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Anonymous3Cause and effect. We all know what it is. We all understand it. We all approach things in life with it in mind. In our blue pill days, when we looked at women as potential life partners, perhaps as girlfriends or wives, when we finally found that one woman whom we thought was the right one, you think cause and effect. You want the effect of her loving you, so you love her. You want her to treat you well, so you treat her well. You want her to be romantic and affectionate toward you, so you’re romantic and affectionate toward her. You want her to be loyal and honest to you, so you’re loyal and honest to her. The list goes on and on.
But the thing I realized was, none of this means anything. It’s a tough red pill to swallow. As men, you know, we always think we’re the cause of everything around us, and we are. Everything around you is there, because a man put it there. You treat others well, with compassion and respect, in return they give you the same. It’s give and take. But with women, the moment you step into their circle, the moment you involve yourself with them, we’re all at their mercy. At any second, they could summon the white knight crusaders on you. Be it false accusations of violence or rape, or outlandish negative fabrications of your character, it doesn’t matter, you are powerless and everything you do is completely meaningless.
This comparison has been made before. Having a woman is like keeping a snake as a pet. You learn to love it. You tell yourself and everybody around you, that snake will never ever bite you. Everybody believe it, especially yourself, there’s no reason not to. You’re doing everything in your power to ensure there’s no reason for the snake to ever want to hurt you. Years and years go by, the snake treats you the same way you treat it, loves you the same way you love it. You think to yourself, as long as you keep on doing what you’re doing, doing everything the right way, remember cause and effect, the effect will always be the same, with the snake loving you back. All is well, until that bitch decides to bite your head clean off, and you’re left there, bloodied and dumbfounded, wondering to yourself, “what the hell did I do wrong?”
The blue pill, gynocentric part of you, will keep on telling you how you are a man, how you need to choose the right woman, how you need to do the right things to her, how you need to earn more money, how you need to take care of her, how everything is on YOU, how YOU are the cause of everything, that if one day, your woman betrays you, it’s YOUR fault because you caused it. But the truth is, chances are, you did nothing wrong. You didn’t cause the snake to bite you. The snake chose to bite you. It is but merely a conscious decision to cause malicious harm, to simply hurt, to create the sight of you suffering and in pain, to satisfy its bloodthirtiness.
When you get with a woman, essentially what you’re doing is, you put a loaded gun in her hand pointing to your head, and you dance around like a monkey for her, tell her every now and then, “Hey, don’t shoot me, I treat you well! I love you! Here’s gift. Don’t shoot me.” That’s it, you’re basically doing nice things for her, begging her not to shoot your face off, nothing more. So why did she decide to blow your brains out then? Why did the snake bite you? Was it because of something you did? Something you didn’t do? Or was it because she just wanted to hurt you? But then there had to be a reason for it right? Who cares. Who. Cares. It’s the question of which came first: Chicken or egg. The fact remains, you signed your life away. You gave yourself up. It’s in her hands now, and she does whatever she wants. That’s the only thing that matters: It’s not up to you anymore.
You don’t call the shots when a woman’s claws are sunk deep inside your flesh. I’m sure there are still men out there, who think their woman is special and are more than willing to put their lives on the line to test it. Hell, who knows, maybe some of them will come out unscathed, every now and then, you hear a “successful” marriage or relationship story. But, did it really have anything to do with the man? Was it really up to him? Or was it completely up to the woman?
I’ve been in several relationships in the past. Never had one longer than a year. One time, my girlfriend that I loved dearly cheated on me. I remember sitting in my home, feeling so angry and resentful, yet deeply saddened at the same time. Staring at the wall, banging myself on the head over and over again, thinking “What did I do? Why did she do that? Why would she cheat on me? What could I have done differently?” I was pointing every finger to myself. I look back now and the answer is simple: Who cares. The better question to ask is: Why did you even put yourself in such a vulnerable position in the first place? Why did you give her so much power over you, to the point where this woman can hurt you so badly, by doing something so trivial in her own life and time, like jerking another man off and sitting on his dick. Why did I do that?
Seriously, why, what exactly did I get? Was it because of the promise of continuous sex? The thought of having family? Her decent 6.5/10 attractiveness? The comfort and companionship? The ever “thought provoking conversations” we were having? I don’t know. Only thing I know is, I never ever want to be in that place again. Don’t ever put yourself in a situation where your well being, especially your deepest, most pure emotions, are determined by the actions of a woman. Because while you may very well be happy and content, none of it is up to you. In knowing so, can you really be that happy and content?
Tungus Khan,
I read every word brother. Cuts deep…very deep. Thank-you for sharing your story. For me, it was a realisation that this is how the world is. No matter how dedicated we are, it is what it is. A wise move to make, like you have done, is to learn from this tough experience and warn other men of it. As men, we all have been conditioned by society (tv, family, friends, media etc). What we need to do is step by step, unlearn what we have learnt and gradually re-build ourselves into stronger and more resilient men. It is a very painful process but a necessary one. That is why having a website like this one is an excellent platform for men to band together and help each other.
A tranquil mind is neither happy nor sad, it is uninfluenced by external conditions.
Don’t ever put yourself in a situation where your well being, especially your deepest, most pure emotions, are determined by the actions of a woman. Because while you may very well be happy and content, none of it is up to you.
There is a reason that dogs are man’s best friend.
Very true post. If your happiness relies on another, then be prepared to be screwed. Just look at whimyn who operate that way: they are never happy because the feelings of happiness are not generated within; it is all outside validation.
Happiness is not something to pursue, it must ensue naturally. My route to happiness is through contentment with my lot in life and my hobbies. Show me a whimyn that can say the same…
Untamed wrote: Quit complaining and Go Your Own Way in whatever manner suits you best.
@ OP Tungus Khan
EXACTLY! they are not trustworthy!
its amazing the precautionary measures of strict non-involvement that we all have to take to avoid being impaled by out-of-control women.
the men are dumb! subjugation of women was RIGHT!
never again will i get involved.
relationship with God and rejection of sin for life. fasting for calm, purity, and deliverance from sex drive.
Peace be with you men, may God protect you all.
Oh yeah, that is my experience of both of my marriages. Absolutely spot on.
The second marriage ‘is’ still a nightmare and even though it feels like the end has finally arrived, the last couple of weeks of the divorce process is fifty times worse than the preceeding 5 months (even though we are now legally divorced and the financial order has been approved and sealed).
As the OP says, the ex-wife still acts as though we’re married. Still (attempting) to make decisions that affect me as though I have no say in matters.
Her latest ‘thing’ is that I remove my name from the bank accounts and the property ‘before’ she gives me the money. This is in complete contradiction to the financial order that clearly states I will relinquish everything once ‘I’ receive the money. She says she didn’t agree to that, even though she signed the financial order before it was sent to the courts and saw that it contained those very same terms. Go figure. 😀
I am sick to death of women and relations~~~s. 🙁
I just keep reminding myself that it will end . . . soon . . . and think back to my state of mind some 6 months previously. I came so close to turning the lights out forever.
It will end soon. It will end soon. It will end . . .
Stay vigilant. They're everywhere.
Although I have never been married your story standing alone would be sufficient to convince any sane man to never have anything to do with c~~~s.
Anonymous43tungus khan…I had these same thoughts sitting in my back yard with a bbq lighter in one hand and a can of mower gas in the other… what did I do wrong, I did everything she wanted, gave everything she wanted, and it is never enough. I was good to her, her family, I put up with her s~~~, her abuse, her violence, and this is how it all ends? I suck at life, and I am out.
I never want to see another man go through a full implosion like I almost did.
well written amigo. you have nailed all of the key points of mgtow.
tungus khan…I had these same thoughts sitting in my back yard with a bbq lighter in one hand and a can of mower gas in the other… what did I do wrong, I did everything she wanted, gave everything she wanted, and it is never enough. I was good to her, her family, I put up with her s~~~, her abuse, her violence, and this is how it all ends? I suck at life, and I am out.
I never want to see another man go through a full implosion like I almost did.
well written amigo. you have nailed all of the key points of mgtow.
My deepests understanding and sympathy brother. How dare these bitches drive us to the darkest places it’s possible to go.
Stay vigilant. They're everywhere.
Great post Tung, I read this earlier and my head still hurts from nodding so much.
what did I do wrong, I did everything she wanted, gave everything she wanted, and it is never enough. I was good to her, her family, I put up with her s~~~, her abuse, her violence, and this is how it all ends?
May – this resounds so much. At least I did less of “what did I do wrong” and more of the “how could she?”.
Its all on them. When a shrink I visited (trying to get my kids in front of – failure…), said to me “it takes two to destroy a relationship”, I replied “No – it takes two to build and maintain a relationship, but only one to destroy it”. And knew that path would lead to nowhere, where it did, after another pile of $ for naught.
I know I need this red pill, and I am glad I found it, but damn does it still taste bitter. How could she? AWALT.
Keep spreading the word brothers.
The realization, that what’s wrong … has nothing to do with you, your actions, your thoughts, or your words, is like being born a second time.
I saw from a very young age, a female sibling drop a longterm or shorterm boyfriend out of the blue, and randomly monkey branch. It puzzled me, because i saw these guys as good guys, who cared deeply about her, and treated her like royalty, and offered everything she could possibly want.
So i learned this lesson, from watching the experience of other men, who were older than me, dating my older sibling. I still went on to be interested in women, before my MGTOW journey started, but i was always very cautious not to get too close, knowing what was in their nature.
In a way, you could say my first red pill, came at about age eleven, and i got a preview of female nature, in a way most boys don’t.
Good subject Tungus.
You don’t call the shots when a woman’s claws are sunk deep inside your flesh. I’m sure there are still men out there, who think their woman is special and are more than willing to put their lives on the line to test it. Hell, who knows, maybe some of them will come out unscathed, every now and then, you hear a “successful” marriage or relationship story. But, did it really have anything to do with the man? Was it really up to him? Or was it completely up to the woman
Right on the money! I could have quoted the whole text! It’s that good 👍 Young mgtow will benefit from it! 🍺👍
You must own a better Crystal ball than IWhat a great post Tungus. Just what I needed to bring me back from my winter slumber.
You see, after the red pill rage subsides, I think there is still a bitterness that remains. That knowledge that you cannot allow yourself to trust anyone or anything fully again, lest you risk putting yourself in the same situations as before.
Finding purpose, meaning and contentment only within yourself is difficult after decades of indoctrination and servitude.
We were conditioned to find meaning and fulfilment in being providers for others, and now we feel (sometimes) that we miss the ball and chain.
But make no mistake about it gentlemen, it is a ball and chain and you will be doomed to a life of servitude and suffering should you choose to go back to the plantation.
Glad to be back!The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!
They always say the third time’s the charm. I had two wives leave me for other men. My third relations~~~ I ran from to get away from an abusive relations~~~. Never again. I guess it’s what life throws at us. I can enjoy my time now, knowing I’ll never be in that predicament again gives me a peace of mind I’ve never had before. Experience truly is the best teacher.
"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."
Anonymous5” As so he was pushed into dissidence – then he became a god and then a leader of his people; only to do it again. The only way to tame the heart is to allow it to egsit, let our men fight and belive or it will be our downfall! ”
– Erik the Red
Tru dat, Tungus
Anonymous5Tru dat, Tungus
Reading dose that to me Sky-O. I keep reading about great men like Jan’s old avatar- KM (even if it’s lucid). Sky-O.. you are that I speak of. You- Hitman, SideCar- It doesn’t stop. Call me a fool but nature is fixing the “human” problem.
Excellent post. There’s a quick and easy answer for anyone who wants to know why I’m not married. “Because I’m an independent guy, and I see no reason to give anyone absolute power over me, let alone some dumb c~~~.”
Don’t kid yourself. When you get married, you give up EVERYTHING. In a heartbeat she can have you arrested for nothing, take everything you own for any reason, and even murder you in the most gruesome, torturous manner without consequence, as long as she claims she “felt threatened.”
The snake analogy was good. It reminds me of this poem, which Trump recited:
Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.
Excellent post!
“Do not give your strength to women, nor your ways to that which destroys kings.” -Proverbs 31:3-
. I was good to her, her family, I put up with her s~~~, her abuse . . . . . I suck at life
@ MAY72020 don’t tell yourself that. You put up with it because you thought it was “the right thing to do”. . . . for better or for worse. THAT’S THE VOW.
You didn’t “suck at life”. It was THE DEAL.
SHE sucked at life and her marriage.
SHE is the failure who didn’t make good on the deal.She can have the monthly payments, but don’t you dare give her your soul or take re fall for her f~~~ups. I won’t permit it watching you blame yourself for her mistakes. You’re paying so you don’t have to feel bad or beat yourself up.
Tiger Woods ex wife was bad in bed and beat him with a golf club. No man every collected $5 for that. Bitch got $250MILLION and what did he do? He feels bad and goes on TV and APOLOGIZES.
It hurt me in my b~~~~ just to watch it.
He’s Tiger f~~~ing Woods. She’s a good for nothing lousy f~~~ing babysitter. If I were worth $600 million and I was ordered to give my useless s~~~ty wife $250M after she slugged me with the tool I used to earn that money….. I would have gone on national television and humiliated her in front of the world and then pulled out my c~~~ and jerked off all over the news cameras, and f~~~ed a busload of horny Russian models right there in front of everyone.
One thing is certain , I would NOT apologize – or feel bad about myself – like I f~~~ed anything up. I would let everyone know that she is a dysfunctional sperm vacuum and she is being paid TO F~~~ OFF to make room for a team of hotter younger tighter bitches who will f~~~ and suck me for FREE.
( Damn that felt good to say. )
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.When a shrink I visited (trying to get my kids in front of – failure…), said to me “it takes two to destroy a relationship”, I replied “No – it takes two to build and maintain a relationship, but only one to destroy it”.
So much truth in that statement.
The answer, is no.
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