Just read "The Manipulated Man"

[Gratus84Participant 60]

A sobering read. I am at a loss of how to handle women now, and just how deep this rabbit hole goes.

Anybody read this have anything to add?

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

It’s a fkr of a bitter pill. I was scared to turn another page.

Eventually I read it in small chunks so I could calm down between.

Bitter but a very good cure for those still thinking sugar and spice crap.

[DiygkasParticipant 103]

A wonderfull book. It seems to me that, as many MGTOWers predicted, women will try to go back to a traditional society to get back men’s favor. Unfortenatelly, for us, the shelter of traditionalism is no longer available after a good look on Esther Villar’s words.

There is left wing vs right wing, there is feminism talking about patriarchy and traditionalists talking about family… truth is we do live in a patriarchy, and it is completely ginocentric. We were born men and we are f~~~ed.

For now.

[QcummerParticipant 652]

now go read “The Predatory Female” and then you are on your way to seeing more clearly than ever before….

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Gratus84 wrote:

I am at a loss of how to handle women now

Highly recommended. A must. I actually like the way the author (she) hammers you down to a pulp and reminds you of your place in the world. I was gutted after reading it, but it’s one of the only books I ever read twice. Brutal red pill. It will f~~~ you up for a week for sure.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 29]

Yeah, most men just don’t know how deep this s~~~ goes.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Gut wrenching. Is there anything more gut wrenching than realizing your whole life has been driven by an elaborate swindle?

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[FermatParticipant 3478]

I have not read this book but have heard much about it in the mgtow forums. I really do need to buy it. The fact that it will screw you up mentally means it’s probably life changing.

I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.

[clint englandParticipant 341]

Just purchased it off amazon. Not looking forward to reading it to be honest but if it adds a little more concrete to my mgtow beliefs, then it’s all good!

[RealityBitesParticipant 2203]

I read that book about 9 months ago. I am still grappling with it and coming to terms. It’s something that is very hard for me to accept.

Here are my thoughts on this behavior.

The human species has been around for about 2 million years. Writing and Agriculture has only been around for the last 5000 years. So for approximately 2 million years human beings have lived as hunter/gatherers and scavengers in a very harsh environment. Children take a long time to raise and a lot of resources. Women know this, and they know they couldn’t possibly “do it all” and survive.

So a division of labor arose…the man would go out and risk his life hunting going to war with other tribes etc, and the woman would stay in the cave raising kids. In order for a woman to get what she wanted she had to develop skills to manipulate the man in her life. Much of human behavior is genetic, and so over time these skills for manipulation and deception developed and women got better at it over the millennial, because it was crucial to survival.

So lying and playing deceptive mind games comes as naturally to women…so naturally that it is as unconscious for them as it is breathing. However in order to a woman to insure her offspring have the right set of genetic characteristics she needs a way to filter out males with behavioral traits that are undesirable for survival.

Thus: a more aggressive and violent male is seen to be more sexually attractive than a passive and gentle male. The former would more likely have offspring that would mimic their father’s behavior and be more likely to survive against 4 legged and 2 legged predators. A woman spends her days doing nothing but filtering out men.

The easiest way to filter out a man is to tell him that she is looking for a man who is gentle and sensitive: a male feminist so to speak, etc. If a man does this he is automatically disqualified as a mate and becomes a “friend”. Children will NOT always do something they’ve been taught to do, some children no matter how much they’ve been taught to behave a certain way will do the opposite because they are hardwired that way. Thus an Alpha male child will naturally be selfish and aggressive in spite of whatever he has been taught, whereas a Beta male child will be compliant and will seek to please his mother and other females.

This is done in order to help other females filter out males with undesirable behavioral characteristics, and thus breed more aggressive children. However Alpha males are not always successful, because it is the Beta males who usually invent things…new tools, fire, upgrading from a spear to a Bow and Arrow, Agriculture, Animal Husbandry, etc.

And since alpha males in are in a minority and an even much smaller minority are successful alpha males. There aren’t enough Alpha males to go around for all of the women. So a woman will do a double mating strategy. F~~~ an Alpha male before or during her cohabitation with a successful Beta male and pass off the child as the Beta male’s.

Men naturally want to ensure that their DNA makes it into the Gene pool, and children are very expensive in resources. So men tend to be very sensitive in noticing differences in how a child looks and behaves. It also explains why men don’t marry sluts. If a man wants to marry and start a family he wants a woman who will be faithful to him and not cheat on him. This conflicts with a woman’s desire to have children from an Alpha male…so she is naturally going to develop skills at being very deceptive and manipulative.

Books and postings by the PUA community has noted this, and goes into great detail on what NOT to do in order to get laid. ie. DON’T give a woman compliments, flowers or comply with her requests. The NON-Compliance and lack of interest from a male (ESPECIALLY WHEN THE WOMAN IS VERY ATTRACTIVE) makes the guy stand out and focuses the woman’s attention on that ‘selfish’ guy (a man who puts his own interests ahead of a woman’s).
This type of behavior is very attractive to women.

So…the mere act of a woman requesting something from a man is in itself a disqualification test. Comply and you are automatically disqualified. ONLY through non-compliance and teasing…is a man considered to be attractive.

Get a very expensive sports car, wear some nice clothes and shoes, have an expensive pinky ring and be a SOB and women will be in continuous heat everytime you go near them.

[FrankOneParticipant 1443]

I read it a few months ago. I live in a major metropolitan area, it was surprising when I searched for it, no copies. We might want to buy them and donate to our local libraries, along with some other classics. It is available free online, but is copyrighted.

[JustfiguredthingsoutParticipant 23]

Just bought the book…I found it on iBooks

[UntamedParticipant]

Keymaster wrote:

Gratus84 wrote:

I am at a loss of how to handle women now

Highly recommended. A must. I actually like the way the author (she) hammers you down to a pulp and reminds you of your place in the world. I was gutted after reading it, but it’s one of the only books I ever read twice. Brutal red pill. It will f~~~ you up for a week for sure.

The book jumped at me one day at a second-hand bookstore. I proceeded to read it and the more I read the more I realized how precarious my position was. I became sick as her points hammered home and remember thinking Damn! How blind have I lived all those years!

RoyDal wrote:

Gut wrenching. Is there anything more gut wrenching than realizing your whole life has been driven by an elaborate swindle?

Exactly.

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[The Long WalkParticipant 1282]

Found it on youtube. I listen to a little bit while doing other things usually, pretty hardline stuff imo. While she does have some valid points, I do think she goes a little too far with her condemnation of women and apparent worship of men.

[Total LeeParticipant 1573]

I am grateful for the author writing it some 35 years ago. She received death threats for it, just like mgtow do. “Men might like her, but women will hate her” is one of the reviews I saw. You can look for the PDF online. I think someone posted a link to it in the forums a few times.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

So, does MGTOW speaking highly of her book count as a woman infiltrating MGTOW? :-P. I saw some videos that said NO WOMEN IN MGTOW. Does that include material written by women? For myself, I don’t care where information comes from, just that it is of value to me.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Gratus84Participant 60]

Qcummer wrote:

now go read “The Predatory Female” and then you are on your way to seeing more clearly than ever before….

Well, I started it last night and just finished it now. I have been struggling with a cold my roommate brought home. The last part of the book around page 150 was very hilarious. Translating what a woman says and what it really means. It might be posted on here somewhere but I’ll share some snippets with you guys I reflected on in my past dealings in my brief 31 years on this planet.

I WANT YOU TO MEET MY FAMILY.
She doesn’t want you to meet her family, she
wants them to meet you to evaluate your
financial prospects.

When I finally met my previous ex’s family four years ago when I was a roofing contractor she bragged to them at dinner to tell them how I made 20,000$ one month.

YOU ARE GOING TO END UP A
LONELY OLD MAN.
You have refused to allow her to con you into
the matrimonial hustle and she resents you for
it.

January of 2013 I was in a short relationship with a real predatory type, not like boomerang, much more ruthless. I was fed up with her bulls~~~ when she came over one day and met my mom who was visiting at the time, and tattled on me, vouching information to her (eating fast food, playing video games). This created an argument when I called her out on that and expressed my disapproval and she was “just being honest and not going to lie”. Of course she will lie whenever it suits her agenda. I told her to just leave and went to the other room to lift weights and ignore her. She followed me in and started calling me a jerk and an asshole and I reiterated my position. She said I would never land a girlfriend and be alone if I didn’t act like a gentlemen. My response (although four weeks later she reduced me to a skeleton of a human being), I told her I don’t need a woman I am happy alone. Let me be a gentlemen and SHOW YOU TO THE DOOR! Blah blah blah you’re mean… BYE! I AM BEING A GENTLEMEN YOU NEED TO LEAVE.

That night I got a message on Facebook from her that was similar to:

WE NEED TO HAVE A TALK.
You haven’t been as obedient as her roommate’s
boyfriend and it’s becoming socially
embarrassing for her.

So that we didn’t have little fights like this. Yeah ok. Whatever.

YOU’RE NOT THE PERSON YOU WERE
WHEN WE MET.
The Walt Disney ending to your affair that
she and her pedestrian friends expected did
not materialize. Moreover, you’ve stopped
grinning stupidly while she makes long distance
calls from your phone.

I’M LOOKING FOR A STABLE,
MATURE, KIND, RESPONSIBLE MAN
WHO IS FINANCIALLY SECURE,
CONSIDERATE OF MY NEEDS, GIVES
ME MY OWN SPACE, AND SHARES MY
INTERESTS.
Another self-centered predatory female,
totally lacking in originality, who gets her
lines from the “personal” ads in the local
singles rag. This is a girl who demands her
support payments on time and will expect you
to be cheerful about it.

Every woman’s online dating profile ^

I’M NOT THAT KIND OF GIRL.
Pure donkey dung. An hour ago she was at
the gynecologist’s office letting a perfect
stranger finger f~~~ her in the name of
modern medicine.

Anytime someone tells you what they are NOT, you can bet they are lying.

WHAT DO YOU DO?
Probably the most common question posed
by the predatory female in a social setting. A
quickie audit of your financial potential.

I’ve started an experiment with lying and playing the cat and mouse game. Snake charming is fun. I am surprisingly a little less cynical.

CAN’T WE DO SOMETHING ALONE
FOR A CHANGE?
You aren’t accessible enough when protected
by friends and loved ones

ARE YOU MARRIED?
Are you the only one spending your money?

ARE YOU DIVORCED?
If you fell once, you could fall again.
Predators are always attracted to the vulnerable

There are others… One take away from reading both “The Manipulated Man” and “The Predatory Female” is the concept of the social chameleon. I will make a post in the online dating section from an encounter from today that I am currently playing out as an experiment.

[EntropyParticipant 902]

I read this online, then immediately went out and BOUGHT a copy (gasp) so I could force myself to read it annually… I may make it my new valentines day tradition (its a short but VERY important read).

"Compare your lives to mine and then kill yourselves" -BBR

[Gratus84Participant 60]

Entropy wrote:

I read this online, then immediately went out and BOUGHT a copy (gasp) so I could force myself to read it annually… I may make it my new valentines day tradition (its a short but VERY important read).

Yeah I am going to buy both those books and put them on my shelf.

Here’s the link to the TL&DR section looking at things in the new light regarding online dating for more perspective SUBJECT 001

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

I have heard of this book, but just now started reading it. Nothing earth shattering yet; but the following observation of how women view the admiration of other WOMEN in contrast to the admiration of MEN is so. F~~~ing. True… –

But if another woman should turn to look – a rare occurrence, for her own judgment is
infinitely more remorseless than that of a man – her day is made. She has achieved
the impossible – the recognition, admiration, and `love’ of other women.

I recognized this at a fairly early age, but she puts it so succinctly and powefully. The very first time this dawned on me I was in the magazine section of a book store. Male Interest section: pictures of sexy women on all the covers. Female Interest section: pictures of sexy women on all the covers.

The author here, though, gives SUCH a distinct and profound insight for the explanation:

Women realize mens approval and admiration is EASY. To gain that from other women: a virtual impossibility.

F~~~ing brilliant observation. I take it even a step further in that what exactly does it take for women to realize other women have value? Nothing more than aesthetic appeal. No intelligence. No utility. Nothing to offer other than eye candy.

Amazing, in a disgusting observation.

Resident cynic.

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