IT/Programming Industry

[LowKeyParticipant 702]

Hey fellas,

Hope you guys are having an awesome day. I am in the midst of shifting my career, currently learning SQL with under a year (and counting) experience with Java,C# and Python.

Just wondering for the guys out there who works in IT and/or programmers – what would be your best advice to get into the industry? What seems to be trending in the market right now?

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[EekParticipant 1162]

AI, and automation are going to be the big fields for programmers in the coming years. Even if you aren’t interested in the PhD level stuff with AI there will be a lot of programming work “connecting the plumbing” by working on interface APIs and driver libraries. Google open sourced their Tensor Flow AI software on GitHub if that interests you.

Mobile apps will still exist as an industry, but unless you are making games people really don’t download that many phone apps anymore. Most users download less than 1 app a month, and use less than 5 apps regularly. Most users just use Facebook, WhatsApp, Maps, maybe a browser and not much else.

One solution I have if you don’t want to go down the job application rat-race is to find a big, widely used open source project that interests you and start learning that software and work on fixing bugs and submitting fixes. If you do good work you might start to get noticed.

[AttonParticipant]

Java is still popular but going out of style python is better. C# is pretty much platform exclusive and slower than C++ generally, anything you can’t run in Python write in C++. That is really I can suggest being a student I might find myself asking the same question in a few years time.

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[SolidusXParticipant 854]

I don’t know a lot about programing but worked as a project and product manager in the IT world. I saw a lot of people get the boot due to automation of services… why have 3 coders to make some software or website when you can have 1 write the automation to get rid of the other 2. The best options nowadays are to get into automation programming like PLC controllers, robotics programming, or IT project management. ITIL has some good stuff regarding IT project management but is hard to read and study for. To be honest the IT industry is not as hot as it used to be as most things are… well… automated now lol. I switched into trades after working in IT for 10 years as the baby boomers are all retiring now and are leaving a huge gap.

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[LowKeyParticipant 702]

Highly appreciate the inputs guys, I will keep them in mind.

Back with Atton’s suggestion, is it better then to invest more time into learning Python? Quite frankly, Ive set that aside (learning python) since I was under the impression other languages such as Java and C# would be more in demand – Feel free to correct me if Im wrong here.

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[AttonParticipant]

Based on what I know learning the fundamentals of python is a pretty good idea. It’s really popular in the context of system software and its more or less a go to beginners language. Not saying you should specialize on Python, but use it a few times could really help you should you be expected to use it.

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[Anonymous 11]

I do a lot of systems integration work. It’s tough and requires serious diagnostic skills along with a lot of out of the box thinking.

I recently had to turn an email server into an open relay to make some half-assed phone system be able to send voice mails via email. This particular equipment vendor has obviously never heard of SAMBA. I then had to develop another solution to keep the email server from getting abused. My bill added up to more than a phone system that would integrate with Windows Networking would have cost. As if I would complain.

If you’re a Windows admin, it would behoove you to master Powershell too.

[SolidusXParticipant 854]

Anonymous wrote:

I do a lot of systems integration work. It’s tough and requires serious diagnostic skills along with a lot of out of the box thinking.

I recently had to turn an email server into an open relay to make some half-assed phone system be able to send voice mails via email. This particular equipment vendor has obviously never heard of SAMBA. I then had to develop another solution to keep the email server from getting abused. My bill added up to more than a phone system that would integrate with Windows Networking would have cost. As if I would complain.

If you’re a Windows admin, it would behoove you to master Powershell too.

Lol sounds like typical higher up management trying to cram as much as they can on an antiquated system that never really worked to begin with just to save a few bucks and or not having to train people on a new system that would be better. I suffered the same BS working for a data company, it is sure funny how some people who have never touched a server become managers over people that touch servers on daily basis.

Knowledge is power..... Don't waste your brain on bullshit

[TylerDurdenParticipant 27]

Python, Java, PHP, C#, JavaScript and SQL are satured markets.
You will face severe competence for a job. And read again, severe in the worst possible way.

They are just the Perl, Delphi and VisualBasic of the 90’s. See where they are today.
Don’t read trendy IT articles. Don’t read “the 10 most used programming languages”. Nor StackOverflow rankings, they are flawed.

Sorry for the time you’ve invested but mediocre programming language = mediocre job = low salary.

You want to live like a pro, learn any of these: Lisp, AI, R, Smalltalk, Eiffel, Haskell, Project Management, or any DSL which you may like. But please don’t be another industry bitch.

[Anonymous 11]

SolidusX wrote:

Lol sounds like typical higher up management trying to cram as much as they can on an antiquated system that never really worked to begin with just to save a few bucks

They never bothered even consulting us on equipment choice as that vendor(well known) has a product that would integrate properly. They told me to make it work, and I did, securely. They chose the cheapest option, as always. It was the same in the corporate world too.

[LowKeyParticipant 702]

I am not exaggerating when I say that every input in this thread is highly appreciated. Thanks fellas

TylerDurden wrote:

Python, Java, PHP, C#, JavaScript and SQL are satured markets.
You will face severe competence for a job. And read again, severe in the worst possible way.

They are just the Perl, Delphi and VisualBasic of the 90’s. See where they are today.
Don’t read trendy IT articles. Don’t read “the 10 most used programming languages”. Nor StackOverflow rankings, they are flawed.

Sorry for the time you’ve invested but mediocre programming language = mediocre job = low salary.

You want to live like a pro, learn any of these: Lisp, AI, R, Smalltalk, Eiffel, Haskell, Project Management, or any DSL which you may like. But please don’t be another industry bitch.

I actually have my eye on AI. I have done research but all I got so far is Machine Learning which from what I have heard is not really where you wanna be as a beginner but its just a matter of how I can position myself to be in this course of action.

Other than AIs though, what do you guys think of the security sector? Every system has a flaw so I assume that this sector would still be flourishing and would continue to do so – then again, do correct me if I am wrong here.

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