"Just give her a chance!"

[RockmaninoffParticipant 1641]

I treat all individuals (including women) according to their own behavior. When I start to interact with her, she’s a zero to me (I neither think she’s terrible nor think she’s a god).

My modus operandi nowadays is that if she doesn’t put out on the first date, or failing that she rejects as a second date my place, I cut off contact with her. My reasoning is thus: women have absolutely zero compunction about putting out for guys they met ten minutes ago at a club. Why should I have to wait when they don’t make other men wait?

My only worry is that I’m selecting only for sluts who can’t keep their legs closed, and that the girl who really likes me and wants to spend a little time with me before sex is going to get rejected. I know that most women are sluts, but isn’t the point of dating trying to find the diamond in the mountain of s~~~?

A lot of guys, including Tom Leykis, recommend a three date rule: if she doesn’t put out in three dates, she’s gone. But for me, that’s waaay too long. What, I gotta put up with her bulls~~~ for damn near a month (assuming we have a date once a week or so), I have to jump through hoops and qualify myself to her, while she gets my time, attention, and validation?

Every time I’ve waited for sex, I’ve regretted it, and never gotten sex. Conversely, I have gotten laid after only one date by saying: “Either f~~~ me right now, or don’t contact me again.”

Is there a happy medium?

". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée

[Nathan R. JessepParticipant 1102]

If all you want to do is get laid then you’re doing the right thing not wasting time.

If you want a relationship then this strategy isn’t going to work – like you said you’re going to end up with a slut. Stop focusing on the sex and only hang out with women you like to be with. Do things with her that YOU like to do and don’t cost much money. Regardless of whether you’re banging her don’t waste your time on a chick that doesn’t treat your time as valuable or give you attention and validation.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Nodded loudly in response to your first two paragraphs. Sensible.

Rockmaninoff wrote:

A lot of guys, including Tom Leykis, recommend….

Yes but you don’t have to live by the same rules. That’s just what THEY say. Use it as a guideline if you like. Women who WANT to have sex with you will not play these silly games.

Rockmaninoff wrote:

isn’t the point of dating trying to find the diamond in the mountain of s~~~?

No. The purpose of “dating” is to get laid. So why get ahead of yourself? That “diamond” isn’t just going to appear. There is time and effort involved. It’s not even up to you. It’s up to her. It’s not your job to go looking for this mythical “diamond”.

You’re absolutely right about refusing not to wait if she has had flings in shorter time before you. That excuse “well I want to wait because I think you could be someone I really LIKE” is the female hamster in overdrive. She puts out quicker for guys she doesn’t like? But waits for guys she DOES?? Mmmmmm no.

Rockmaninoff wrote:

Is there a happy medium?

Modern women have placed themselves in a sort of “catch 22” situation. If she puts out too quickly, she is afraid of looking “easy”. But what’s the alternative? Being difficult??

Personally, when we couldn’t keep our hands off each other and went to bed right away, I don’t consider this a “PROBLEM”. Only women consider it a problem, because a “slut” will always lower every whore’s price. This struggle is between women and other women. It’s not your concern.

I have never NOT called her again JUST because sex happened on the first date. In fact, when it happens right away, I am more likely to call her again. On the other hand, I have also WANTED to wait before too. It depends.

But if she even tried that power play, or “no sex for you tonight, mister”…. I would just get up and leave here there and say “watch me”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

AWALT.

The minute a woman starts s~~~ testing me it’s over. Gone, next. I don’t wait around for that s~~~. Women have nothing to offer other than pussy these days, I’m no gonna pay for a date and not get pussy. It’s like paying to go to a job interview where I’m the one getting interviewed. That would be nonsense. And these airheads obviously aren’t good company, maybe if they were I would take them on a date for it’s own sake, but women have never f~~~ing been that way.

Make up your own rule, man. Just know that some women want to see how much they can get away with. Some women are looking for a man to pay all the bills without getting anything in return(pay for a date, not get pussy) and for men to be fine with that. That way she has a slave to take care of the bills while she whores around. Conversely, why get a long term relationship with a slut? My happy medium is to ignore these c~~~s altogether.

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

Relationship? with a woman?

You think that’s up to you?

Even if you THINK you’re in one … does she?

Just like marriage and divorce … relationships are for women and gays.

The only real relationship a man can have is with a dog.

It’s s~~~ I know but I hope that stops the confusion.

Remember that old saying…

If they didn’t have a pussy you’d have nothing to do with them.

[RockmaninoffParticipant 1641]

Nathan R. Jessep wrote:

Stop focusing on the sex and only hang out with women you like to be with.

Please tell me how you’ve done this. Also, please let me know how you’ve managed to breathe on Mars.

Keymaster wrote:

No. The purpose of “dating” is to get laid

Oh yeah, that’s right! I totally forgot. Thanks for reminding me, man.

Keymaster wrote:

if she has had flings in shorter time before you.

Which is every woman.

". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée

[MattNYCParticipant 2329]

Keymaster wrote:

You’re absolutely right about refusing not to wait if she has had flings in shorter time before you. That excuse “well I want to wait because I think you could be someone I really LIKE” is the female hamster in overdrive. She puts out quicker for guys she doesn’t like? But waits for guys she DOES??

It took me a long time to figure out the difference between a woman “liking” a man, versus “being attracted” to him.

Like -> She wants you to pay for dinner & no kiss
Attraction -> She doesn’t know your name but wants you to f~~~ her in the dirty dive bar bathroom

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

MattNYC wrote:

Like -> She wants you to pay for dinner & no kiss
Attraction -> She doesn’t know your name but wants you to f~~~ her in the dirty dive bar bathroom

If someone somewhere had only told me this iron truth when I we 15—God how things would have been different.

[RockmaninoffParticipant 1641]

MattNYC wrote:

It took me a long time to figure out the difference between a woman “liking” a man, versus “being attracted” to him.

Recently, I had a date (no sex), and afterward she texted me saying: “I really enjoyed hanging out with you. You seem like a really nice guy.”

And I was all like, f~~~, well that’s another fish lost.

". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

Why the f~~~ should we?

If your not 6 feet tall, or make 50 grand, or have a car, or a mansion, or a college degree, or a gay tattoo, she wont give you a chance.

F~~~ them!

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Rockmaninoff wrote:

My modus operandi nowadays is that if she doesn’t put out on the first date, or failing that she rejects as a second date my place, I cut off contact with her.

I take the exact opposite approach. I friend zone them from the outset and then leave it to them to try to earn their way out of it.

Oh, and I NEVER bring any of them home. Ever. Always at her place. Never at mine.

Let her see what you have, and she’ll only start thinking of ways to take it from you. And if she turns out to be crazy, and they’re all crazy, the last thing you want is her knowing your address if things go south.

Keymaster wrote:

No. The purpose of “dating” is to get laid.

Hate to disagree with you there, but dating is just a ritual on the road to marriage. If you don’t plan on ever getting married (and why would any sane man?) then there’s no reason to date women. Besides, a man can get all the benefits of dating without ever actually dating. In my experience, spending money on women makes them less likely to want to f~~~ you.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Rockmaninoff wrote:

Oh yeah, that’s right! I totally forgot. Thanks for reminding me, man.

Pleasure.

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Rockmaninoff wrote:

“Stop focusing on the sex and only hang out with women you like to be with”.

Please tell me how you’ve done this. Also, please let me know how you’ve managed to breathe on Mars.

Actually it’s the other way around. Sex is the FIRST (and only?) reason to associate with females. It’s biological destiny. And you don’t need to “like” her, just like she doesn’t ned to “like” that jerk/asshole she f~~~ed.

Attraction doesn’t depend on you “liking” each other as @mattnyc pointed out……

MattNYC wrote:

It took me a long time to figure out the difference between a woman “liking” a man, versus “being attracted” to him.

If we waited around for women we actually LIKED – and the desire for sex hinged on that – so many hot bitches out there would never get laid. So it works out perfectly for everyone.

Quite seriously.

You don’t need to “like” her for sex to take place. And she doesn’t need to like you either. Ask anyone who has enjoyed a good hate f~~~. And if that’s not enough, ask a whore who doesn’t even need to know your name.

But you DO need to like her for “a relationship”.

Confusing “like” with attraction is a BIG mistake. Too many guys waste far too much effort and energy caring about making women “like” them thinking it’s going to increase her attraction for him. It’s patently false.

Let a woman hate you. Have the b~~~~ to let her HATE you.
Because it will never stand in the way of her wanting to you to f~~~ her.

You don’t have to like it.
It’s just the way things are.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[PhantomParticipant 3328]

Keymaster wrote:

Too many guys waste far too much effort and energy caring about making women “like” them thinking it’s going to increase her attraction for him. False.

I wish I had known that before wasting 16 years of my life to learn it.

It doesn’t even work on wives. I tried it for years.

PistolPete wrote:

If someone somewhere had only told me this iron truth when I we 15—God how things would have been different.

Part of me wishes I had known it in my youth as well, but then I probably would have the oops pregnancy happen even sooner.

Just give her a chance? I am all gived out, she can give me one now.

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