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The drivers of MGTOW have not gone away -entitled accountability free feminists who ride the c~~~ carousel till they are worthless and want men via the state to pay for everything for them, yet do all the s~~~ jobs, play an equal role in domestic chores and caring for the next generation of libtards before getting divorce raped.
The inequity in status and responsibility between the genders under the law and within western culture is shocking. That is not going to go away. The utter crapness of modern marriage for men is not going to go away. However MGTOW as a label that has meaning in the greater world and influence on policy makers has failed to launch. A movement for change and redress of unfairness goes through three stages in a democratic state 1.laugh at the nutters 2. Squash these dangerous nutters 3. We have to listen to these guys even if they are nutters or they will harm our election prospects. A movement has to have enough inertia to power through these stages or it fails. MGTOW may once have felt like a brotherhood but then turned into a bitch fight between little t~~~s and no one actually stood up and took the s~~~ that was coming in the “squash these nutters” phase because there were not enough men standing shoulder to shoulder, they were too busy sending each other pictures of f~~~ing cats.
I know what the reply that is coming will say something like “MGTOW is not a political movement it is a private matter of saying NFG and living life for yourself on your own terms not on gynocentric terms”. OK I know that but either you live as a hermit and hope others will do so too or you join a community and once you have a body of people that starts to have political implications whether you seek it or not. This is the problem that the church has struggled with for nearly two millennia. On one level the Christian has only to make his life fit in with his god but once they get together for support they become a church and that needs a leader, committees, policies with regard to the state and law and so on and so forth. A priest may become a priest because he loves his god but he ends up being a manager often of slightly odd or damaged people. This was the role KM took on in the church of MGTOW.com
MGTOW has lost its inertia. The drivers remain and logic suggests that unless the state squashes men in a mega totalitarian way, those drivers will be picked up on. MGTOW is not a website but this website was something special that I really wanted to join and waited over a year to be allowed to. Now MGTOW is some fragmented groups that bitch at each other.
A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own
I will be keep8ng an eye out for when a REAL space for men reemerges.
The real space for men is inside our own heads. A MGHOW keeps his own counsel. and no amount of shame nor bullshit from the hive will every change that.
And once you’ve made that space for yourself in your own head, make wherever you are your space too. Every space is a male space when you’re a MGHOW. Example: I once was at a venue where the nearest men’s room was broken and closed. So I walked right past the inevitable line in front of the ladies room and used theirs. Sure they reeeee’d, but they did nothing to stop me.
I guess we’ll never really know why or WTF really happened…
My theory: KM started the website as a hobby and put a fuckload of work into it. Then he started charging money and running a waiting list to join to try to keep out the riff raff. Then he thought he could turn the website into a money making venture. That turned it into a job. Into work. Worse yet, it made some here feel entitled to be here regardless of their bad behavior, since they paid. The more they were dealt with, the worse their behavior became. So the website became more work than the money was worth and KM stopped giving a fuck about it.
And that’s fine, because MGTOW is not a website.
Well, I still hold out hope that this “site” or whatever we’re calling it, has a resurgence of new members and reorganization.]
I still think it’s a great resource, but now it’s only a shell of what it once was, and only a skeleton of what it could be.
Long live MGTOW
Anonymous3The origin of MGTOW acronym derives from the frustration of early MRA that men did not band together behind an idea (usually the idea of one man) but instead were going their own way (they actually had their own ideas).
It is not possible to have a traditional and coherent “movement” if you start with the realization that you cant have a traditional and coherent movement for men’s rights.
The most powerful MGTOW revolution would be a parallel, distribute, non-organized change.
In my view in this age we are fighting a war of INFORMATION. In this sense, MGTOW is winning, because information is getting out there.
The labels need to be destroyed. MGTOW needs to disappear, “incel” needs to disappear. Because labels are what traditionally people grab to adhere or reject a movement. Take away the labels are you are like smoke, there is nothing to grab, there is nothing to point out, just a fire bellow that is burning through society.
The knowledge of MGTOW is an age old realization of your drives, the societal traps, your best interests and how this society goes against them.
The end result is no utopian future, but uther destruction of this broken society.
There is no centralized command, no defined direction. Just the propagation of a dangerous and contagious idea: freedom.
Anonymous3I understand the need to be a part of something bigger that oneself.
I understand in myself the thrill of marching under a flag at the sound of drums. I understand the appeal of an utopian ideal.But those are the TRAPS that lead us against our best interests. Those are the tools others use to manipulate and explore us.
It is exactly these drives that we need to be aware and avoid, because we trade our freedom for some unrealistic promise of the future.
Ask the millions that died in WWI fighting to “end all wars” how that worked for them. We can tell that it had to opposite effect, it created the next war.
Actually most ideals end up creating the opposite of what they claim. The “freedom of the proletariat” generated the most oppressive countries that ever existed. The “Great German Reich” ended up in the total destruction of Germany. And the “gender equality” thing will lead to a greater gender divisiveness.
Walking away alone from ANY movement to take care of your own business and spreading these realizations, THAT IS THE MOST SUBVERSIVE REVOLUTION.
Regardless of who or what is running this or any other website, the MGTOW Genie is out of the bottle. This horse has bolted the barn. It’s the creation feminism and will grow right along with women’s political power. Somewhere in the murky not to distant future I see it as a rally point of the violent war that will either save Western civilization or crush it in the misery of communism.
…Non-western immigrant men who have no interest in sustaining gynocentric western society for the wahmens, but instead intend to impose their own social norms, thereby dooming western society to extinction.
Seems like an influence to me.
But the non-Western immigrant influx is happening anyway. It is not due to MGTOW. Whatever happens now to the “gynocentric Western society” WRT the imposition of new social norms cannot be attributed to anything that we’re doing…
There is no centralized command, no defined direction. Just the propagation of a dangerous and contagious idea: freedom.
Walking away alone from ANY movement to take care of your own business and spreading these realizations, THAT IS THE MOST SUBVERSIVE REVOLUTION.
I like this. This is what it’s all about. The more people you get together, even if they all believe in the same thing, it’ll turn to schit and there will be no freedom.
Walk away from it all. I read something that someone wrote, but I can’t remember it word for word. It basically said that only a man who can be content to live alone will truly be free.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
There is no centralized command, no defined direction. Just the propagation of a dangerous and contagious idea: freedom.
Walking away alone from ANY movement to take care of your own business and spreading these realizations, THAT IS THE MOST SUBVERSIVE REVOLUTION.I like this. This is what it’s all about. The more people you get together, even if they all believe in the same thing, it’ll turn to schit and there will be no freedom.
Walk away from it all. I read something that someone wrote, but I can’t remember it word for word. It basically said that only a man who can be content to live alone will truly be free.I agree with you here Hermit. I love this about MGTOW too.
However it does not detract from the fact that all our current sort of subversion does is cause the markets to coil for a backlash against gynocentric liberalism. A revolution, as opposed to the groundswell of feeling that may propel it, needs a flag to rally around. The femtards won all last century because they did what women have never managed to do before in the history of this planet -band together as a larger group than a hive. They banded together and pressed hard. They committed terrorist offences, they went to jail, some even died. I loathe feminists but I have to grudgingly admit they out played men and earned their terrible victory. If we are to do anything serious beyond coil the markets, we have to band together under a common flag and be prepared to see martyrs amongst our number. Personally I would be prepared to suffer for the cause of anti feminism. Someone has to kill this snake. MGTOW.com could have been a flag but some people who were passionate but were damaged people began to run it for KM on a day to day basis and then got lost in their own arses. These men should not have been leaders, they were more the manic street preacher type not the bishops of the faith.
I love the personal victories of being a MGHOW but I also actually really value coming here and listening to you guys. I usually say “I knew that already” but that is only part of the picture. I had intuitions and feelings before but now I see the many pixels of the bigger picture not just my subjective view. Things feel like they fall into place better. I feel more grounded and certain in my views as I see a much greater evidence base and I am more accurate in my views than I could have been before. This community has been really valuable for me. We could do a lot more, even if we never got political and I think it would be worth the doing. We could have raised a flag at the least for an oasis of sanity but it turned into a mental asylum for cat freaks. I didn’t say much at the time because I didn’t want to add to the idiocy but actually it was shameful. Femtard academics who were just starting to take note of us as an adversary can now right us off as the men’s movement that vanished into losers who sent cat pictures and called each other girls.
A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own
There is no centralized command, no defined direction. Just the propagation of a dangerous and contagious idea: freedom.Walking away alone from ANY movement to take care of your own business and spreading these realizations, THAT IS THE MOST SUBVERSIVE REVOLUTION.
I like this. This is what it’s all about. The more people you get together, even if they all believe in the same thing, it’ll turn to schit and there will be no freedom.Walk away from it all. I read something that someone wrote, but I can’t remember it word for word. It basically said that only a man who can be content to live alone will truly be free.
I agree with you here Hermit. I love this about MGTOW too.
However it does not detract from the fact that all our current sort of subversion does is cause the markets to coil for a backlash against gynocentric liberalism. A revolution, as opposed to the groundswell of feeling that may propel it, needs a flag to rally around. The femtards won all last century because they did what women have never managed to do before in the history of this planet -band together as a larger group than a hive. They banded together and pressed hard. They committed terrorist offences, they went to jail, some even died. I loathe feminists but I have to grudgingly admit they out played men and earned their terrible victory. If we are to do anything serious beyond coil the markets, we have to band together under a common flag and be prepared to see martyrs amongst our number. Personally I would be prepared to suffer for the cause of anti feminism. Someone has to kill this snake. MGTOW.com could have been a flag but some people who were passionate but were damaged people began to run it for KM on a day to day basis and then got lost in their own arses. These men should not have been leaders, they were more the manic street preacher type not the bishops of the faith.
I love the personal victories of being a MGHOW but I also actually really value coming here and listening to you guys. I usually say “I knew that already” but that is only part of the picture. I had intuitions and feelings before but now I see the many pixels of the bigger picture not just my subjective view. Things feel like they fall into place better. I feel more grounded and certain in my views as I see a much greater evidence base and I am more accurate in my views than I could have been before. This community has been really valuable for me. We could do a lot more, even if we never got political and I think it would be worth the doing. We could have raised a flag at the least for an oasis of sanity but it turned into a mental asylum for cat freaks. I didn’t say much at the time because I didn’t want to add to the idiocy but actually it was shameful. Femtard academics who were just starting to take note of us as an adversary can now right us off as the men’s movement that vanished into losers who sent cat pictures and called each other girls.I understand and agree with what you’re saying, but it just emphasizes the point that I made about things going to schit as more people come together even if they agree on something. Yes, it’d be good to be able to band together and grow larger to overcome the enemy. There can be strength in numbers. However, when some of those numbers are insanely idiotic, even if just a few…….well, look what it did to the whole. Makes you wish you had never been associated with any of it. Good thing it was just a website, yeah?
In the end, we’re all, each of us, on our own and I like it that way. While many of us here are probably pretty good guys, can we really depend on one another, or even trust one another? I don’t even trust the closest friend I have right now. I’d say there are only two people in the whole world I can actually trust and that’s my father and my son.
MGTOW is men going there own way. You’re going yours and I’m going mine and the twain shall more than likely never meet. If I’m going it alone then I don’t have to depend on anyone but myself and therefore never have to be disappointed when someone else lets me down. If you’re part of a group or organization, you’re never free. There will always be someone in the group to disagree with you, or be offended by you, or turn on you, or some other bullschit.
I like hanging around a few friends from time to time, but I’m not as free when I’m around them. The only way I can see to be free is to be alone.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
guys post what they have to show other guys what they can have if they avoid marriage. it’s to show you don’t need a woman to be happy. i don’t see it as they’re trying to brag and show off. maybe some are, but most are not. if you don’t like those posts, just ignore them. or leave the subreddit. not a big deal.
I bathe in the tears of single moms.
Anonymous3If we are to do anything serious beyond coil the markets, we have to band together under a common flag and be prepared to see martyrs amongst our number. Personally I would be prepared to suffer for the cause of anti feminism.
Why?
What is the objective?
Do you think women can be made to behave? That they will respect and obey men? That men should have authority over them? That women should be at home and not at the workplace? That adultery should be punished and female lies checked, less they raise false testimony against a man?
That is called Islam… It works for people born under these values, but it doesn’t work for most of us westerners.
Do you see the problem here? This society is so permeated by “progressive” thinking, that WE actually endorse many of its values!
I can speak for myself, as I realized that MY VALUES are pernicious to my wellbeing. It is not only women that are dangerous to a man’s freedom, but also OUR OWN CONDITIONING.
Most men, given a chance, would chose to sacrifice themselves for the general good. You yourself are willing to be a “martyr”. What men fail to identify is the good they sacrifice for… That sometimes there is nothing good at all.
The genie is out of the bottle and its not going back. It will require a clean slate, a fresh restart… Unfortunately not even by us, but by those that will be born to face the aftermath of this debacle.
The labels need to be destroyed.
Impossible. People will always use labels because they are intellectually lazy.
So make sure they use the honest label you make for yourself (MGTOW) and not the lie they want to apply to you (incel).
But the non-Western immigrant influx is happening anyway.
You say that as if it’s inevitable. It isn’t. because it isn’t happening in, for example, Japan.
It is not due to MGTOW.
Not by name, but definitely by effect, though there are many stages of cause and effect here. MGTOW are themselves an effect of the actual root cause, which is gynocentrism itself.
Put bluntly, gynocentrism is the root cause of its own destruction. The only question is what it takes down with it. Western civilization will fall because western civilization has made itself unworthy of being saved. It’s efforts to prevent that collapse by replacing the men who are walking away from saving it will only hasten it.
And that is not our problem.
A revolution, as opposed to the groundswell of feeling that may propel it, needs a flag to rally around.
But a collapse doesn’t. A flag to rally a collapse around would simply burn with everything else.
Let it burn.
Bring marshmallows.
Anonymous3Clu wrote:
The labels need to be destroyed.Impossible. People will always use labels because they are intellectually lazy.
So make sure they use the honest label you make for yourself (MGTOW) and not the lie they want to apply to you (incel).
Yet it is one of the greatest MGTOW teachings that we are not to be defined by labels or respond to shamming language.
What you said its true, and its also the reason I say we should not use labels. Because once you are associated with a label you can be misrepresented or purposely poisoned. The vast propaganda machine against us is unbeatable. This means conventional “warfare” will not work. The only option is asymmetrical warfare.
Because once you are associated with a label you can be misrepresented or purposely poisoned.
That depends. Do you define the label or do you let it define you?
The vast propaganda machine against us is unbeatable.
The vast propaganda machine against us is consuming itself. Because in the end, reality always wins.
Besides, what can “the propaganda machine” actually do to you? What power does it have if you don’t give it any?
This means conventional “warfare” will not work. The only option is asymmetrical warfare.
You assume we need to wage a war. We don’t. The moment you stop giving any fucks, the moment you walk away, is the moment you’ve already won.
Anonymous3You assume we need to wage a war. We don’t. The moment you stop giving any fucks, the moment you walk away, is the moment you’ve already won.
I agree, essentially we are saying the same thing. You can read that in my previous posts.
However I am responding to some members that speak about “flags” and a MGTOW change of society. I see it that “going our own way” IS the change.
Spreading MGTOW information might help blue pill men see the light, but the is to war to wage…
Regarding labels, there are a handy shortcut to ideas, but neither define us or totally encompass the ideas itself.
I dont define myself by labels or even ideas. Not even a symbol.
I learned from old stealthy to change my avatar frequently. Not only is a good ghosting practice but also frees oneself from trying to live up to self-defined images or expectations.
I avoid social media for the same reason.The vast propaganda machine against us is consuming itself. Because in the end, reality always wins.
Agreed. Reality never needs to be asserted, because it is inescapable.
However, ideas are not reality. At best they can point out the reality behind the lies. But ideas can be distorted or misrepresented in a way the the message does not get through.
It doest affect me now that I have learned. But it can prevent many people from learning.
Problem is that if we let it burn and bring marshmallows either we, our descendants or our people if we personally leave no surviving issue are going to be in the fire not around the fire.
The future after a collapse in the soft West we have today can only belong to real men from some hard place far away who have come to take this land and its worthless women. Might be Russians if we are lucky but could be Somalis for all I know. I don’t fancy that future. I would sooner we managed to man up again and fight the buggers off. That means actually at least taking back our right to manhood, to take risk, to not be coddled by a nanny state and to be rewarded for risk taken successfully and courage.
If no stand is taken and we all disappear into private life we will be the fuel of the fire gentlemen.
The ancient greeks had a word for a man who was only interested in his private affairs -an idiot. At first “Idiot” was a neutral word meaning just a private individual but then it came to have the slur it has held to this day. If you are avoiding politics and letting others play that you are an idiot. Women with their tiny minds full of entitlement, clothes, face book an chad are getting political, forming pressure groups and voting. Guys we can’t just sit there and let them be unchallenged.
A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own
Problem is that if we let it burn and bring marshmallows either we, our descendants or our people if we personally leave no surviving issue are going to be in the fire not around the fire.
The future after a collapse in the soft West we have today can only belong to real men from some hard place far away who have come to take this land and its worthless women. Might be Russians if we are lucky but could be Somalis for all I know. I don’t fancy that future. I would sooner we managed to man up again and fight the buggers off. That means actually at least taking back our right to manhood, to take risk, to not be coddled by a nanny state and to be rewarded for risk taken successfully and courage.
If no stand is taken and we all disappear into private life we will be the fuel of the fire gentlemen.
The ancient greeks had a word for a man who was only interested in his private affairs -an idiot. At first “Idiot” was a neutral word meaning just a private individual but then it came to have the slur it has held to this day. If you are avoiding politics and letting others play that you are an idiot. Women with their tiny minds full of entitlement, clothes, face book an chad are getting political, forming pressure groups and voting. Guys we can’t just sit there and let them be unchallenged.Men have tried to step up to the challenge. They wind up financially destitute or in jail, or both. What do you suggest we do? The only solution, or rather the only option I see is to let it play out to its inevitable destruction. Then the men that are left can start all over and hopefully not let this schit happen again.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
Problem is that if we let it burn and bring marshmallows either we, our descendants or our people if we personally leave no surviving issue are going to be in the fire not around the fire.The future after a collapse in the soft West we have today can only belong to real men from some hard place far away who have come to take this land and its worthless women. Might be Russians if we are lucky but could be Somalis for all I know. I don’t fancy that future. I would sooner we managed to man up again and fight the buggers off. That means actually at least taking back our right to manhood, to take risk, to not be coddled by a nanny state and to be rewarded for risk taken successfully and courage.If no stand is taken and we all disappear into private life we will be the fuel of the fire gentlemen.The ancient greeks had a word for a man who was only interested in his private affairs -an idiot. At first “Idiot” was a neutral word meaning just a private individual but then it came to have the slur it has held to this day. If you are avoiding politics and letting others play that you are an idiot. Women with their tiny minds full of entitlement, clothes, face book an chad are getting political, forming pressure groups and voting. Guys we can’t just sit there and let them be unchallenged.
Men have tried to step up to the challenge. They wind up financially destitute or in jail, or both. What do you suggest we do?
They pick individuals off. One needs a large body that is large enough that they can’t ignore it as a democratic mass. They laughed at Brexit, they laughed at Trump up yours liberals we said but that was only because people did the leg work getting to people and making them believe in a credible alternative.
It may also take one or two martyrs who go to jail for doing nothing wrong. -Look how many femtards went to jail as suffragettes? Today they remove war statues of heroes and put awkward and unf~~~able women on plinths. Some were actual criminals and terrorists but most were just awkward and yet they went to jail too. After the battle to the victor (or in this case victrix) go the spoils. But you don’t win unless you fight. They whooped our grandfathers. Surely we can at least learn from them?
The problem is we have no large body that stands for men, we need to get taken seriously by the blue pill world and that takes serious adult behaviour and men who are prepared to actually be arsed. I have really loved my time at MGTOW but after the cat prats my next biggest frustration is good men who cannot be arsed. They are spoilt by easy western living. They do not know what urgency and need fell like, life is a big game you can opt out of if you don’t feel like sports today and they think they will be at a f~~~ing weenie roast when the west burns not screaming for their worthless mothers.
A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own
Problem is that if we let it burn and bring marshmallows either we,
Naw. We’ve walked away. That’s what Going Your Own Way is.
our descendants
What descendants? Men can’t have children, remember? All men get is the bill. Refuse that bill.
or our people
Our people? Seriously?
If you think the gynocentric society we live in is “our people” then really you’re just their bitch.
The whole reason for Going Your Own Way is that this is not your society. Not any more. They are not your people.
They are not your problem.
The ancient greeks had a word for a man who was only interested in his private affairs -an idiot.
Spoiler: And what happened to the ancient greeks?
Using failed societies as an example to justify upholding failing societies is hardly a valid argument.
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