It’s not rejection, it’s “success” that made me a MGTOW

[FrederickTheGreatParticipant 235]

First, thank you to everyone who welcomed me to MGTOW.com.

There was a key point I left out of my intro that I thought should constitute a separate topic. People in the blue pill world labor under the misconception that too much rejection creates a MGTOW. If some people joined MGTOW for this reason, I understand. Women have ever-shifting unrealistic and contradictory priorities. Don’t feel bad. Feel good that fate has spared you “success.”
For me, however, rejection had virtually no role in my seeking the MGTOW way except to provide further insight. A woman turning me down for a first or second date maybe stung for a day, but then I’d just move on, knowing that I would find someone else.

The “success” stories paved my road to MGTOW. After I go on some dates — spending my time, money, and energy — SUCCESS(!), a woman now grants me the honor of a relationship. Then I discover the ugly truth. When in a relationship, I treat the woman as my #1 friend, despite my real friends (men) having done far more to deserve my loyalty. She treats me far worse than she did before we dated! She treats me worse than her pet. She contributes nothing to the relationship other than criticism for my efforts. She employs s~~~-tests, all of which I pass with flying colors, but what a pointless and exhausting way to spend my time! Women with whom I am not in a relationship will always treat me better.

When I end the “successful” relationship (because from the perspective of the women I date, THEY find it successful), I feel like the drowning guy who pulls his head out of the water, grateful to once again breathe air.

I think, “Well, I guess I just chose the wrong woman.” NAWALT. So I start again, and it’s the same thing every time. I look at my married friends (the ultimate “success”) and their wives restrict them, criticize them, and play games all the more. Should these men obtain the reprieve of divorce, they will pay dearly for it with loss of resources and time with their children. I read the stories on this website. I take the red pill and learn the truth. Now, I start to feel lucky when I don’t have “success.” It feels like mercy.

Like Curly says in that “City Slickers” clip on this website, seeing the beautiful woman from afar is the best it’s going to get. Being with her is no success. It’s the path to destruction.

I’ll take the true path to success. I’ll take MGTOW.

[HitmanParticipant]

welcome frederick ! thanks ..enjoy !

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

I stopped caring what blue pills think. If the pinnacle of your life is to be treated like a child, lied to, disrespected, and used like a slave, then go for it. You won’t get that “with all due respect” bulls~~~ from me because there is no respect due to such morons. If your view of success is failure, you’re a failure.

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[RoyDalParticipant]

I agree with the previous posts! Welcome twice over.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Anonymous 1]

Welcome Frederick.

And yes, you are correct. I can state that after reading the stories on this website, discussing with women THEMSELVES that are “not like that” (online and offline) and seeing the state of my married friends.

Their definition of success is way diferent than mine.

Just a few days ago a woman was telling me how I should “improve myself” so “women can value me”. That is the ultimate goal for a man, aparently: work hard, not for him, but just so someone else that treat him as disposable will value him… temporarily. Not to mention a friend of mine that in a moment of weakness (or, should I say, sobriety) admited that his life is MISERABLE BECASUSE he is MARRIED.

Does that look like success to you? Yeah, to me neither.

Going Mgtow doesn’t make our life easy, we still have to carry our own weight, but it does make it EASIER by not making us carry extra dead weight.

So, once again, welcome.

And good luck! 🙂

[KeymasterKeymaster]

FrederickTheGreat wrote:

The “success” stories paved my road to MGTOW. After I go on some dates — spending my time, money, and energy — SUCCESS(!), a woman now grants me the honor of a relationship. Then I discover the ugly truth. When in a relationship, I treat the woman as my #1 friend, despite my real friends (men) having done far more to deserve my loyalty. She treats me far worse than she did before we dated! She treats me worse than her pet. She contributes nothing to the relationship other than criticism for my efforts. She employs s~~~-tests, all of which I pass with flying colors, but what a pointless and exhausting way to spend my time! Women with whom I am not in a relationship will always treat me better.

I would share that sentiment and they practically trained me not to care. I was an asshole no matter what I did.

• instead of saying “he’s protective” they’ll say “I’m oppressive”
• instead of saying “he’s smart” they’ll complain “he demeans my intelligence”
• instead of saying “he’s hard-working” they’ll say “he’s obsessed with work”
• instead of saying “he’s confident” they’ll say “he’s an ego-monster”

The bottom, even the positive qualities were spun into a negative. So I figured if she’s gonna treat me like an asshole no matter WHAT I do…. I may as well just go ahead and BE an asshole. It was exactly as if they cultivated the worst qualities, so they could now be “happy” because I gave them plenty to complain about. Eventually I was exhausted.

If you’re proud of your achievements, you’re full of yourself.
If you’re not, you’re not ambitious.

If you ask her to do something she doesn’t enjoy, that’s domination.
If she asks you, it’s a favor.

If you try to keep yourself in shape, you’re vain.
If you don’t, you’re a slob.

If you buy her flowers, you’re after something.
If you don’t, you’re not thoughtful.

If you work too hard there is never any time for her.
If you don’t work enough, you’re a good-for-nothing bum.

… ad nauseam.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[RockmaninoffParticipant 1641]

Anonymous wrote:

Just a few days ago a woman was telling me how I should “improve myself” so “women can value me”.

This paradigm, looking back on it, seems so egregious, but when a man doesn’t know any better, it’s amazing how he can just take it for granted.

Teenage boys are regularly discouraged from pursuing their own individuality because “it won’t get them laid.” PUAs keep talking about “demonstrating value.” I’ve heard from people who work out tell me they do it because “chicks love big muscles.”

And all that shattered with a single, unanswerable question which, the second a man poses it to himself, breaks everything:

“And what is she going to do to demonstrate that she’s good enough for me?”

Silence.

F~~~ it.

". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée

[FrederickTheGreatParticipant 235]

A woman doesn’t do anything to demonstrate that she’s good for you. She doesn’t improve herself for you. They think of themselves as the prize to be attained. Does the gold medal in the Olympics train 18 hours a day for years? No, only the athlete that wants to win it needs to do so.

To add to Keymaster’s excellent list of contradictory female thoughts, here is a really fundamental one:
If you want to be in a relationship, they don’t want it.
If you tell them “OK, fine, forget you,” they suddenly miss you.

Or so they say. As Keymaster pointed out in another thread, they just can’t stand losing a man, even if they didn’t care about him when he was with them. It messes up the whole “They are the grand prize to be obtained” thing. Even better is when men just go MGTOW. Women’s value is reduced to nothing. There are prizes to be attained in this world. Women are not among them.

[MattNYCParticipant 2329]

FrederickTheGreat wrote:

There are prizes to be attained in this world. Women are not among them.

One of the things i noticed in a big way – all that energy i used to spend on pursuing women – redirecting that in to pursuing happiness for *me* – that’s the real prize. Best decision i’ve ever made!

[VarunParticipant 2981]

I’m so glad more and more people are taking the red pil and experiencing the reality. Welcome brother!

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[AttonParticipant]

Welcome and by the sounds of it you are better off than others.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

Rejection from women is like cream for the goose, it makes it easy to go your own way. It is success that is the risky behavior.

It is the woman who seems to accept going your own way that is the risk. She is playing you for all your worth.

Better to hear the truth about how they feel about true equality than have them lie to get into your head.

So yeah, it’s the form of true consent that determines a woman’s real value to a man.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[Wolf redpillmanSpectator 1658]

I agreed its a wasted of time to try to impress theses women ,

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