at best get a 0% return to fund my healthcare for life.

[thisistheguy123Participant 2063]

narwhal wrote:

thisistheguy123 wrote:

I’ve tried, endlessly…I’m giving up I think…When he asks “Who do you like better?” I just reply “They’re both awful, one is silly the other is corrupt”
But he kept trying to bait me into an argument.

I think that’s an excellent answer, because it’s absolutely the truth. At the very least an answer only someone who’s honest and willing to speak the truth even if it makes ‘your guy’ look bad.

I think in general, drop the stupid labels. No one should be committed to all liberal or conservative causes, you should the intelligence and willingness to evaluate each issue separately without having to continually support your favorite team.

You’ve already demonstrated that you are capable of that with your stance on gays. So if he wants to talk, go ahead and talk as too people without agendas. Talk about gay marriage, abortion, taxes, immigration, whatever…as two people. Require facts for every opinion or refuse to debate if he or she has nothing to support his opinion.

If he can’t discuss under those conditions, then tell him it’s a waste of your time. Let him know that you would respect his views if he actually demonstrated that they were thought out and honest, not just him siding with the team that backs gays out of some stupid sense of loyalty or what have you.

Thanks, seems like I’ll have to take a different approach with him, which is fine with me.

My parents tried to teach us all to not fight for stupid reasons and to try to see each others POV…Seems like I’m the only one who actually cared to listen to them
But then again I know everything I think isn’t 100% correct all of the time, I’d rather be wrong and willing to talk about it and learn than commit and become defensive whenever someone disagrees

Thanks for all the responses, they’ve all offered valued insights into a silly problem.
But to me I would hate to lose my brother for something as stupid as a opinionated stance on a subject that won’t matter 200 years from now.

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