Jury duty and other civic obligations

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I understand the importance of jury duty to the functioning of society. There are other activities, call them civic obligations, which are important (like voting). I am pondering this a bit, because I was called into jury duty recently, and realized how much of a burden on a number of levels it is (particularly financially). It is possible to get out if it, if you really want. There is nothing I gain from it at all.

So, with this, I am starting a discussion thread related to civic obligations and a man going his own way. There is nothing to gain by me personally doing it, outside of random experience. So, when it comes to civic obligations, what are your thoughts there? If I am going to opt out of lot, is it not appropriate for me to do the absolute minimum for society and spend as much as I can to improve my situation. I am going my own way, partly, because life hasn’t worked right for me, I faced lies of social norms telling me to get a college degree and debt, and other BS. I don’t feel I owe society anything actually, but will pay the minimum, and just work on myself.

Maybe I am wrong. What are your thoughts.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[WPLParticipant 2390]

I know that some people will disagree here, but I feel that COMPELLING people to serve on a jury is unconstitutional on several grounds: a.) The First Amendment right of free assembly ALSO protects the right to NOT assemble — that is, protects against being forced to join any group; b.) the Thirteenth Amendment’s prohibition on involuntary servitude; c.) It deprives liberty and property (my employer does not pay for absences due to jury duty).

Now, having said that, if I’m able to serve I would — as a balance against prosecutorial abuse and overreach (via nullification, IF I believe that the accused is innocent or the law is unjust).

[black_knightParticipant 2602]

What would you do if you received a letter drafting you into a war?

[AllenParticipant 146]

WPL wrote:

Now, having said that, if I’m able to serve I would — as a balance against prosecutorial abuse and overreach (via nullification, IF I believe that the accused is innocent or the law is unjust).

Same here… I’m more than willing to serve, but I’ve been turned away every time because I flat-out state that I will not convict on what I view to be a victimless crime or any other law I believe to be unjust.

Woman - I picture a man, then take away reason and accountability. - Melvin Udall

[JuehueParticipant 1316]

The red pills make you see things clearly. I’ll say MGTOW make better juror and judges

[narwhalParticipant]

I’m 45, and somehow never been called into jury duty. I don’t think I’d have a problem with it in general, but I imagine that I would be rather frustrated and disgusted by the behavior and opinions of the other jurors and legal folks involved.

I don’t see voting as an obligation. It’s a right that I can choose to do or not do.

Ok. Then do it.

[Anonymous 14]

I have never answered a Jury summons. They don’t want me, if they do take the time to come pick me up it will be wasted time, as my answer will only be that I refuse to find anyone guilty of anything in a system that never prosecutes the big criminals. So, I would be a defense lawyers wet dream, but no way would I ever make it onto a Jury if I were to be honest about my intents.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22545]

‘Jury selection’ in the U.S. is the most twisted sick injustice of the judicial branch.

‘Jury selection’ has been structured so that only the dumbest, most ignorant dregs of society are selected as jurors. Anyone whom is an intelligent, well informed, critical thinker is denied being a juror on the grounds of being considered “tainted”.

This is why most people detest being selected for jury duty. They know they are not going to get picked for any local cases that might been beneficial to their community, cases which would last only a day or two. And they would only likely be picked for cases outside of their home towns, for cases which would last for months to years, while costing them money and time, where both the prosecution and defense intentionally drag out such cases for as long as possible.

U.S. courts do not have “juries of their peers”. U.S. courts have “juries of the damned”.

[743 roadmasterParticipant]

black_knight wrote:

What would you do if you received a letter drafting you into a war?

If you live in the states, everyone at age 18 has to register for the draft. So jury duty and voting comes down to choice to do or not.

mgtow is its own worst enemy- https://www.campusreform.org/

[GregB0Participant]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

So, when it comes to civic obligations, what are your thoughts there?

I am fortunate to have an employer who pays regular wages for such duty, so there is no income loss.

I feel that it’s part of the cost of living in the U.S., not perfect but it’s an obligation that I am OK with.

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

[ResidentEvil7Participant 9555]

I had to do jury duty once when I was 18, and I hated it! Thank god I was first to go in, unlike my dad when he had to serve, because he was last to do it and didn’t get home until late night.

My case was a man suing another man for a car accident, and I don’t remember what I awarded him, but it wasn’t the full $50K he was after.

Thank god I found out 10 years later that I’m autistic and that excuses me from doing jury duty again. Last thing I want is to sit on a murder trial that could last forever.

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[Anonymous 1]

I’ve got one coming up, so I’ll keep you posted on how it goes.

[black_knightParticipant 2602]

743 roadmaster wrote:

black_knight wrote:

What would you do if you received a letter drafting you into a war?

If you live in the states, everyone at age 18 has to register for the draft. So jury duty and voting comes down to choice to do or not.

Everyone?

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

black_knight wrote:

What would you do if you received a letter drafting you into a war?

They U.S military got rid of the draft for a number of reasons, and I can’t get in for service again, so this is a hypothetical, used to frame a larger issue. If I was enlisted to serve, I would look to do it, with the assumption is that I would get paid. I wouldn’t go about into a position where I would look to drop bombs or kill anyone. I have reasons why I won’t, which come from a larger framework. I recall Tony Campolo asking a military recruiter if Jesus would shoot an enemy with a gun, or drop bombs on them. The recruiter said, “Neither”, and that was his answer. I want to be free to follow ideals, and principles that are better big picture, and ask for that to be respected.

Allen wrote:

WPL wrote:

Now, having said that, if I’m able to serve I would — as a balance against prosecutorial abuse and overreach (via nullification, IF I believe that the accused is innocent or the law is unjust).

Same here… I’m more than willing to serve, but I’ve been turned away every time because I flat-out state that I will not convict on what I view to be a victimless crime or any other law I believe to be unjust.

In my case, I got out of jury duty in the past, when I told the lawyers I didn’t believe in financial compensation for pain and suffering. It was a civil case. I had concerns that I would possibly lead to the entire jury being sent home if I spoke up.

Juehue wrote:

The red pills make you see things clearly. I’ll say MGTOW make better juror and judges

“Red Pill” means so many different things, depending on who is asked, I am not sure I see it. If you mean what I see in MGTOW, it refers to not marrying. If you refer in more alt area, it means not seeing the world. In the context of going my own way, jury duty is both of no benefit to me, and I am so free of social assumptions, I am of no value to them. I have radically different understanding of “justice” (I don’t consider one can ever pay back the debt of a crime, particularly by being restricted in a box), that it would produce odd answers. It is useful from the perspective of discussion, just not from fitting into society. Society pretty much flushed me, and I had to deal with things on my own. My own systems don’t fit elsewhere.

GregB0 wrote:

I am fortunate to have an employer who pays regular wages for such duty, so there is no income loss.

I feel that it’s part of the cost of living in the U.S., not perfect but it’s an obligation that I am OK with.

I found out my employer won’t pay for that day I went in for 3 hours, because after I was done, I didn’t go back to work. I work a later shift, and was supposed to return. The employee manual is unclear. They pay my regular wages, but no paying for the parking, etc… Also, they paid only 2 weeks worth. The case I could of been on would of gone at least 3 weeks. The $40 a day I couldn’t afford. They offered people a chance to opt out, and I did. They promised up to 10 years no longer needing to do jury duty again, to get people to do it.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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