Keeping it together for someone elses kids.

[SpaceMonkeyParticipant 76]

To pre-face how I got here, you would have to understand that without knowing I was very much MGTOW for most of my life. As you know, anytime you discard the “white picket fence” mentality you’re told you’re wrong and that if you don’t settle down, you’ll die alone. It’s always women who say this, btw. Thinking about it now why would a women agree with a man making choices independent of the feminine agenda?
So, at some point I began to believe what I had been told and got into a “serious relationship”. Not that I hadn’t been in shorter relationships before, but this one lasted 4.5 years, by far the longest. Looking back it was never really great, not the sex, not the conversation, nothing. All of it tepid at best, but it was what I was supposed to be doing, right?
She never gave a s~~~ about who I was or what I really wanted. Our sense of humor didn’t match at all and of course I was just a big stupid mysoginistic ogre. As long as I toed the line everything was close to fine. I helped her raise another man’s children for that time, they all lived with me. Since I had chosen her it was apparently a given that I had signed up for the full brunt of all fatherly duties. Any slacking in those duties lead to a verbal barrage, where she said whatever she wanted and any attempt to express my point of view was met with the formulaic yelling, followed by dismissal of whatever I was saying, and finished off with her signature indignance. I tolerated this for all this time believing it would get better. It never did, but as many of you know the longer you spend with children the more you come to love them, especially her 11 year old son. Who now bears the brunt of her man hating ways on his own. It was mostly for him that I stayed. We broke up and got back together two years ago. There hasn’t been a day since when I haven’t regretted sticking to my guns. So when things finally escalated to the point that I felt I could reasonably break up, I did. That was a week ago. In the end she didn’t really give a s~~~ about who she was marrying, she just didn’t want to give up her investment, because you can’t just be with someone because you like who they are, there has to be a pay off at the end, and how would her friends at work know amazing she was if I didn’t marry her, right?

[AkhilleusParticipant 2486]

Welcome bro were all brothers on this site feel free to share and read read read!

Aloha means family you don't leave family behind. Who will be the next Draconarius for MGTOW? MGTOW = brothers = acceptance = belonging

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

SpaceMonkey wrote:

I helped her raise another man’s children for that time, they all lived with me.

The single mother trap is the worst. MGTOW spends a lot time discussing this and I am grateful for their words of warning.
Welcome to the fold.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[Anonymous 6]

They sure do love using the die alone line don’t they 🙂 welcome brother.

[bladeParticipant]

Welcome to the brother hood .

F~~~ you single mothers

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[Greg HondaParticipant 6406]

Welcome.

Truth hurts. It’s not the financial cost of a broken relationship that hurts the most, (though it does f~~~in’ hurt). It’s the realisation of the years wasted on someone who never loved you, just used you, and used her kids to use you too.

Emotional Terrorists.

It's Time to get Wise

[SpaceMonkeyParticipant 76]

Thanks for the words, dudes. It means a lot to see this much feedback so soon.

[SheNoheartParticipant 144]

brother, always remember one thing you made it out alive..
You are here for you and no one else but you.. the posters are right, read… especially here in the forums, and most importantly read other peoples stories – this helped me a lot especially with my situation, now is the time to be as great as you can, and most of all give them nothing! keep active in the forums and always bring your voice out here for us to hear you out, MGTOW men we lock our arms together and endure the suffering as one brick wall until we are ready to break arms and breathe again.

the Universe is with you,

[Anonymous 42]

If you EVER go back to her come here first so we all can call you Mumford and kick you in the head!

Welcome to the forums, you’re among friends!

[Anonymous 5]

A lot of women even put in their opening lines on their profile;
” I’m not looking for a father for my children!!!!!!!”
BUT the reality is you’ll be expected to carry out all the duties of a father from paying for everything to child minding, and everything in between.
You’ll never be acknowledged as the father though!
Blood is thicker than water and you’ll never be a real member of the family.
You’ll always be subtly, sometimes overtly reminded that you’re disposable and replaceable. It doesn’t matter if the association is 4.5 years or 45 years, you’ll always be one step from oblivion.
KEEP THE F~~~ AWAY FROM SINGLE MOTHERS.

Welcome brother, many of us have been exactly where you’ve been.

[SpaceMonkeyParticipant 76]

Straight up, I was always second place to everyone. To her the kids were ahead of me. To the kids, their bio was ahead of me. But they all expected to be MY number one priority!

[Anonymous 5]

SpaceMonkey wrote:

Straight up, I was always second place to everyone. To her the kids were ahead of me. To the kids, their bio was ahead of me. But they all expected to be MY number one priority!

She’ll make it clear that her relatives are more essential to her life than you.
She’ll make it clear that her friends are more essential to her life than you.
She made it clear that one oz of happiness to her children had more weight than a pound of pain to me.
In one case, she made out some idiot who came to the door complaining was more important than me,,,haha,,,,,that was the beggining of the end.

It all sounds illogical and insane but we’ve all got to realise we’re under the effects of countless combinations of mind controlling “love” drugs that science is only starting to begin to understand.

The first step is to stop believing in the female fairy tales of love while the scientists work out what’s really going on at chemistry level.
If you stop believing it, the chemical process fails to initiate and we retain our logic.

[Greg HondaParticipant 6406]

@Trail428

You’ve lived it man I can tell.

I was fond of single mothers for a spell in my 20’s. They hook you in pretty quick. Stretch marks don’t bother me, I’m not looking for a swimwear model.

The reason I went for them was because they were easy. I had less morals in those days. One Gal I moved in with. She seemed ok, had a 2 year old kid. I knew the father, (Another story for another thread – Sick F~~~er).

Ready made Family, My folks were over the Moon. However, they don’t call it “The Terrible Twos” for no reason. The kid was pushing boundaries to see how far he could get.

It was a battle of wits between me and this 2 yr old kid. He resented me as I took his mother’s attention away from him. He had her wrapped around his little finger. The Kid had no discipline at all. No Boundaries.

Unfortunately for him I was studying Psychology at the time and I used Behaviourism on his Ass. No Violence, just Positive and Negative reinforcement. I got the kid potty trained, and eating his dinners on command. In the end he went from resenting me to bonding with me.

He was a Mama’s Boy that was crying out for Male guidance. I gave him what I could. He came to realise that I would not bend to his demands like his mother. He respected me more than her it was plain as day. Three months before he hated me and fought hard to push me out of his mother’s life.

Don’t assume that kids are just empty dumb vessels with no agenda or personality drivers. They know what they want and how to get it.

Anyways, eventually I just had to get out. It was stifeling. I was still young and attractive and there were parties to go to that were hard to attened as a couple with a kid. I was a jerk I guess, but I had options and a lot of milage to make up.

Anyway, It endend. She got a Chad in there to replace me in 3 days.

I didn’t really miss her, But, Strangely enough, I really missed the the Kid. We had developed a bond. I could feel him thinking about me, (Those who are familiar with my posts know what I mean). There was a real strong pull to go back. Just for the Kid. Not my Kid, but we had a stronger relationship than me and the mother.

I really missed that little guy. That was about 1991/92 He will be 25 years old now. If you’re ever reading this “SIM” it wasn’t you. It was your suffocating mother and her managerie of animals in a one bed flat that drove me away..

Hope you’re well.

And if you don’t know already, Your real Dad’s a sick evil f~~~er.

It's Time to get Wise

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

Welcome SP,

You have a nice way of describing situations.

Your words and ideas are appreciated.

Here are my favorites:

SpaceMonkey wrote:

…….In the end she didn’t really give a s~~~ about who she was marrying, she just didn’t want to give up her investment,…….

SpaceMonkey wrote:

……She never gave a s~~~ about who I was or what I really wanted……..

SpaceMonkey wrote:

…….Looking back it was never really great, not the sex, not the conversation, nothing. All of it tepid at best, but it was what I was supposed to be doing, right?…….

What women are doing in our RelationS~~~s, marriages, and culture is very similar to the deeds of the Emerald Jeweled Wasp.

Here is a lecture about the parasitic “Jeweled Wasp.” This tiny creature uses chemistry to control, dominate, and consume a much larger c~~~roach. The large “prey” is kept alive to feed/ nurture the offspring of the Wasp.

Carl Zimmer’s book. “Parasite Rex,” gives many examples of parasitic relationships in nature.

Kindly provide more details about your life outside of the parasitic relationships, without revealing your secret identity.

Feel free to add more details about yourself in this introduction thread in the reply box below. For example, answer the following questions:

Education?

Work situation and career aspirations?

Living situation?

Fun stuff that you do?

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[KeymasterKeymaster]

SpaceMonkey wrote:

you’re told you’re wrong and that if you don’t settle down, you’ll die alone. It’s always women who say this, btw.

“Dying alone” is a women projecting her own fears on to you. It is more likely HER future, since wives outlive their husbands by an average of 8 years. Remind her, even if you marry her pathetic ass, its’ still more likely SHE will die alone. She’ll be standing in her own puddle of tears when she realizes her cheap trick didn’t work.

( Is that why women can’t even go to the bathroom alone? )

If “not dying alone” is the best™ sales pitch she has, you can hope she and her doormat will be very happy together.

SpaceMonkey wrote:

a “serious relationship”

I never liked that term and I always correct women on it. Sick and tired of them always pushing for a “serious relations~~~” and when I tell them “The only relationship worth having is a FUN relationship – or none at all”….. they start back-pedaling.

“Well YEAH! That’s what I meant!”.

“Well No I wasn’t. You’re always dumping your “serious relationship” on me and frankly you’re a total buzzkill and Im not having any FUN. Nobody wants a serious relationship so cut the s~~~.”.

SpaceMonkey wrote:

Looking back it was never really great, not the sex, not the conversation, nothing.

I feel you, dog. I feel you.

If you’re not having any FUN… get out and tell her WHY.

SpaceMonkey wrote:

In the end she didn’t really give a s~~~ about who she was marrying,

No kidding.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[SpaceMonkeyParticipant 76]

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<p>I currently only have a HS degree but I have been recently considering going back to college. I have some college but I wasted my time, I was there for all the wrong reasons, pussy and beer, mostly.</p>
<h1>Work</h1>
<p> I am a federal employee, I conduct special forces training. I really love my job it constantly challenges me and as the techniques the enemy brings against American troops change so does my job, as I must mimic these techniques. Additionally, I own a quarter share in a small custom AR-15 shop, Hammer Arms. Before that I mostly worked on boats, first as a charter fisherman, and later driving mini supply boats back and forth to the offshore oil rigs</p>
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<p>I own a small townhome that I was lucky enough to purchase at the bottom of the market, in 2011.</p>
<h1>All types of ill s~~~</h1>
<p>Most of my extra time is taken up at the gun shop, we are on cusp of taking it to the next level and I don’t want it to be said that I didn’t put in the necessary work to make that happen. I have two dogs, that take up most of the rest of my time. For a large part of my life I was a professional charter fisherman in the gulf of Mexico, so when I get a chance to go offshore fishing I don’t let it pass me by. I love movies. I like video games, mostly Destiny. I am in the process of teaching myself how to build websites (HTML, CSS, JS). I’ve become quite immersed in that, even though I haven’t coded much since the breakup, it was hard to focus for a while. That’s the brunt of it. I hope I didn’t waste my time putting this into HTML, when I tried to do the link for Hammer Arms, it put it into HTML, so I figured I could do it all in HTML.</p>
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[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

Your introduction and the replies it has generated are great, so I am inspired to help out.

Here are some tips:

The “Patriarchs” who respond to the contact form on this web page have fixed many of my mistakes in botched posts I made last year. Your reply above is interesting, but very hard to read and it needs to be fixed. Consider asking them to help. Nothing is written in stone.

It is a bad idea to reveal your real Identity to our Great Enemy. The commie Feminists and their “White Knights” have too much power. They lie all the time for sport and profit. They control the courts and a man is treated as guilty until proven innocent. It is the reason many of us have abandoned the foolishness of the MRA movement and went MGTOW.

That being said,

Wow SM.

Your web site is amazing!

One of my favorite Science Fiction series is Hammer’s Slammers by David Drake.

You have done things with your life and mastered skills that I dream about.

SpaceMonkey wrote:

…….I have been recently considering going back to college. I have some college but I wasted my time,…….

I spent too much time chasing that sheep skin from Academia which is controlled by communists, even in Engineering and the Hard Sciences. The crap they taught only made me more foolish.

Here is a typical example of the kind of life for a man in Academia:
Last month, my National Science Foundation grant was sabotaged by a lying Whore who made false harassment charges against me. The Degenerate F~~ who runs the Institution I work out of has been covering for this useless Whore and now he has kicked me and my students out of the lab.

Lately, I have been recommending the following YouTube Video by Mike Rowe which talks about following opportunities instead of “passion:”

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[ThanasiParticipant 428]

Anonymous wrote:

SpaceMonkey wrote:

Straight up, I was always second place to everyone. To her the kids were ahead of me. To the kids, their bio was ahead of me. But they all expected to be MY number one priority!

She’ll make it clear that her relatives are more essential to her life than you.
She’ll make it clear that her friends are more essential to her life than you.
She made it clear that one oz of happiness to her children had more weight than a pound of pain to me.
In one case, she made out some idiot who came to the door complaining was more important than me,,,haha,,,,,that was the beggining of the end.

Mirrored my situation. Women do just come out and say it, and in the end you have to take them at their word with no pinch of salt.

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