It's beginning to make sense… Hello fellow MGTOWers

[obZenParticipant 107]

Hi guys,

I’m obZen, from the east coast of the USA. 25, male, and going my own way 🙂

For most of my life I’ve had that persistent, nagging goal of eventually marrying a beautiful girl that I could have kids with, give my undying love to, and have the typical “good life.”

After all the pressure we see in media and society in general it’s not too surprising that I had this desire somewhat forced upon me until I accepted it without question.

I’ll try to keep this short but I feel I need to explain my romantic history with women. I’ve been in two serious long term relationships and 3 short lived flings in between the two LTR.

My first relationship was during high school into freshman year of college (3 years) and one throughout the rest of my undergraduate curriculum (~5 years.) Each breakup was very tough for me and I now can look back and see the incredibly short amount of time it took each woman to “get over me.” I thought I was a pussy for trying to rekindle these relationships after the time, money and emotion I invested into them.

My first LTR cheated on me while away on an internship in Disney World. I knew the reputation the program had and didn’t want her to go. We had just spent a summer together after hs graduation and “love was in the air.” Suddenly we’re miles apart in different universities and I’m a wreck, depressed and not able to focus on my studies properly. She says it’s as tough for her as it is me but it doesn’t seem that way. She goes away to Disney and within a week says “I’m being too clingy and need to give her space”, days later she confesses she let a 30 year park employee f~~~ her. AWALT

After the 2nd relationship initially “ended” I had tried to keep us together and ended up getting friend-zoned. We were both in senior year of completing a BS in physics and now I can see why she friend-zoned me. I had a part time job, a car, more easily grasped and applied new concepts from classes. Also we basically had all the same courses together so there’s that. Looking back I wish I never f~~~ing asked her out lol, probably would have been able to put a lot more effort in school.

She didn’t want to lose her access to buying makeup from the mall 30 minutes away, instant assistance with homework sets, someone who could split a pizza, someone who would f~~~ her (occasionally) and eat her pussy. I was full on beta and not in a good emotional state to be manipulated like this. Things got nasty when she was getting distant and secretive but still wanted all these benefits I could give.

It didn’t make sense for someone to go from being upset that I wanted to watch a Grand Prix one night (while we were dating) because she had to walk from class to her apartment at 7pm (in a very safe campus)…

To, during the friend-zone, getting nasty and angry that I was asking her why she was “outside walking alone” at 10pm and wouldn’t answer her phone… It was clear she was playing around.

I hope I do not sound overly bitter in describing these past experiences. I’m completely over them now. Time really does heal all wounds, I’m in such a better place now physically and mentally. I probably went from a 5 to a 7 or 8 just from losing weight and getting in shape. While I’ve had some setbacks career wise I’m now in a really good place, beginning to become fully financially independent. I have tons of opportunities lying in front of me.

I just thought it was important to give some context of my experience with LTR.

Looking back it’s remarkable how naive and manipulated I was both during and after each relationship. I can only laugh at how un-empathetic and selfish each woman was.

I consider myself lucky that I was raised by two stable parents, I believe my parents love each other and have been faithful in their time together. My closest group of friends all had stable parents raise them. Now however, 3/5 of their parents at this time (early 50s) are showing all the signs of a manipulative bitch simply cucking the life and money out of a once strong man.

One of my friends in particular lost his mother to cancer at a young age. His father has not remarried and not dated again. Call me “romantic” but I really think he found a unicorn and that he has some innate MGTOW philosophy having suffered a loss like that. My memories of the couple were only good, their respect and love for another was clear and present.

Perhaps it’s my parents history and grandparents’ marriage that helped foster this requirement that I needed to settle and create that “good life” with a woman.
Either way, after my experiences and stumbling from Mens Right activism to MGTOW it all makes sense and I’m so glad I found it before I got into another LTR. I don’t want to play the game, I just want to live long and enjoy my life to the fullest.

MGTOW is such a simple, powerful idea. An idea that any man can use to grow and better himself, be healthy and happy and contribute to society if he so wishes.

Thanks for reading.

[bladeParticipant]

Welcome to the brotherhood .

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[Anonymous 18]

Welcome man.

You are now a man building an engine of life. There will be hurdles and set backs along the way but given the talents, abilities, and circumstances in your life – that version of engine will be the best one you could make.

It will be fitted in a badass mgtow car with seat for one and plenty of cargo space for your crafts and hobbies you will accrue over the years.

It is a wise choice. It is a healthy choice. And most importantly, it is a sane choice.

Glad you found us.

[ghostParticipant]

obZen wrote:

Thanks for reading.

Thanks for sharing. Welcome to the forums, obZen.

[Anonymous 6]

Wassup fool!

[NomadicExpatParticipant 1785]

Welcome brother. At 25 you will be tempted relentlessly by your libido. Stay the course and read red pill knowledge daily for strength.

Most importantly, share your struggles. Thats what we are here for.

“No one goes Monk their first time… NO ONE.”

I just rebranded a Matrix quote!

[Max PowerParticipant 2721]

I enjoyed your intro, thank you and welcome!

[obZenParticipant 107]

NomadicExpat wrote:

Welcome brother. At 25 you will be tempted relentlessly by your libido. Stay the course and read red pill knowledge daily for strength.

Most importantly, share your struggles. Thats what we are here for.

“No one goes Monk their first time… NO ONE.”

I just rebranded a Matrix quote!

It’s been tough but I feel monk mode is the best course of action for me.

With how much I’ve turned around my fitness and appearance the last few years I’ve definitely noticed a lot more female attention. Do they think we can’t notice them checking us out? I enjoy the occasional small-talk flirting but I really have no interest in even hooking up. That’s the extent of how much I play the game.

The hookups I’ve dealt with in the past were just not worth the pleasure and I’ve found much more purpose in my life when I stopped chasing pussy.

My goals are so clear and lucid in my mind now. Focus on myself, my health, career & wealth, hobbies, close friends. No dream is impossible now because of the potential of being tied down by a relationship.

[NomadicExpatParticipant 1785]

obZen wrote:

NomadicExpat wrote:

Welcome brother. At 25 you will be tempted relentlessly by your libido. Stay the course and read red pill knowledge daily for strength.

Most importantly, share your struggles. Thats what we are here for.

“No one goes Monk their first time… NO ONE.”

I just rebranded a Matrix quote!

It’s been tough but I feel monk mode is the best course of action for me.

With how much I’ve turned around my fitness and appearance the last few years I’ve definitely noticed a lot more female attention. Do they think we can’t notice them checking us out? I enjoy the occasional small-talk flirting but I really have no interest in even hooking up. That’s the extent of how much I play the game.

The hookups I’ve dealt with in the past were just not worth the pleasure and I’ve found much more purpose in my life when I stopped chasing pussy.

My goals are so clear and lucid in my mind now. Focus on myself, my health, career & wealth, hobbies, close friends. No dream is impossible now because of the potential of being tied down by a relationship.

Totally agree with everything you said.

I also wasnt implyimg not to go Monk, I highly encourage it!

Only that most fail on their first attempt. I have failed the test many times, but am walking the path now.

Thats why I reference the Matrix scene where Neo tries to jump across impossible skyscrapers the first time. All his buddies whisper, “No one makes the first jump the first time… No one. Not even Morpheus.”

To master ones mind and body at such a young age, to avoid the insatiable desires of the female body is to master the matrix.

[IAmJacksBBCParticipant 47]

Welcome to the fold,

As a new member, it feels good to belong to something. I agree with the whole monk thing. I’m doing it as well and I’m a young guy too. It’s hard to fight your temptations and desires since these are your golden reproductive years but I believe that a path with no conflict is a path not worth walking at all.

[obZenParticipant 107]

NomadicExpat wrote:

obZen wrote:

NomadicExpat wrote:

Totally agree with everything you said.

I also wasnt implyimg not to go Monk, I highly encourage it!

Only that most fail on their first attempt. I have failed the test many times, but am walking the path now.

Thats why I reference the Matrix scene where Neo tries to jump across impossible skyscrapers the first time. All his buddies whisper, “No one makes the first jump the first time… No one. Not even Morpheus.”

To master ones mind and body at such a young age, to avoid the insatiable desires of the female body is to master the matrix.

Maybe I will fail, maybe I’ll think I’ve met a unicorn and go back to the blue pill… but from the countless similar stories I’ve read I know how statistically unlikely it is. Hell, I’m beginning to see it happen with my sister’s current partner. I knew that she had moved in with him too quickly and he’s slowly getting the alpha sucked out of him. I wonder how much of his paycheck is left for his savings and hobbies after my sister has convinced him she’s the one.

I’m really liking your analogies with the Matrix. I think it’s time to rewatch it soon!

[obZenParticipant 107]

I messed up the quoting there and now I can’t edit the post lol… Been a while since I used a forum like this. D’oh

[obZenParticipant 107]

IAmJacksBBC wrote:

Welcome to the fold,

As a new member, it feels good to belong to something. I agree with the whole monk thing. I’m doing it as well and I’m a young guy too. It’s hard to fight your temptations and desires since these are your golden reproductive years but I believe that a path with no conflict is a path not worth walking at all.

Have you considered donating sperm? I’m looking into it because I meet many of the prereqs and do like the idea of spreading my genes lol. At the same time the world does not need more children, I don’t know, still conflicted about it.

[IAmJacksBBCParticipant 47]

I got you, you don’t need to if you don’t want to. A man may have been put on this earth to breed but you and I wouldn’t be on this site if we didn’t think otherwise. What he does in life echoes through eternity, don’t need genes for that.

Have you considered donating sperm? I’m looking into it because I meet many of the prereqs and do like the idea of spreading my genes lol. At the same time the world does not need more children, I don’t know, still conflicted about it.

[DocParticipant]

Welcome Obzen.
Have to say – GYOW at 25 is a big move my friend.
Good on you.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[NerdTunnelerParticipant]

Welcome brother…Continue taking the red pill so that you might be free of the plantation…Focus on yourself and dont let anyone dictate what you should do or when you should be happy…Enjoy life brother from its ups and down…

Grow stronger…

I stand with feet apart and let my balls hang free...Manginas dont have balls...See how they stand and sit at the whim of their masters...

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

Welcome to the base camp.

From here on, is all the way up.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

Welcome aboard, obZen. We are honored to have you with us. S M W.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[GregB0Participant]

Welcome and thank you for your introduction, never apologize for explaining yourself and placing your experience into context for readers.

Hopefully you will take advantage of the opinions and advise offer via the forum, as well as share what you care to share. Best

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

[Anonymous 54]

Welcome obZen!!!

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