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FIRST TIME AS A RED-PILLER/MGTOW that I’ve realized a girl is trying to exploit me….
Ok let me set the scene.
I have a very good friend; he’s loyal, intelligent, helpful, happy….there’s just one problem…he has a very low opinion of himself and no self-esteem. He’s such a blue-piller. He says things like “I am not good enough for women to ever want me” or “I want to get limb-lengthening surgery done to make myself more attractive to women.” He’s 5’7 btw. Anyways, despite all his insecurities, I hang out with him a lot because he’s a great guy, has a very innocent heart, and is just a blast to be around.So he tells me that there is this student in the class below me (IDK how he knows her), and she is getting freaked out by a class she’s taking that i had done pretty well in (came #1 in class :P). Anyways, he asked me if he could give my info to her and if I could calm her down. Now obviously, he’s smitten by her and is trying to impress her by doing favors for her (that’s my guess as to why he asked). He knows I’m MGTOW. Anyways, initially i said no and made it clear that I won’t help her and that i’m too busy. However, I later backtracked because I remembered how much this class had me stressed before I took it, so I said OK, just for you.
This girl just e-mailed me, and here is an (edited) version of the e-mail. Edited only to remove personal identifying information. and I have no idea how to respond.
“Hello OneforFreedom,
My name is [Girl]. [Your Awesome Friend] asked you yesterday if you can help me with [This incredibly difficult course], and today he told me that you accepted. First of all thanks a lot for that I really appreciate that, specially that he told me that you are extremely busy with your classes. could you tell me what time you can be available during the week in the campus. I need any material that could help me studying and preparing for the Quizes and the exams. Anything that I can practice with, plus notes. Right now, I am struggling writing the lab report, the first one, I was not feeling well last week when performed the experiment, and I can’t remember anything. If I can see yours and use it as a reference it will be great. Seriously, anything would help!
Again, I really appreciate your help.
[Girl]”Now, to me, there are a few problems with this.
1. Plagiarism? Hello? She wants to use my report that took me hours to prepare? Plagiarism is punishable by expulsion, and it’s for both me and her! Btw, the first lab was SUPER easy compared to the future ones. And she asked for it so brazenly in her FIRST COMMUNICATION WITH ME? I DON’T EVEN KNOW THIS GIRL.
2. Why didn’t she take notes on the lab? It’s required to maintain a lab notebook and record as you go so you don’t have to rely on memory.
3. “I need” “I am struggling” “I was not feeling well” “I can’t remember anything”- omg the excuses are real.So how do I respond to this? I’m split between 1) ignoring and 2) writing a rude e-mail and 3) writing a kind e-mail politely telling her to f~~~ off.
Do not touch this one. Plagiarism will get you expelled from school.
She can pay for a tutor, either through the school system or a private enterprise. (Ditto getting papers written.)
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
Anonymous18the first lab was SUPER easy compared to the future ones.
She doesn’t shy away from setting a precedent where it’d be acceptable for her to steal all the labs and coast through the course. All the while she is “struggling, not feeling well, can’t remember anything” from last night with Honcho Stud Football player.
The issue is with your pussy friend. Why do you keep a man with low self esteem around you? Innocent heart? You already said low self esteem. It comes across as harmless but it’s poison. For you.
This woman has assumed that you are another mangina by association simply by your friend’s supposedly pandering to her whims. “Hey I have smart ass friend I am close to, let me see if he can help you out with this”. You see the woman herself didn’t have to do a whole lot here. I can bet he offered your help without asking you and she didn’t have to ask if he knew anyone who could help.
I’d reply to her politely stating you are more than happy to answer SPECIFIC questions she has about the labs/courseware but I am mindful of plagiarism and its consequences. She is dripping with entitlement and victimhood, not sure your friend will benefit from licking that off. The email was pretty generic to a point I’d say she is fishing for as much as she can get out of you.
Perhaps, pay attention to how your friend acts around this woman. I have a hunch he’s behaving like a pathetic jerk-a-thon bitch thinking of this girl and all the nice things he wants to do with her that don’t involve touching.
There is nothing in it my friend. It only gives her that extra night of girls night out or to f~~~ bad boy Jackson while your friend wastes your time about how he can go at lengths to be with this girl.
So how do I respond to this? I’m split between 1) ignoring and 2) writing a rude e-mail and 3) writing a kind e-mail politely telling her to f~~~ off.
Option #3 is your only choice. If you ignore her or tell her to f~~~-off, she can run to whatever pity party services the school provides and makes all sorts of claims against you. The question now is how much do you want to sugar coat your reply.
Terse & Somewhat Helpful – I can point you to which materials to review, but studying and preparing is entirely your own job. I will review your lab report and make suggestions, but you may not use mine because I don’t feel comfortable with sharing graded coursework.
Terse & Minimally Helpful – It seems you need more help than I can provide or feel comfortable providing. Let me suggest you talk to your TA/proctor/professor/whatever and inform them of your problems.
As you note, this young woman, like all woman, is full of excuses. Do not help in her substantive way. Let me also suggest that you save all e-mails from her and limit your reply to one e-mail only. Schools have become as dangerous as marriage to young men and you’re going to need a paper trail to protect yourself from her most likely responses.
Finally, your passive-aggressive blue pill friend imposed on your friendship in the hopes this woman will deign to notice him. He’s as much to blame for this situation as the woman wanting to coast on her “golden vagina”. You need to tell him this straight out and also tell him that your continued friendship will depend on him not using you in this manner ever again.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
Do not touch this one. Plagiarism will get you expelled from school.
She can pay for a tutor, either through the school system or a private enterprise. (Ditto getting papers written.)
The professor has free office hours, and tutors are free through the school. She doesn’t even have to pay.
She doesn’t shy away from setting a precedent where it’d be acceptable for her to steal all the labs and coast through the course. All the while she is “struggling, not feeling well, can’t remember anything” from last night with Honcho Stud Football player.
The issue is with your pussy friend. Why do you keep a man with low self esteem around you? Innocent heart? You already said low self esteem. It comes across as harmless but it’s poison. For you.
This woman has assumed that you are another mangina by association simply by your friend’s supposedly pandering to her whims. “Hey I have smart ass friend I am close to, let me see if he can help you out with this”. You see the woman herself didn’t have to do a whole lot here. I can bet he offered your help without asking you and she didn’t have to ask if he knew anyone who could help.
I’d reply to her politely stating you are more than happy to answer SPECIFIC questions she has about the labs/courseware but I am mindful of plagiarism and its consequences. She is dripping with entitlement and victimhood, not sure your friend will benefit from licking that off. The email was pretty generic to a point I’d say she is fishing for as much as she can get out of you.
Perhaps, pay attention to how your friend acts around this woman. I have a hunch he’s behaving like a pathetic jerk-a-thon bitch thinking of this girl and all the nice things he wants to do with her that don’t involve touching.
There is nothing in it my friend. It only gives her that extra night of girls night out or to f~~~ bad boy Jackson while your friend wastes your time about how he can go at lengths to be with this girl.
In order of your points:
1. Huh- interesting- I didn’t think this could be used to set precedent. Thanks for that perspective!
2. Re. my friend- there are so many backstabbers in this world man.. It’s hard to find someone with a good head on his shoulders and who is reliable/trustworthy. I’m trying to show him the MGTOW way but the self-degrading is entrenched…but I love him like a brother.
3. Nope he didn’t offer my help without asking me. I asked him this; he asked me first then told her.
4. Ok I’ll take your suggested response down and think about it; I’m quite angry with how she wanted to exploit…i’ve got a good portion of my mind not wanting to respond at all.
5. I just messaged him and told him we need to talk. He’s telling me that he doesn’t know her that well- she’s just a friend of a friend.Thank you for your responses.
Isn’t it totally amazing the way a woman has no problem telling you what she WANTS and NEEDS while completely leaving out what’s in it for you – or what she is prepared to do for it??
No response is the best response.
Ask yourself: “Am I compelled to respond to this? Do I even WANT to respond to this?” The reason you’re looking for a response is because you’re first gut reaction to make NO response is the correct one. There is no need to create a response here. “I need” doesn’t make it your JOB to give it to her.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Option #3 is your only choice. If you ignore her or tell her to f~~~-off, she can run to whatever pity party services the school provides and makes all sorts of claims against you. The question now is how much do you want to sugar coat your reply.
Terse & Somewhat Helpful – I can point you to which materials to review, but studying and preparing is entirely your own job. I will review your lab report and make suggestions, but you may not use mine because I don’t feel comfortable with sharing graded coursework.
Terse & Minimally Helpful – It seems you need more help than I can provide or feel comfortable providing. Let me suggest you talk to your TA/proctor/professor/whatever and inform them of your problems.
As you note, this young woman, like all woman, is full of excuses. Do not help in her substantive way. Let me also suggest that you save all e-mails from her and limit your reply to one e-mail only. Schools have become as dangerous as marriage to young men and you’re going to need a paper trail to protect yourself from her most likely responses.
Finally, your passive-aggressive blue pill friend imposed on your friendship in the hopes this woman will deign to notice him. He’s as much to blame for this situation as the woman wanting to coast on her “golden vagina”. You need to tell him this straight out and also tell him that your continued friendship will depend on him not using you in this manner ever again.
You commented while I was replying to the other guys- so I couldn’t include a response to you in the last post. But, in order of the points you brought up:
1. I was thinking this same thing- she is exhibiting playing the victim and could make claims if she wants….best to play it safe
2. I’m leaning towards terse and minimally helpful. I wasn’t kidding when I said I was busy. Don’t have time to review a 10 page report from her, not to mention the horrendous grammar (as you can see from her e-mail).
3. This is the only e-mail I will ever send her.
4. He didn’t use me- he asked me for my help and I allowed it. He’s a great friend.Isn’t it totally amazing the way a woman has no problem telling you what she WANTS and NEEDS while completely leaving out what’s in it for you – or what she is prepared to do for it??
No response is the best response.
Ask yourself: “Am I compelled to respond to this? Do I even WANT to respond to this?” The reason you’re looking for a response is because you’re first gut reaction to make NO response is the correct one. There is no need to create a response here. “I need” doesn’t make it your JOB to give it to her.
Key isn’t there the risk though that she’ll get angry and pursue action against me?
isn’t there the risk though that she’ll get angry and pursue action against me?
A RISK she gets “angry”? OOooooooo scary. Man, when you make a woman angry you’re doing everything right. Pursue action against you for WHAT? Not allowing her to plagiarize? Make that fraud study herself. “Honey, do your own homework”. So it makes her “angry”. Who f~~~ing CARES.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Do not touch this one. Plagiarism will get you expelled from school.
She can pay for a tutor, either through the school system or a private enterprise. (Ditto getting papers written.)Agreed..DO NOT LET HER COPY ANY OF YOUR WORK!
Politely e-mail her back, suggest she find a tutor, as you are extremely busy with your classes.He didn’t use me- he asked me for my help and I allowed it.
He asked for your help thinking he can use it to get out of her friend zone. It’s still up to you whether that help occurs.
He’s a great friend.
As for being him being a “great friend” with “a good head on his shoulders and who is reliable/trustworthy”, it took him less than a New York minute to drop you into a potential jackpot at the merest hint of pussy. This woman he aimed at you has broadly hinted for help in committing plagiarism and now has your e-mail address which can lead to all sorts of future mischief.
If that’s a great friend, I’d hate to see your enemies.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
Dear girl,
Name of friend did you a splendid favour by referring you to me because I am the best there is in this field. I will be more than willing to help with your classes within the college/university‘s academic honesty policy. My hourly rate is $20 to be paid in advance.
Best regards,
Your name“Gimme a blowjob and I’ll think about it.” – Usually sorts the wheat from the chaff.
Anonymous29Stay the f~~~ away from her even at a risk of upsetting your friend. He will understand what may happen to you if things should go awry.
If he doesn’t, he is not much of a friend.Even if you help and nothing happens be assured that the amount of work she will want from you will increase and it will not stop there.
Soon she may introduce a friend or two who need help as well and you will be in a world of trouble. F~~~ short term popularity if it means long term suffering. Just think about it.Just had a 10-minute talk with my friend
Turns out, she’s a 34year old woman with 2 kids
Turns out, she told him she had one or two conceptual questions about the material (didn’t even mention that she wanted my reports etc)And he condemned what she wrote as well. He told me not to respond to her and that he’s sorry about the misunderstanding….
Ignore her it is!
Anonymous18Turns out, she’s a 34year old woman with 2 kids
Turns out, she told him she had one or two conceptual questionsYour free membership (just like mine) to MGTOW.com has paid off brother. There isn’t a whole lot help a single mother with 2 kids while pursuing academics can afford to pass. Suffice to say she will look for someone else for help.
And what the f~~~ is your 5’7” friend liking a single mother for? Please pass on my message to him to go for cute fat girls. If he doesn’t listen ask him to get a hand job from a hooker with carpal tunnel syndrome and rheumatoid arthritis. That’s what sex with a woman who gave birth to 2 kids would feel like. I know because I dated a single mother of 2 kids. Worst mistake of my life.
Oneforfreedom,
Since you already agreed to help and you don’t want to alienate your friend, here’s what I would do.
I would write back and say:
Dear [whatshername],
I’m happy to answer questions and help you understand core concepts, but it won’t help you learn if I just hand over completed work to you. IF you’d like to set up a time to get together and address specific questions or sticking points, I’m available [insert times available here].
Best regards,
OneforfreedomAnd leave it at that. At that point you’ve done the duty you agreed to, your friend owes you his gratitude, and she will either start actually learning the material and use you as a resource she’s fortunate to have, respecting your time, etc, or (more likely) she’ll bug out.
The point made earlier by iLearn about your friend being toxic might have some merit as well, but I wouldn’t presume to judge.
"Data, I would be delighted to offer any advice I can on understanding women. When I have some, I'll let you know." --Captain Picard,
I know I’m late to the party with this answer but I’d make a copy of it and submit it to her teacher/professor as well as any other influential administrators that she has. You are spot on with the suspicions of plagiarism, lack of note taking and the overall “I’m a victim” mentality. She is 34 years old, 2 kids and if she hasn’t face-planted into the wall yet, she’s close so I bet she was hoping to play the milf/cougar card on your friend and possibly you. I would save every piece of correspondence that you have with this woman and avoid any further contact. Your friend should do the same.
I bet she’s getting the schooling paid for by an ex or the welfare system and is used to getting everything done for her.She's not looking for love. She's looking for someone to finance the lifestyle that SHE thinks SHE deserves.
However, I later backtracked because I remembered how much this class had me stressed before I took it, so I said OK, just for you.
Stop thinking with your dinky…… Give her the wrong notes and homework so she fails, then ignore her. MGTOW
Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive.
Your free membership (just like mine) to MGTOW.com has paid off brother. There isn’t a whole lot help a single mother with 2 kids while pursuing academics can afford to pass. Suffice to say she will look for someone else for help.
And what the f~~~ is your 5’7” friend liking a single mother for? Please pass on my message to him to go for cute fat girls. If he doesn’t listen ask him to get a hand job from a hooker with carpal tunnel syndrome and rheumatoid arthritis. That’s what sex with a woman who gave birth to 2 kids would feel like. I know because I dated a single mother of 2 kids. Worst mistake of my life.
Praise MGTOW!
And he made it clear he doesn’t like her. I asked him point-blank if he has a crush on her. He said nope- he only met her once and she was looking so distressed he asked me if I wanted to help and once I said yes he told her. He’s only met her once as well it turns out!I’m sorry to hear about your experience with a single mother….
Oneforfreedom,
Since you already agreed to help and you don’t want to alienate your friend, here’s what I would do.
I would write back and say:
Dear [whatshername],
I’m happy to answer questions and help you understand core concepts, but it won’t help you learn if I just hand over completed work to you. IF you’d like to set up a time to get together and address specific questions or sticking points, I’m available [insert times available here].
Best regards,
OneforfreedomAnd leave it at that. At that point you’ve done the duty you agreed to, your friend owes you his gratitude, and she will either start actually learning the material and use you as a resource she’s fortunate to have, respecting your time, etc, or (more likely) she’ll bug out.
The point made earlier by iLearn about your friend being toxic might have some merit as well, but I wouldn’t presume to judge.
I like your cordial note template, but I feel the need to clarify something.
Let me be clear- I agreed (to my friend) to provide her with a morale boost over internet (since this course is extremely demoralizing). Encouraging stuff like “it’s not as hard as it seems, you can do it, etc. etc” I never agreed to do anything for her such as providing editing help, helping her understand concepts, etc. My friend thought I agreed to conceptual points which we never mentioned in our communications so I have no idea where that came from either.
I don’t owe her anything. I will not be contacting her anymore.
I know I’m late to the party with this answer but I’d make a copy of it and submit it to her teacher/professor as well as any other influential administrators that she has. You are spot on with the suspicions of plagiarism, lack of note taking and the overall “I’m a victim” mentality. She is 34 years old, 2 kids and if she hasn’t face-planted into the wall yet, she’s close so I bet she was hoping to play the milf/cougar card on your friend and possibly you. I would save every piece of correspondence that you have with this woman and avoid any further contact. Your friend should do the same.
I bet she’s getting the schooling paid for by an ex or the welfare system and is used to getting everything done for her.I’m saving the correspondence and that’s a good tip, but I’m not going to submit it to her prof. I don’t want to risk conflict that may result from doing that. Just ignoring her.
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