Jan Sobieski – THE MEN WANT YOU BACK

[bladeParticipant]

Goodkid lost his s~~~ overnight . I left a link on jans thread to where goodkid left an arsehole reply to me to .

Just so jan knows it wasn’t him .

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22534]

I like all good contributors to this place that do not kick up drama just for s~~~s and grins and become detrimental to being a place guys like to hang out and can be themselves here.

Being open and themselves <> being f~~~ing assholes to everyone. Like another post said earlier on a related topic, if a guy comes to your party and starts fights and s~~~s in the pool, that’s not ” being himself” and acceptable.

Jan never has come across as being a poster that picks fights or f~~~s with people. Least I can’t recall it, I admit I probably don’t read every single thing he posts.

This thread people are referring to struck me as “weird” and I didn’t get it, didn’t put a lot of effort into figuring it out, and went on. Maybe he was depressed or having a bad day, maybe was having a hard time expressing what he wanted to say. Maybe during these times its just good to step away from the keyboard for awhile and take a breather. I do.

I don’t think it should ever come to the point people get so p~~~ed off or depressed they want to leave a place, if they are not a merchant of chaos at the site and are just living to f~~~ things up for everyone there.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[MoreSkyParticipant 4865]

Agreed.

Jan is a good bloke.

Signed.

"...reinvent your life because you must; it is your life and its history and the present belong only to you.” It is Your Life, Charles Bukowski.

[bladeParticipant]

JUST REMEMBER JAN IT WASN’T JUST YOU HE TARGETED .

He picked jan for his focus target because he felt he was an easy target .

There was a few f~~~ed up remarks i found on others threads after i found mine .

Thats why i ignored it .

But goodkid was on here for that day purely to fight wich i thought was totally out of his normal charecter .

I hold nothing against goodkid because he might have something like a mental health problem of some kind .

I really feel there was more to his outburst than it been some plan to troll us or any s~~~ like that .

So i hope jans ok and goodkid too

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[RedDawnParticipant 1391]

Jan’s a good bloke, hope to see him around.

Courage is the key to life itself - Morgan Freeman

[IRuleMeParticipant]

blade wrote:

Goodkid lost his s~~~ overnight . I left a link on jans thread to where goodkid left an arsehole reply to me to .

Just so jan knows it wasn’t him .

I think goodkid might be an infiltrator tbh.

[MarketWatcherParticipant]

Jan helped me change my life. Goodkid has f~~~ed with the wrong mother f~~~er. I suspect “Michael” aka goodkid43 is a troll at least or a woman that has infiltrated long enough to get a few hundred +1.

If Jan is not back by tomorrow and goodkid is the reason there will be hell to pay.

[Anonymous 14]

MarketWatcher wrote:

Jan helped me change my life. Goodkid has f~~~ed with the wrong mother f~~~er. I suspect “Michael” aka goodkid43 is a troll at least or a woman that has infiltrated long enough to get a few hundred +1.

If Jan is not back by tomorrow and goodkid is the reason there will be hell to pay.

There is already a line formed around the block to confront this individual Brother.
Jan goes first.
Oh, and “good”kid, your car is a piece of s~~~ fwiw. You f~~~ed with the wrong MAN kid.

[MarketWatcherParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

There is already a line formed around the block to confront this individual Brother.
Jan goes first

Got it. I reserve the third spot in that line. Post a topic goodkid and see how many men you have p~~~ed off. I predict an empty chair or an epic beat down.

Several of us have tried to contact Jan and have not heard back. I am getting worried.

[goodkid43Spectator 550]

Anonymous wrote:

MG-ɹǝʍo┴ wrote:

F~~~ with an autistic and that’s what you get.

What happened? Who f~~~ed with him? And why? Bad move!

Hey Jan, You still have dear friends here and always will, FOREVER!

GoodKid43, started attacking Jan out of nowhere. @goodkid43 If Jan quit over that s~~~, then F~~~ YOU!!!

The sins in your own head

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Actually, the opposite is true. I criticized the title of the song because of its moral relativism. I did not attack him personally. I would not do that. Actually, in response to my rational criticism, he attacked me by calling me a “moron”.

What I am trying to do is take the conversation to a higher plane of intellectual dialogue. This site is one of the few places where one can be criticized and criticize. One can ignore or one can engage.

I have read many of Jan Sobieski’s comments and find some enlightening and some simply wrong and dangerous in relation to ethics, morality and religion.

I tried to articulate as succinctly as possible, why the song is counter to ALL that MGTOW stands for. Jan is an atheist and an intelligent one. I know how he argues in subtle ways to get his point across. I have been reading him for a few years.

This is the glory of this site. The more we contribute the more we reveal our philosophy of life. I am not afraid of criticism. I have learned the hard way that not considering criticism from your friends AND enemies (I do not consider Jan an enemy).

However, I have found that, over and over and over again, atheists feel free to criticize Christianity. Which is their right. But when someone like myself who is well verse in the inconsistencies of atheism calls them out, they have a hissy fit. In other words, they can attack my faith/philosophy but I cant attack theirs.

This situation is related to X11. He has some decent criticisms but his personal attacks obfuscate his sometimes insightful questions and challenges.

When Jan comments, I tend to focus on what he says and not skim as I may do other commentators for various reasons.

I am asking Jan, to consider the lurkers who we are witnessing to in some form or fashion, similar to Christian missionaries.

I appeal to Jan, do not forget these men and the suffering they have been through and and the power of this site to prevent unnecessary suffering. The historical Jan Sobieski would have it no other way.

God bless, Michael

[Anonymous 14]

goodkid43 wrote:

I criticized the title of the song because of its moral relativism.

I have read many of Jan Sobieski’s comments and find some enlightening and some simply wrong and dangerous in relation to ethics, morality and religion.

However, I have found that, over and over and over again, atheists feel free to criticize Christianity. Which is their right. But when someone like myself who is well verse in the inconsistencies of atheism calls them out, they have a hissy fit. In other words, they can attack my faith/philosophy but I cant attack theirs.

This situation is related to X11.

I am asking Jan, to consider the lurkers who we are witnessing to in some form or fashion, similar to Christian missionaries.

God bless, Michael

Like I said, the kid is just drinking too much Jesus Juice and views the world entirely based on how it relates to his religion, nothing else matters. His is on a mission, a mission from God.

The hilarity of saying Atheists are inconstant is astounding when Atheism is nothing more than a lack of belief in something. It is as consistent as anything can be. We have no book that proves itself to be inconsistent like yours does at every turn. Men like you live your entire lives based on inconsistency and varying forms of interpretation thereof yet here you are trying to project that onto those who do not operate according to your fantasy.

Religion is best when it is kept to yourself. Asshole.

I don’t walk around placating to the fantasies of Leftists in identity crises, and I sure as f~~~ will not be participating in your fantasies as well on any level.

There would be no Atheist pushback at all if s~~~ heels like you didn’t insert religion into everything.

There is no God,
Joe

[MarketWatcherParticipant]

I am waiting until I talk to Jan.

This will not be forgotten.

[Anonymous 14]

MarketWatcher wrote:

I am waiting until I talk to Jan.

This will not be forgotten.

This ^ and a thread bump.

As far as you are concerned goodkid43, all I read from you here is obfuscation. How did you draw “lurkers” into this?
I fail to see an apology in there whatsoever.

[Joey AlfioParticipant]

goodkid43 wrote:

What I am trying to do is take the conversation to a higher plane of intellectual dialogue.

You can’t expect that to happen when people are trying to make sense of what you’re saying in the first place.

Δεν υπάρχει τίποτε αδύνατο γι’ αυτόν που θα προσπαθήσει. - Μέγας Αλέξανδρος

[Remove me!Participant]

@goodkid43 I’m a devout follower of Christ. I inject my beliefs in a few threads here and there, but I don’t argue religion, but that’s fine if you do. But to go for the knees is not cool. You’re attack wasn’t warranted.

I definitely do not agree with Jan’s atheistic views, but I don’t try to blindside him off the battlefield.

Like a bird on the wire, like a drunk midnight choir, I have tried in my way to be free.

[Anonymous 14]

[Anonymous 12]

Good bye. I won’t be back. Until men want me back.

i do not know if in your view i count as a man…
but let me sign this s~~~ right here anyway.

Bob

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